Alternative to Gor

That was easily the funniest damn thing I've ever read on this forum.

Also, this IS designed to be an alternative to Gor. To a degree, that means it needs similar features. Not ALL of them, but a few ideas should be adapted over. For one, symbology is a good idea. Also, the referring to onesself by other than your given name, or in the third person, but not as "This girl" or anything. It would be more to say your own name regarding yourself (though that would get old) or addressing yourself by title.

*pouts* Does this mean I don't get my gold dragon?

Maybe worth borrowing elements from other D/s fiction? Beauty series? Story of O?

Good way to look at it, using SL as the base to avoid a "avatar race" fight.

So as far as a class system goes. Lets start with extremes, Non-mutants and full mutants.

Since we already known what non-mutants would be, we need to establish mutants, a pure radioactive mutation would kind of stifle interaction outside of the city, which means that everyone might just be the "good people" to avoid the boring, empty, 2 people in 2 miles that the wastes are.

Perhaps make it so that some virus (bird flu? lol!) mutated from the radiation and has become an STD that causes tranformations, this is why people are seperatists because they fear infection. There is a vaccine for it but all it prevents is a loss of mental ability.

The non-mutant population thinks as they always do, the mutant population are more animalistic in their mindset and considered dangerous, they'd rut, not make love, they'd kill, they'd act like rabid dogs... hence why they're looked down on, at the same time they've gained health and strength. (this makes it fun to roleplay the "bad" side)

But then this leaves a problem, why would people want them as slave characters?

(to all reading this, I am totally against any real life crossover! *triple underline/underscore*)

You didn't seriously think I wouldn't make a Bestiography that left out the unnatural mutation and adaptation of lizards and birds, did you? .

In case you have not read any of the Dragonriders series, there really were no slaves. Drudges yes but they weren't actually slaves. More like servants. They still had to obey orders but they weren't "owned" in the same sense a slave is. It's something to consider.

Eep so many posts since writing mine!

Well using your own name or title seems like a warrior type thing, cavemanish

Ul-ak strong and fast, Ul-ak is great shimtona! heheh

I loved fallout 2!

Hey!! Call it what it is.... genetic manipulation. And they didn't do it to the birds... just the fire lizards. So there!

I considered that, but I also know that the concept of ownership is something that a lot of people really enjoy, both being owned and not.

Perhaps varied forms....for instance, a level of total enslavement, but also one of indenturement that is not so much ownership as it is to pay a debt or otherwise compensate something. More the servant caste you're addressing, and would not require the license.

Heh, funny you should mention that, I'm currently working on the first book. Not bad so far, but it pissed me off at least once already. Other than that, Thomas is certainly a unique character.

Good thinking... also leave an out for those who may mistakenly choose total enslavement and I think you'll have something that works well for all.

How about this?

Instead of saying yourself or your title, maybe signifying the ownership? For instance, my slave would call herself "Corvus's Pet" or something.

I would say the important thing is don't make it what the culture is all about.

There needs to be a vanilla "marriage" type of relationship too, and it needs to be respect just as much, if not more, than the alternatives. Of course no discrimination over same sex couples.

The third person thing still irks me but if it isn't the standard and it isn't "nearly expected" of slaves roleplaying characters, It wouldn't turn me away from the sim.

(*writes again, and underscores* so long as people stay in character, but I think we all want that to be honest!)

Well I would hope that the licensing has provision there. We don't want to make total slavery "bad mood" escapeable, but instead a choice that holds the chooser responsible.

I think it would be enough, considering ownership requires the owner be licensed by the City-State you could say, that the person entering enslavement have it very clearly on a notecard as to what that is. Also, slaves should be able to report crimes against them to the City-State without fear of reprisal. Which leads into the law itself.

Well I would hope that the licensing has provision there. We don't want to make total slavery "bad mood" escapeable, but instead a choice that holds the chooser responsible.

I think it would be enough, considering ownership requires the owner be licensed by the City-State you could say, that the person entering enslavement have it very clearly on a notecard as to what that is. Also, slaves should be able to report crimes against them to the City-State without fear of reprisal. Which leads into the law itself.

The way out would be through the results of that report: the State reserves the right to declare someone free.

Heh... there aren't enough $L in all of Second Life to make me go anywhere near such a thing!


Besides, a Gor sim is a fairly turnkey franchise like a fast food place, except that you don't need to pay any licencing fees to anybody (I suppose?)

I'm thinking that anyone could do it with little trouble, and I'm surprised there aren't more Gor sims than there are.

Maybe I'm missing something? I've never been to a Gor sim, admittedly.


Anyway, Corvus I like your idea of doing something less... predictable. Good luck!

Oooh and I just want to add.

You've got a lot of potential here, and you can please just as many people as you'll piss off

As long as we stress roleplay and safty, I'd like to be a part of this and help set it up. (I'm a texture artist, specializing in angles and randomizing)

Just a side idea, I know this goes back into the sim and away from the culture but maybe we could avoid vender use, maybe pay 4 of the sims money coin an hour for shopkeepers to run the shops (or whatever worked out to be logical) or allow them to work for an item?

I've got my eyes on someone right now(*waves if she is reading this *), so I wouldnt even take part in the sex part of it. What interests me most is the potential to hold "game" events and the like, and have a roleplay setting with people in it instead of a lot of scripts.

Maybe this is what LL meant by creating jobs?

Add me to your b-list, you're totally on board m8.

I'd like to clarify that if this makes it onto a sim, it'd be GROUP run. I'm a brokeass IRL.

OK, so slavery existant but not a turning point of the culture, though it will need a lot of attention to make sure it doesn't get screwed up. Indenturement as a tier up, which also allows for a lot of bartering and RP with less risk. Focus on it being ROLEPLAY. Predetermined race involvement (let everyone sort out how they want to include themselves once it's set up). Strong focus on the society itself and survival in a post-apoc/fantasy/scifi world. Someone other than Desmond to set up the sim if the system takes off because he's already blowing all his money setting up Caledon. Strong emphasis on the run-down, outside-the-walls life to make playing the "infected" as appealing as living inside the walls. Licensing by the City-State for things like slavery to prevent abuse. Some form of policing system.

What else?

I like this idea. Maybe vendors for small things that don't need attention of any kind, but require a shopkeeper to squat the locations while the store is open. I don't want to alienate people who want to rent space but can't afford to hire someone to squat the spot. I also don't want to make people leave the sim to buy what they want just because a store doesn't have a vendo.

Now, away from the sim, Ci.....hehehe

Corvus... by George! I think you've got it!


Any room for shapeshifters? I do like the wolfish side of me at times (I have been known to raise wolves/wolf-hybrids in RL).


hmmm.... have the choice between "infected" and "noninfected" but also be able to chose human or nonhuman or something inbetween.....
Wow talk about diverse!! Me likes!!

Well I think by default, people without mutation may RP a slight prejudice against those with it.

I think we can include a form of Porpheric Hemophilia for vampirism as a result of the mutations, and something genetic that mutates people into a bestial form either at will or not. However, to add to the RP, a certain social stigma against it could add a certain mystery and subculture. For instance, the rich shopmistress that vanishes for a few days every month, because she dare not expose to polite society that she's become a werewolf.

Edit: Or, by the same token, not. Mutation isn't symmetrical. I think you'll have a lot of unique characters with different forms of mutation.

This is good. I can't afford to hire a shopkeeper and I would have to take time away from the shop to build as I'm sure many others would. However, things could be worked out using barter.

For instance, say the pay would be 10 Ls per hour and the shop owner has an item that is for sale at 50Ls. Instead of paying the person 50Ls for 5 hours work, the shop owner gives the employee the 50L item. I know this won't work for everyone all the time. But for those of us who can't afford to pay it could work at least long enough for us to get a break... or something....

Sorry.. my mind keeps trying to drag me away to all the building possiblities.....

That's genious. Do you have any idea how much this would help out new players to SL in general? Give em the stuff for free that they can't get at freebie posts?

Edit: Headed home from work, gotta do some RL appeasing, try to be back later. In the meantime....BACK TO THE SOCIETY, NOT THE SIM hehehehehe