Does anyone feel ...

Ok how bout this.. Count up the amount of people that are being completely unreasonable vs the people who are patient enough to wait and see what happens...


All of US deffinitely do, you are quite right, but do you have the right to be derragatory or demanding, no..


LOL, and you don't think they haven't pulled statistics? I am quite sure they check those.

But I do think the people that are disgustingly rude need to get a grip, it does not make them look like they are the leaders of the boards.. It sadly makes the ones with legtimate concerns fade in the background... I am telling you, it would be best to police our own and get them to act right and than come forward united and with dignity instead of a mob mentality...
I am very serious that those that are being rude are hurting your cause more than anything, cause the Linden's aren't going to listen..

I can't decide if people are to emotional or completley lack any social skills what so ever.

I wasn't aware there had been a poll, neither had anyone said that any forum warnings should damage your in-game account.

I don't think anyone who really thought it through would say that a forum warning for the tiniest little thing should damage your in-game presence.

Especially those of us who have suffered such action unjustifiably, and have been point blank refused to discuss it by Linden Lab.

Lewis

If we don't tell them there is a problem, how will they know it exist?

Let's just say there is a major exploit discovered, that if you do X, Y, Z, touch your toes and shout "yibbit", you get a million L$.

Should we all just sit back, touching our toes and shouting "yibbit"... or let them know there is a problem?

Regardless of the problem, we need to let Linden Lab know, otherwise they can't take action, and more importantly, they can't say "we didn't know". When they are aware of an issue, they have to act. It's in their interests - be it for the security of their game, or keeping their paying customers happy.

Lewis

Sounds like forum zen. "If someone has opinion but it wasn't subject of forum poll or a post, does it still exist?"

To clarify, i'd guess it's a case of taking into consideration current policy (which has been established for whatever reason) and the recent feedback, and adjusting said policy to middle ground between these. Or something like that.

Hmm, let me put it this another way.. If you have a legitimate concern that is not unreasonable that it should be voiced. As long as you do it with a sense of decensy.. But if you act like an ass you are going to be treated like an ass.. And there SEEMS to be alot of ppl acting like asses and they WILL drown out those that are reasonable.

The lack of loyalty may dismay you, but it certainly shouldn't *surprise* you....

The "explosive growth leading to bad service" argument simply doesn't fit here. I was personally told over a year ago by LL's senior management that they were (unofficially) expecting to have 1,000,000 users by the end of 2006. If they could predict that growth in early 2005 (they've been crowing about their exponential growth for ages), then why couldn't they *prepare* for it? They presumably *knew* somewhat in advance that they would be opening up the registration system. Wouldn't it have made sense to have started making preparations for an increased customer service load at that point?

If they want to claim "we care and we're trying our very best", that's their prerogative. However, we are under no obligation to believe them. And, in fact, doubts have lingered for long enough that any credit they may have earned in the past has long since been squandered.

The hell it's in my head.

coco

You talking about certain resmods there?

And if LL can't write and make code in a week, then I suggest they stop INFLICTING it on us on a weekly basis.

coco

You do understand that it took longer than a week to write the updates?

If so, it didn't take longer than a week (often less) to test them.

coco

I am talking about residents...

How bout everyone stops griping about things and they wont do any weekly basis upgrades to help keep the brats happy....

The brats?

coco

yes people who feel justified in acting like an ass or a petulant child... and their opnion is the only one..

Well, can you then tell specifically what in the reply you got made you feel so terribly offended that it made you scream with caps and exclamation marks? Being told that while resmods cannot change the rules, the Lindens took into consideration both points of view and arrived to some middle ground solution... by the person with was able to tell you that because they happen to be in position that equips them with that knowledge..? o.O;

The rule linking forum violations with grid access really needs to be cleaned up, and done so soon. If a forum post somehow affects the grid (i.e., posting exploits before they are closed, threatening to grief in game, etc) then under those limited circumstances, I would support the linkage rule. However, the current system is a time bomb waiting to go off.

What we have now are volunteer player - moderators who can issue TOS warnings to forum posters without telling the players what post caused the violation or how it violated TOS, which can in turn result in a suspension or even a ban off the grid. Granted, this is the worst case and so far seems extremely rare, but its more about the ability to do that rather than the actual use.

Even if the mods are correct 100% of the time in their decisions, the rest of the players will not percieve that. But since mods are humans, they will make unintentional mistakes. And if a mod ever has a personal agenda or gets disgusted and decides they have an axe to grind, the result will not be pretty.

A better approach would be to change the focus of the mods from having a primary goal of enforcing the TOS to helping borderline posters stay within the TOS and flesh out the details on some of the cryptic posts. It will be impossible to ever reach a consensus, but being able to follow the train of thought of someone you don't agree with is the way to have more meaningful discussions.

Are you saying Cristiano is a griefer?

*boggling*

For public testing, absolutely. For LL in house testing, it was far longer.

I'm curious though, how long you think a new version should be up on the preview grid, and how to deal with those who complain they are here to play SL and not spend their time testing the preview version.

Perhaps LL could offer bug awards to players who identify bugs and exploits in the preview. That would give a lot of players something productive to do and a way to earn some in game cash if they so chose.

Maybe it's just taking off?

When I referred to a 'crossroads', I don't think they had been reached in 2004, although things started to go wrong round about that time. But I think that now, in July 2006, we have reached a point of no return. That unless something fairly drastic is done, Linden Labs will completely lose the trust of its customers, and Second Life will begin the slide into something that will continue, but which will be only a pathetic shadow of what it might have been.

Read the post.

coco

P.S. And by the way, I use caps and exclamation points to emphasize words and to communicate intensity, just as I would while speaking aloud and just as they are intended. And you sure aren't going to get me to stop using them appropriately because your netspeak tells you they are no longer part of the English language.

P.S. I see it now says "weighed into my suggestions." I don't believe it said that when I first read the post.

I think that's a fantastic idea!

coco

Cristiano is far too subtle to be labeled a common immature griefer.

Crissaegrim is correct; the crossroads were reached and clearly identified in 2004 when LL chose their path. It's all steeped in the mysticism of innovative management and communication techniques which is good as it prolongs the confusion of the masses and extends the life of the project.

I've often said that the world of Second Life will survive for many years as an ongoing freeforall fun box providing loads of enjoyment to a great many people. Now I'm beginning to think that the technology is going to suddenly collapse and the whole thing will just end. Surely someone will pick up (purchase) the pieces and license the software to organizations that iwll put it to good use in reasonably sized grids that support the specific needs of given populations.

I agree that certain serious violations on the forums - such as detailing exploits - should be linked, but simply for getting a bit heated on an argument between two consenting adults? Definitely not.

As for it "being a time bomb waiting to go off", it's already gone off both for me and Cristiano, and countless others. This what you've experienced recently is the fallout, and hopefully something will be done before it happens again.

Lewis

I have no reason to believe SL will close in the near - to - midterm future.

Look at There.

Still up and running.