Alternative to Gor

Well, Gor gets a lot of bad press, and while it is abused, it's still an impressive overall D/s and roleplay system.

Thing is, many people don't want to be a part of Gor but want that sort of system or culture.

Lacking one in SL that I've seen, I'm considering developing one with the help of YOU. We need a new culture for RP. D/s is optional to it, but I'd like to create something unique to SL that people can functionally RP.

The poll is for the overall settings, but please, submit your ideas here.

Edit: I forgot an "other", but if you have one, state so.

Edit: For a general scifi theme, vote for Cyberpunk and Fantasy. I'm going to take the top two and propose a melding of the two once results are in.

How many sims could be used for this? I ask because a 2 faction, 1 warzone type of thing may be pretty unique, but the costs would be horrible.

Let's assume sky is the limit. It's better to come up with a basic idea, then see how you can cram it into sims, than have the sims and try to make an idea match them.


Edit: This is more the design of the system than the implementation.

I stupidly went for Masq, but I'd be just as happy with some Cyberpunk too. Heck, I'd be game for pretty much anything, as long as I didn't have to pay for it

oooo!!! Can we do Dragonriders of Pern?? I wanna be Lessa!


Yes, I'm only teasing a bit. It was the first thing that came to mind. I would love to see something of this nature done though. That is if Anne MacCaffery doesn't object. Or maybe something loosely based on the series of books.
Hey! It's a start!

It's a multi-vote, m8

Crap... I didn't notice that until after I voted....

Werewolves and vampires are cool with me.




How about something scifi?

Let's call that "fantasy" since you know damn well some aliens would be involved ;P

hehehe Dragonriders is scifi/fantasy.

So what I'm getting thus far, looking at our tiny poll, is that a system set in a post-apoc universe, with kind of a mismatch of castelian life with certain technologies that "survived" and medieval construction, with new life like monsters and mutations for humans, along with an associated society, strikes appeal?

Edit: One thing that WILL be included is a school system for D/s. In any of them, in order to become a slaveowner, you would need to be licensed in some way, which requires education and evaluation by a superior of some sort. The certificate will be a no copy/no transfer/no modify item that will be required to be displayed or presentable upon request from however we decide to police it. This gives people a goal, and keeps just every horny shmoe on the planet from taking possession of people and thus ruining their RL in their horny shmoeness. Violation of certain codes could lead to expulsion from the society.

That balances things to keep the slaves from staying out of solid fear. Like many do in a certain system we all know.

...and I might suggest reading this...the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever. Good read about Someone thrown form our world into another. After that it's almost like Lord of the Rings meets Resident Evil.LOL Just no technology involved.

Why is this an alternative? Why not in addition to?

oh and lets remember that the Gorean sims are mostly privately owned islands -- who is going to own and set up all these islands for this new rp world?

I mean no one started a poll to say "hey should we put up gorean sims?" There was interest and so it got started. If people actually wanted something different, seems to me like they would have implemented it by now. And it isn't as if they haven't tried... take Nexus Prime for example. Great build, fantastic place. You'd have thought some great RP would have sprung up around the sim. But it didn't -- damn near everytime I go there its empty. And I'm not talking just a few people empty -- i'm talking totally devoid of anyone but myself.

And there's the elven stuff and I tried to RP there for a bit but every time I went there, there were little to no people there. I was in the group for a while but it was mostly high traffic with people just shootin the shit or begging for money.

A few folks and I had an RP game going for a while based on the Laurell Hamilton books. At the beginning we had great attendance but after a whie it really fizzled out.

I'm just not seeing a lot of interest in RP, per se. I see a lot of interest in GOR. And people like the RP. Maybe its the mix of D/s and RP. I dunno. But really some of the stuff that goes on there sounds kind of fun. I know this one chick who is a slave and there are two different other groups plannng on kidnapping her. Everyone is having a delightful time, all within the confines of Gor. I may not like the world, I may not like the misogyny, but the interest is factual and I see very little evidence that this is true for other types of RP.

Very much support from me on the dragon riders universe, it has aliens, special powers, an enemy, warring factions.

*laughs* and sex in just about every other book

I dunno, the world needs an enemy and it needs it to be pretty original so that people can roleplay them, and so that they can have their own "side of the story"

Tech-organic versus Earth style Tech? World of flesh Vs World of concrete, a battle ground between the two for resources (and this is where nature comes into play, along with nuterals... considering that there would be a middle ground, maybe the battle zone should be controlled with scripts, not actual battle grounds)

Would this world support sex in that no one is ashamed of it / considers it okay, or would it be much like the human world?

If the former, maybe a race of aliens as the main enemy and their reason for being feared is that they are symbiot, no race in their race is original and in fact infected with a virus that seeks to live as long as possible, which means altering their hosts to live long (long enough to be considered abominations) and have obvious physical characteristics ? (all hair and skin turn pitch black and shiny, like the skin of the aliens in their namesakes movie have, bony ridges along their spines? not unattractive though) and it is spread by sex or blood interactions (hense why they wouldnt be accepted, people would fear infection for religious reasons)

Hmmm, furries, faires, whatever, they can all come into play, either as the infected, or as people traveling to "free" the infected (Read that as, attempting to kill their brothers and sisters to free them of the infection?)

Tech could take a page from full metal alchemist, in that magic and technology exsist side by side, or could take a cue from christopher palani, in his world doing something with magic takes just as much effort as it would in real life... throwing boulders could kill the mage from exhaustion, but snapping a vein in the heart would take little to no energy (but there are wards to prevent this kind of attack, they'd have to have more vitality to batter down their defenses to do it... so convient roleplay excuse why it doesnt work)

You addressed the very point. There's no alternative if you like the way Gor works in some ways, but loathe how it works in others. And the Gorean methods of training often addle someone IRL more than a little bit. We're trying to create a system (sim implementation comes later). Once the system is developed, a group can be formed, and a group can decide how to implement it in SL.

Post-apocalyptic London. Hey- haven't I done that before?

I also voted for non-Gorean Utopian society. I like the idea of a simple, idyllic lifestyle, but with less forced slavery and more consensual D/s relationships.

Don't most of these alternatives exist in some manner or another? Or is there not a powerful enough RP element in the existing ones?

Best of luck on whatever you decide to do, be it a private island or a semi-public area.

One thing that occurred to me was actually inspired by Tank Girl.

One or two cities. They build up instead of out. A system where the basic structure is right there, and people move in. Anyone who is familiar at all with the Imperial City in TESblivion knows what I'm talking about. Inside the city is class-based, ranging from utopian to slummish, but even the slums aren't bad. It's when you get out into the world on the otherside of the walls that makes a difference. Bits of the old world here and there, players as those who didn't make it inside. Think "Fallout" if you'v eplayed it.

Every now and again a cart leaves the city to find "infected" who aren't all that bad. Those "imperfect" ones (kitsunes, furries, slightly sick people, etc) are carted back into town and sold at auction. Only licensed owners can be present for the auction.

Just a general concept.

Edit: Inversely, life outside that "nice" life would be vagrants and the "Infected", who refer to the citydwellers as "Symmetrics" (blatantly stolen from KKND back in the day) or "Hiders" because they don't face the difficulty of the wastes. This would be a more lawless culture, but people would be encouraged to do this because they'd have more in teh way of building rights.

I'd personally like to request that it be set up so that you choose your side if there are any opposing sides in the sim, not have it be chosen by wishing to be a human or otherwise but thats mostly selfish.

What I'd suggestion, rather than request, is that there be two races made up by the group. One for each side.

These races will only be sold in sim and WILL have assumed roles as to what side of the "army" their on... of course there are defectors heh, but we could make special markings for it.

If we make it a player Vs evironment type of thing, We could have the "game masters" spawn invaders ala the strings of silver that fell on pern in the dragonrider series, players would eliminate the stuff and gain "world coins" which are no copy/mod scripted coins given out by the GMs as rewards for taking part in the games (which keeps dwell up and attracts attention)

These coins could be used to buy special armor, houses, whatever, in game, you can also give them out as insentives for good roleplay! (big bonus on this concept!)

Finally, you can buy these coins at lets say 100L=1 coin, this way people could donate to the sims AND get something out of it.

I'd also suggest that we really do work on two types of arctitecture/ habitat if we have two sides, and "foreign quarters" these zones are where people teleport into the sim and can shop and stay out of character, the rest of the sims are assumed in character.

I would also like a set of in world computers where you can say something like !stan marsh to it, and it would come up with a history for that character, at any one time the police of each side, and the GMs of each side will have a profile on that character (so in total, 4 reports)

This would sort of give a history from others that you could look at yourself to see how your roleplaying skills are being seen (Am I playing an asshole well enough for people to think I am? for example)

Love your concepts, but lets hit the brakes.

We're talking about the sim again. We need to discuss the dynamics of the society. Societies come before construction can be taken seriously.

I've half a mind to start up a Gor sim myself!

But this would be 'Gor' 1000 years after whatever's in the books, after the revolution. (No, I've never read any of it, but hey, they could have a revolution)

Only women and our furry friends are allowed to issue orders.

Misogyny of any kind will not be tolerated for one second, and anyone caught practising such will have to wear a pink satin tutu for a year, and constantly thereafter address himself as 'this boy'.

Visitors not having kitty ears will be immediately expelled.



Kitties of Gor, anyone?

That's the beautiful part of SL... Nobody could stop me!




note: for the humour-impaired, I am *not* likely to do this.

I think.

Good point.

So lets talk law and order to start with maybe?

So slavery is legal in this city correct? what decides if one is slave-able? What are the crimes in the community?

I like the idea behind "infected" people, but from my side I much prefer a universal set of mutations rather than say, furries, be automatically considered people that live in the waste lands and looked to as slaves, and be covered in a pelt heh (though that does mean a lot of furry/ human hook ups, not too much of a downside in that )

Can we make an in game group dedicated to this discussion? I'd love to sit around in game for a change

Is this post apoc with aliens, or post apoc without? A roleplay excuse for the world being post apoc with aliens, but still being trashed, is to say that whatever ended the last age of man would have caused the atmopshere to become too hostile to get through.

Hey Des, you ARE the first person who came to my mind when I realized everyone would want a full sim, too. You're makin tons o money now, wanna maka some mo?

Hmmm we can put the Goreans and the furries on two sims. Build american weapons for the furries and russian weapons for the gorries and sit back and watch the fireworks. Then we can have a whole diplomatic game called the midbeast peace project.

I do have another request.

The welcome card stresses that it is ROLEPLAY, how dangerous letting the roleplay get to real life can be, and finally, there is no discrimination based on gender.

We'll say someone finally found the goddamn weapons of mass destruction. They were in a rice patty in North Korea, and were discovered when a kid dropped a teddy bear. BOOM.

I'd make an IG group but i'm at work right now. It'll have to wait till tonight. my IM buffer is full by now, just add me to your friends and IM me when you see me pop up.

Let's keep aliens out of it. The "A" word tends to make people run for their cheesygun. Mutation is good, and uniform at that. Also considered just post-apoc SL, because then all races in SL woudl naturally shift over, but that may screw things up.

Let's start with social classes. From this, we can develop the criminal system.