Does anyone feel ...

Is it the time of year or something? I just checked out the Activeworlds newsgroup and saw the following post:


With the advent of 4.1 several peeps in the community have gotten banned,
with no proper explanation from the powers that be. Only a copy of the TOS
being emailed back to them to "justify" the banning. Just for posting this
I'm probably gonna be next but I think it's time this situation is properly
addressed. Thoughts anybody?


Very odd

Ok, I just went to the main page and it list that there are 357,775 residents of SL at this time.

Looking around the forums I see a few dozen residents talking about how SL is dieing and about how unhappy "everyone" is.

Do the math and tell me if you really think LL is going to change their business model over what is said in the forums?

Way too self-important. Leave if you want. Other content creators will take your place and your L$.

To call LL management corrupt is rediculous. Almost as rediculous as your assertion that "ditching you" will result in SL becoming another .com.

Get ahold of yourself man. Read what you wrote. Its way over the top - even for the so-called FIC.

Others will rise to the occasion and replace them.

Everyone wants a piece of the L$ million dollar giveaway.

Sorry, I must have missed the announcement for that giveaway.

In-world business, man.

People are just waiting for the opportunity to step up into established CC's places and grab their sales.

The $1,000 giveaway?

(I forget - you're RBD's alt, aren't you?)

Don't worry, Ordinal. There's more than one clown in that circus.

Why must somebody always be someone elses alt?

There isn't just one person who disagrees with you, Ordinal. Deal with it.

There are loads of people who disagree with me, but I'm sure you said whose alt you were, I just can't remember, and it bothers me when I can't remember these things. Oh well, it doesn't matter really.

In my mind there is one solution:
Wipe.
SL needs to start fresh. We need a new grid, plain and simple. LL should offer a transfer credits for your created items, and start a new grid v2. They should take their time, stabilize and possibly rewrite the sim software, integrate and bugfix all the cool features they love, and start anew, knowing what worked and didn't in v1.

I agree that civility should generally be the order of the day. However, if you have a growing number of formerly-loyal customers becoming belligerent and highly critical of your (lack of) service, that should tell you that you're doing something wrong.

Maybe the staff needs more training, or maybe there is a company-wide culture that considers users as boneheads. Either way, it is causing alienation among those who had been the company's biggest supporters, and those upon whose backs much of SL was built.

Does anyone feel that some people don't actually have anything to say about the Second Life virtual environment simulation system, but instead just get off on posting descriptions of imagery about facsists and jackboots and stuff like that?

I'll agree with you 50% on that. It is disturbing to see older players so critical of LL and where SL is going. However, I've seen the same players always assume the absolute worst of LL for any decision they make too, which unfortunatly weakens their arguments.

First, get rid of the rule that says if you get a suspension or ban from the forums, you get a suspension or ban from the game itself.

coco

Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but if a company grows to fast to quickly, the clients will suffer.. Its just the law of the jungle :/ Many companies have fallen because of this.

But since Second Life does not have real competition it doesn't really matter at this time, the amount of people that leave will be small comparatively to the amount who are here and the amount that choose to sign up after having a freebie account.

We are a media driven society, there are quite a bit of adds out there about Second Life, so they will be building a larger client base.. But on the downside, it'll give others the idea to make a like product..

(gawd im getting long winded)

Concerning "customer service", have any of you called Dell, AOL, your local ip providor, your local government? meh its all the same across the board.. They want to spend more time on the product and less time addressing issues that might be real or imagined..

Linden posts are in orange. The LLab blogs were recently rolled into one huge uber-blog (http://blog.secondlife.com/), making it one a one-stop shop for community discourse. IT's also linked in the forum.

A newbie forum would be good, but then, the forums here won't last much longer anyway. Time for residents to pick up the slack, as usual.



Sounds like Live help to me.

NO.

You cannot slip that one past like it is a done deal, an obvious thing to accept, NOT up for discussion.

A ban from the forum IS a punishment, and a just one for forum transgressions.

Remove the rule that ties forum punishments to in-game punishments. I don't have time or energy to explain yet again what all is so very wrong with that rule, but maybe someone else will step in and do it for me.

There IS no communication, and there IS no discussion, when something is so important is just taken right off the table for discussion, as you did here.

coco

You mean like Cristiano has always given respect?

This thread is starting to make me mad.

coco

I auto agreed with this one, than I thought on it a bit more (oh noes), is it possible that they were banned from the forum and the game because what they were discussing effected in game as well as the forums?

SL has been at a crossroads since I got here. It's just different crossroads.

First it was near-bankruptcy. Then it was land tier. Then it was overt commercialism. Then it was co-opting resident businesses. Then it was texture theft.

Now it's general incompitence.

This, too, shall pass.

No. The rule is that if you are suspended/banned from the forums (for whatever reason), you are also banned from SL itself. Full Stop.

hmmm... it seems excessive, but it is their software..

Lindens have their own colour, yes, but can you see in what thread they posted at a glance? no. I am talking about markers in the title, or around the title, like orange bands, or a star, or whatever Linden fancies, to mark thread which have got a Linden reply.

hope that clarified what i meant.

We have always been at the cross roads; just now we are considering a different path; which ever path we choose, we will always be at a cross roads.

There are some really good ideas sprinkled though out this thread. We have to remain objective and keep our eyes on the goal; we cannot get bogged down in disputes. This thread has to be sucessful.



This is more of a social issue not a mechanical issue. Better descriptions are a good thing. At the ResMod side of the issue we can improve (the flip side is, nobody likes to be singled out in public).



Sounds like a good idea but could you provide more details? remember it needs to scale.


Its an interesting Idea, though I fear most people just won't care enough to mute residents. See my next responce for my thoughs on this suggestion.

This might not have the desired affect or maybe it would. This would likely result in more people being banned from the forums for repeat offenses in the long term. This effect would probably be good for the community.

In the spirt of Coco's & Chance's posts; how about this: An intermediate disiplinary faze where the user isn't able to start threads and can only comment on threads; thier posts automaticly become half-hidden as Chance suggests. I like the idea of hiding offending posts behind a roll bar. If the rollbar had a few icons that could be clicked for why a post was moderated (Like the no-build, no-script, no-fly icons); it would make things alot easier. These icons would also be visible even if the post hadn't been rolled; as a way to indicate that the post had been reviewed. This sort of thing would lend itself to dispell (the myth of) favoritism (would also help keep track of abuses at a forum level "this person has 200 abusive posts (15%)".



I suggests two or three sentances per topic; one sentance is tough to explain everything.


Not a bad idea.

Its summer, schools are out.