what are your gripes about the new resmod system?

I just don't like the lack of anonymity and impartiality.

It's a good idea, but I don't think it will work entirely well the way it is now.

Perhaps they could do a few things to increase anonymity and impartiality:

1. ResMods can only mod one thread before they become regular residents again. Once they've contributed, another resident is randomly selected.

1a. The current list of ResMods is entirely anonymous to the community and access to the list is limited within LL.

2. ARs could be anonymized.

3. Threads could be locked as they are now until adjucated instead of moved -- only the current ResMods and selected lindens could view/edit the thread.

4. Threads could be flame-rated anonymously by all users and only threads with high-enough rating can fall under scrutiny of ResMods.

These suggestions are probably no where near perfect, but I think they would certainly regulate the amount of damage that could be done by any selected ResMod who may have motives.

Of course due the criteria it would be trivial for people doing the job to 'lock out' people they didn't particularly like from doing it at a later date..

... think about it


Not that I'll ever have to worrry bout it I proudly don't qualify - and would have told folks to take a long walk off a short plank if I did.

Icon, great post! I think it's good that we attack the problem of the Resident Moderator Program in a constructive way.

So for purposes of clean presentation to the Lindens, we should summarize our gripes into list form. I will start just to get the ball rolling. People should feel free to add, or modify as you see fit. Hopefully by tomorrow we will have a clear list of our concerns:


1. Only a small percentage of those selected were actually volunteers.

2. The Resident Moderator selection process included users who were unaware / uninterested / and inactive (in one or more case, inactive beyond the 3 month requirement!) I submit that enough interest and knowledge in the program should be a prerequisite for the candidates.

3. Some residents expressed grave concern that the Community Team may have selected one or more candidates who have a troubling forum history.

4. The Second Life forum community had no visibility into the selection process. We also had no way to veto if a poor selection was made.

5. The Resident Moderators can view Abuse Reports, but there was no reliable method to protect the person filing the report from public exposure and subsequent retaliation from their target.

6. Resident Moderators are not actually under a signed NDA!!

7. Short of losing their Resident Moderator privileges (which may be of no consequence to a Resident Moderator that never wanted the position in the first place) there are little or no deterrents to prevent a Resident Moderator from abusing their privileges.

8. Since Second Life's position on posting to third party web site is "we do not have jurisdiction" then Resident Moderators can technically post Abuse Report records to third party web sites with impunity. (If this is not the case, where did this special jurisdiction come from?)

9. Given that diciplinary infactions in the forums could result in the loss of our Second Life account and possibly considerable loss of money and livlihood, NO resident moderator should play a role in effecting another resident's diciplinary record.

OOH And Siggy had a good one:
10. Incumbant Resident Moderators could use their privileges to increase the likelihood that an adversary never has a shot at the ResMod position by sullying their diciplinary record though liberal interpreation of the TOS/CS.

I do not feel it is out of place to state that if you feel Jeska cannot handle the situation, then you can email another Linden. [email]TheirName@lindenlab.com[/email]

I would also personally state that you should not think you were "ignored" right off the batt. There is a genuine chance you were lost in a crowd.

yes a lagrge crowd with one porr soul in the middle of it all armed with a whistle and a ban button if she had the chance to catch you

Im not really supporting the Res Mods, but if they are going to have it, they might need more help

If they are quotes that are in the forums, unedited, and public, I personally can't see it as a violation to repost them (many repost quotes in their sig lines). However, it *could* be seen as a personal attack on those individuals per the current TOS. Right or wrong. And of course the quotes alone would not necessarily mean anything (they could be taken out of context, they could be words spoken before a situation was resolved, etc.). You would be on a thin line in some ways, totally justified in others, and no doubt would hurt people in the process. But I cannot see what you want to do as a direct TOS violation. My opinion of course.


And of course, Cybin's earlier post was also well put.

If you um...happen to have a friend...you know...somebody like Alty McAlterton...maybe you could get HIM to post it

I would ask Amy Weebler to post this stuff for you, but she is actually IN FAVOR of the Resident Moderator program!!

yeah, katywiki, no kidding.

All I can say is post away

I agree that it is absolutely ridiculous. If they further crack down on speech to the point of warning people for saying the word shit, it will mark the end of my participation in these forums. No, every word does not need to be a swear word, but we are supposedly all adults and yet can't handle someone swearing? Is it a PG rating you want, or a PC rating?

don't blame LL for your own shortcomings!

my gripe is there isn't enough transparency system for the heirarchy.

the old ranking system:

philip
cory
andrew
anshe
robin
siggy
jeska/sim owners
fic
peons


where do resmods fit into this heirarchy?

Playtoys for the peons?

REALLY?!

*grabs Pendari and plays with her*

Tease!

yea here we go, dont express thought at all please

perfect example of peps fear of resmods and the lack of training? rules? or plain old clairfication

or is that off topic becuse it didnt directly coalate with the last posting?

Oh, no. That would be quite polar, and extreme. Please consider that if no thought was allowed to be expressed on here, ResMods would time travel back and bust a cap in my @$$ a long time ago.

"Training" can come naturally here, simply with time and experience--posting on the SL Forums, and guiding them positively.

Wacky, friendly fun amongst Resis in good spirits is perfectly fine here. If it wasn't, I'd be the first to leave.

i just thought that a "you know whats up post" was a little out of place, now i dont know or even care if that person is a resmod, just seemed ill placed and just a bit of "haha im king now" flavor *shrug*

which however one of the main fears about this, who is king and who is setting the guidelines

on the forums i host i make ppl agree to a TOS for the forums, noone really enforces it but it lays out clear guidelines for whats cool and not cool on my servers

then if someone crosses that line they atleast know where it is ...

Linden Lab sets the guidelines.

For more info, please see the initial ResMod post and other recent posts by Jeska Linden.

Fear is a paralyzer. Hope is a liberator.

No worries... we'll be fine. =^_^=

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

Cat

Yep, and apply liberal amounts of manure.

I was just thinking about katykiwi Moonflower's post where she expressed fear and concern about highlighting some possibly disqualifying information about one or more ResMods.

This shouldn't be a frightening step for any resident! Instead, perhaps Resident Moderator Peer review should become a routine practiced shortly after their selection? If the Community Team that selected the Resident Moderators overlooked disqualifying factors, the actual community itself could highlight this information so that a new ResMod could be selected.

Why don't we include some suggestions too?

none...hasn't really affected me and I don't expect it to in the future.

Absolutely!!

This thread topic is "gripes" and right now the ResMods are hypersensitive to off-topic posts on this subject. So I am doing the best I can to work on this problem well within the rules (I have a spotless record but I have a feeling it's not going to stay that way )

I'm working on alternative suggestions, but at this stage of the game I just want the ResMod program rolled back. Support for this position in the forums, IRC, and private IM has been phenomenal. However if this ends up being a losing battle I will start a new thread that will offer suggestions to make the ResMod system more palatable.

Aside from Talen getting a warning that sounds like it was completely undeserved and quite a head scratcher (I never saw the thread), what have been the negative consequences of this so far? Threads being moved doesn't really strike me as a big deal. What else has happened?