what are your gripes about the new resmod system?

i was actually pondering this the other night, daydreaming about becoming a Linden when it struck me... Cybin Linden??? while i would be ecstatic at attaining such a position, it would take some getting used to such a skin.. i'm so used to Monde that it feels a bit wonky to hear Linden at the other end of my name.

on the other hand... what if it were my alter-ego instead? what if it were The Quirk who was hired?

give it a moment..

there you go... LMAO!!!



(but seriously, i hear you. one who has signed on with LL as an employee has much more at stake than a ResMod. or Greeter.. or Live Help.. etc.. the last name Linden is something not to be taken lightly, nor do i suspect any of us would if given such a position. Torley has a huge load to bear as the first to retain her Resis name and is doing a wonderful job at it! but, i'm sure it's a bit of a different world for her now)

I am thinking of compiling an email with quotes and links to all the very aggregious, repeated, TOS violating posts made by the resmods that we have in mind and sending it to the "SELECTION TEAM."

But, since they were all public posts in made in the forums in the past, do you think it would it be a violation if I were to post them here? That way the entire SL community could look at these nasty, repeated, crass, personal insults posted by the 2 resmods at issue and publicly debate the issue. Maybe even get a meaningful reply that can make sense of this selection decision.

OK so here is the question. Would I get into trouble for posting the past aggregious personal insults that were posted by two resmods, and that were reported at the time by several members, and apparently overlooked by Jeska et al since resmod qualification requires a clean Linden rap sheet. I want an explanation why these two nasties who have violated the CS while posting so blatently were selected as resmods, and are now judging the rest of us.

RESMODS.....???? JESKA????? JESSE??? ROBIN??? ANYONE???

Res Ipsa Loquitor, hrmmm sounds like the kind of tequila I was drinking last night.

But I am staying open minded about the judiciary at this stage. I think Jeska has historically done a WONDERFUL job with the forums (which make this change even more tragic in my mind.)

But just as the ResMod program is a highly emotional subject for us residents, I am sure it's not easy for Jeska either. At this stage she may feel that acknowledging when a resmod incorrectly moves a thread, or has a history of poor forum behavior will be the final cofin nail for this program.

I know Jeska had a dirty job dumped on her lap whed she was faced with cleaning up the forums but some of her decisions, such as 2 resmod selections, I really do question, and its totally fair game to question this.

Tequila!?!?!?! Was it good?

RES IPSA LOQUITOR: Latin phrase that means "the thing speak for itself," otherwise stated in tequila lingo "nuff said!!!"

It's always the "dull" guys that are so sensible.

I have no gripes about it. The forum serves a dual purpose. Some areas are set aside for Linden involved announcements and discussions as well as no reply commercial advertisements. Other areas, such as General, are playgrounds for the masses. They serve no useful purpose other than to entertain the people who enjoy posting and reading and beating each other over the head to prove whatever it is we're all here to prove today.

To abuse report a post is silly, childish and antithetic to the whole atmosphere of a push me push you free-for-all. People who use the feature remind me of six-year-old tattle tales who were always found out in the end and were generally left stuffed into a trash can with a bloody nose.

My opinion doesn't matter much to most people; but a person drops esteem point in my view when they AR or ban someone. Adults handle situations with more dignity and grace than that.

Does "in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Santi Amen" count?

Maybe in some circumstances but there are other posts that are so hostile, or phobic, or nasty, or crude, or hateful that they warrant an AR. I could post some glaring examples here, extracted from real posts made in the recent past, some in fact were made by a couple of members selected to judge us as resmods!!!

I am still waiting for an reply to my question about whether I can quote some abusive hate speech posted by a couple resmods in the past and receive the same inpunity they enjoyed when they made those posts.

I bet if I did post any one of those nasty comments the same resmod who made the post would remove it as abusive now.

This double standard is sickening. Jeska do you hear me? SICKENING. How can anyone respect this process. This showed very poor judgment by the "selection team."

An employee has a higher level of accountability without question but I have to admit I was taken aback with the level of preparedness put forth with this program. I've done my fair share of volunteer work and have never seen a program that didn't provide an orientation or instructional meeting. For pete's sake, my daughter got more instruction on how to sort canned goods for distribution down at the food bank than this.

"You're the lucky winner. Here's a notecard, read it. You start tomorrow. Good luck. Kthxbye."

Cybin, you have stated that you have been involved in conversations concerning this program for awhile however you seem to be the exception rather than the rule. It's unprofessional and unfair to this group to put them out there cold like a bunch of guineau pigs to see how it all falls out.

i would suggest that you do not repost such things as they could be viewed as inciteful, trolling or meant to cause harm to another and as such you could end up being on the short end of the stick because of it.

now, don't get me wrong.. i'm not saying that you don't have a point, because you most likely do. i cannot say for sure, becuase i do not know which posts you are talking about. however, you could very well be completely right about this, in which case.. no, it's not fair and yes, such posts should be considered when deciding on who to grant ResMod status to.

i hadn't previously answered your question because you specifically asked for Linden input, and i agree.. it warrants official input. i can only give you my opinion which counts as much as anyone else's here. whch is to say, it carries weight in meaning, but not the decisive weight of a Linden response.

on the other hand, have you seen any aberrant behaviour from those you are talking about yet? or are they acting fairly decent in their new roles? the past may warrant keeping an eye out, but don't let it poke that eye out. it may bet that they will be able to put aside past actions/reactions and perform their duties satisfactorily.. or maybe not. we shall see. if ANY of the ResMods act out of line, i expect you (and anyone else) to PM Jeska about it and explain in a calm manner what has transpired. i would hope that it would be dealt with accordingly.

Actually, it was mentioned to me back in september of 2004. but i hadn't heard anythign about it since then until everyone else did. so, i really didn't have any inside track at all.. i'm just as out of water as the other fish.

i think the notecard and pertinent forum posts were a decent amount of rules, guidelines, and expectations for ResMod nominees to be able to decide whether they wanted the position and to get a decent grip on what was going on. apparently not perfectly so, but we all had the same general idea.. basically, come help keep the forums groovy.

but yes, it definitely could have been implemented much smoother. *shrug* live and learn.. at least the next round will have a much stronger foundation to work from. (they'll also have a better idea of what they're in for! heheh..)

Ive always thought forums as sort of a garden

you set it up, keep it seperated an keep it pruned and purdy

LL seems to have not done that, they have just lumped a bunch of topics together in 1 area. becuase of this you get alot of cross talk when searching, then the user cant find what they need, which inturn produces thousands of dupe postings and thus making search even more useless.

Meanwhile poor user B comes to the forums expecting a garden of knoledge and is greeted by the black forest of dupe postings, headache, and trolls.

Years later is not the time to look out back and say, what happened to my garden? maby ill volunteer some ppl to slash and burn it back into shape for me. Besides you have let it go on this long (whatever IT is)

i was going to make a comment here about LL not fully using the software... but VB doesnt seem to have things like auto prune (i did a seach yesterday and it dug up a 8month old resolved tech help post) or a language filter, where you would basicly type in all the good parts of a Adam Sandler record and the system atuomaticly removes the offinding words from the post.

so never mind about that last part heh

I think you're being a tad bit utopian there. Most people don't use search or read stickies so no matter what you do there will always be duplicate posts. No amount of moderation will change human nature.

True that

This thread has been flagged for Off-topic statements. Please keep the thread on topic and either carry on the other topics in an different thread or drop it completely. To keep this thread relevant.

Just trying to let you guys know what's up.

Oh for pete's sake. Who's doing all this abuse reporting?

Pretty soon no one will be able to say a dang thing.

coco <------- reports self for being off-topic and non-constructive

Yes, that's what I have always thought. In fact, I stuck to that principle for many months before finally giving in. People had been saying if I wasn't going to use the system, then I couldn't gripe about what all was said to me.

coco <------ reporting self for actually talking

Speaking for myself ...

My gripe is that there was no true grace period to marinate in the thought of being a ResMod. As soon as I got the message I was one, I hoped I'd have a few days to consider if I really wanted to do this. Plus, I'd've like to have a few more days to be up to speed on what exactly I'm supposed to abide by here. As in some training, orientation?

But once I got the message, the announcement was made as well. So I felt a bit stuck. Some folks have gracefully bowed out, but they have the convenient excuse of "I never volunteered." I felt if I backed out, I was making my flakiness a public spectacle.

My other gripe ... I don't believe in censoring threads or moving them without telling people why they were moved. If anything, if a thread has been flagged and the reasons for it being flagged do adhere to the forum guidelines, we should at least jump into the thread and try to steer it back. Give people the heads up, let yourselves self-moderate.

Another gripe ... inconsistency with this PG rubbish. Some threads get flagged, some don't. But both break some guideline in the forums. Thing is, not every post that goes out of bounds is reported. So that's why we have these, this wasn't done before but now it's happening, moments. I feel that if a thread will get warned for swearing, crude imagery, whatever, then all threads with that should be flagged.

But that's not that case. So why implement it on one scenario then not the other? It's hypocritical. Better off to not implement the PG rating at all. The only time I'd see it fit to take out cursing is if it was attacking someone. But casual cursing and images for a laugh ... get over it. We're supposed to be adults here. Take the good with the bad, and the ugly is where moderation should step in.

Anyways, I'm all for being up front with you guys during this moderator stint. If anyone has any questions about any thread or my stance on something, just PM me. I'll even take myself off invisible mode. Just don't ask me about math.

I agree with this.

And on another tangent, most of these things have less to do with what you say than who you are, and it has always been this way.

For example: I would point out that some things I did report, nothing whatsoever was done about, that I am unable to believe that even to this day are still sitting there, not even edited out. But yes ma'am, they are.

Yet Talen's thread gets pulled and he gets an official warning for . . . what? Presumably a personal attack? I didn't see any personal attack there, did anyone else? So why? Why, when horrid things against others have been allowed to stand, despite being reported?

coco

Thank you Lash, I appreciate the heads-us! I will try to steer this boat back on course.

One quick note, I don't know that a few "asides" qualifies a thread as off-topic. Remember that thread categorization is intended to group specific topics to make them easier for users to find. This thread is almost entirely about complaints regarding the resmod system, so would it make sense for a user to look for it in a section intended for "ideas and observations about the real world"? I hope the fate of this thread won't serve to create an even greater impression that criticism of the Resmod system will not be tolerated.

As for gripes regarding the resmod system. What I would LOVE to see is a detailed explaination as to why the Lindens felt this was the best solution. What are the problems and goals the Lindens were facing at the time that prompted this policy. If we know that, I think it would be great to have a constructive discussion about viable alternatives that would satisfy the needs of both the residents AND the Lindens.

Thanks, Lash. And that's another thing that's been bugging the holy hell out of me.

WHERE IS THIS RULE ABOUT PROFANITY? Or does it even say the forums are supposed to be PG anywhere?

All the time I've been here, I've assumed profanity is okay, and never read anything otherwise, and people just keep SAYING that the forums are supposed to be PG, but cursing is a way of life here.

But now, posts are getting pulled due to profanity?

Wouldn't it be a GOOD IDEA to let people know what the RULES are BEFORE sanctioning them for breaking them?

Y'all know how I feel about profanity. It's too aggressive, and it puts those of us who won't use it in print at a decided disadvantage when it comes to dealing with forum bullies. Others aren't as careful and controlled as I am about never saying certain words on these forums REGARDLESS of the invitation and the temptation to almost do so just to even protect one's own dignity. So some people may likely find themselves using worse language here sometimes than they normally would. So I'm a'gin it.

But the main thing is, which is it? Is there a rule or not? Where is the rule? And what exactly is forbidden?

Get the dang rule out there before penalizing people for breaking it!

coco <------ reports self for saying "hell"

From the CS..........
Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).


with that out of the way....
those who know me know that I do a lot of volunteer work in SL. Mentoring, Instructing and Live Help. But I would never volunteer to be a resmod. Why not? To me its simple. It is not in the scope of my knowledge to feel I am in the position to 'moderate' others thoughts. I do not want to have to make decisions about other members of SL.

Well fine. And I have read that at some point. But it is awfully general. And mainly, I have been reading these forums for a year and no such rule has ever applied!

In which case I would say, the LEAST that needs to be done is to make a new list of all the no-no's, specifically, that will get you warned, and post it stickied at the top of every forum! A simple, clear, short, and straight-forward list.

There's some rl legal reason, I'm sure, for the sudden application of a little-known and previously unenforced rule being non-kosher. Cause that is what is going on here.

And while I'm at it, let me say the the buck for ALL of this passes right to the Lindens. The resmods, as far as I have been able to tell, just got this handed to them with little or nothing in the way of information or guidance. They could use a clear, simple, short, and straight-forward list, too.

I remember reading that it is okay to call someone a liar or a troll. Well, what is it NOT okay to call someone? Can you say they are full of s**t? Can you use the f-word? Yes! According to the past.

We need clear rules here, not just for us, but for the resmods, who seem to have been tossed into this without any training or orientation, sink or swim. Again - that is not their fault. That is the LINDEN'S fault.

coco <----- reports self and delivers self fifty lashes with wet noodle for thinking

I saw PG movie last year and the words shit and asshole were in the movie....so what does PG actually stand for anywhere?

PG is defined as Parental Guidance.....I'm 40 years old ....does this mean I have to call my mom up to watch me post here?

Why is PG the standard for a game and forums you have to be an ADULT to take part in?

People sell sex and and pretend to take drugs in SL....even in PG areas....is that PG?

I see a lot of inconsistancy throughout .....Why would the forums be PG when all of us are adults that dont consult their parents about video games?