Private Sim Owners Threatened For Playing Rap Music Possible TOS?

I'm anti racist in all forms. For total equality. I find it offensive.

Personaly, I dislike Rap Music for the Most part (Not a hip-Hop fan either).

Having said that, I've been to Los Altos several times, and i Rather like it there. It is a Private Sim.
It's a Mature Sim.
and most Importantly,
The Music is One of the defining features of that Environment. Far from being shocked by it, I Fully EXPECT it in an environment like Los Altos. It's just Purile to ACT Shocked at it's presence in a reproduction of an Inner City Environment.

I think that Linden you spoke to Hadn't had his quota of Coffee that Morning. I Don't think LL is going to start Monitoring ALL the Music played in SL, and Enforcing a Censor List. the Job would be Too Large, and it would alienate Too large a section of their players. NOT something you want to do in a Business that is Planning for growth.

"I May not agree with what you say, but i will Defend unto Death your right to Say it."
(Sorry, I forget to whom this quote is attributed)

Angel.

interesting comment ...


i wont ask this of you ...

but as for me ... i am not against racism being depicted in art ...

that would include music, paintings, film, poetry, literature, theatre, dance etc ...
as well as the memorabilia of racism ...

its a legitimate form of expressing on views without resorting to violence
its also a way of informing people of one culture how another culture feels

i know i am offering an oversimplified and brief opinion here ...
but i hope you are able enuf to get my drift ...

and i could go on and on about this ...
the significance of keeping the horrors of racism alive in all cultures
and in all art as a reminder of the past is very important to the futur.

there are people who want to sweep racist and genocide history under the rug
as if it never existed, while others want constant reminders of them.

for example ... i was told by a black friend that he wished
that the movies Birth of a Nation, Al Jolson in blackface, and Amos & Andy
would be banned. He went on to say that the little statues of Blacks
from the 1920's should be banned too, because they stereotyped blacks
at a time when racism was rampant in America.

I said to him i thought those representations are a part of Black and White Culture ...
as much as they are part of America's history and shouldnt be banned.

by contrast American Indians and Jews never stop the reminders of
their own holocausts ... and i applaud that ...

but at the same time ... some countries like Japan and Turkey
refuse to acknowledge their acts of genocide ... and they are not the only ones ...
now we have had Bosnia & Al Qaida ... some would even claim the US guilty too.

Nevertheless ...
most art of this type is shocking and upsetting to many people
no matter what side they are on ... even when its controversial Religious Art.

i choose that racism in art & culture should be depicted for arts sake
and for the sake of human understanding ...

its the reactionaries who cry foul to these kinds of depictions in various artforms
that i worry about, just as much as i worry about the bigots and extremists
who are willing to take matters into their own hands through violence ...

yea i worry about someone who is too sensitive to hear the word "cracker"
when his culture used the word "nigger" as a tool of dehumanising
and enslavement for over 300 years


so, when it does come down to Rap for example ...
some of it i find disturbing and offensive ...
but nevertheless ... it is art ... and it should be listened to and understood

what would make racism in art irresponsible would be if it were
fostered by any Government, or by any Group as a call to hatred or violence
against others ... similarly as Hitler used it against Jews, Mao against his people,
and White supremacists use against anyone they hate at the moment.


i mention all this, becoz racism in art is a form of art that i would call
"permissive racism", that you might even agree with

i know i do ... but only with the understandings and qualifications
as i stated above ...

so please dont mis-interpret my context and meaning ...


*´¨`·.¸¸.*Arsenic



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Bullsh*t!

If I wandered into a sim that plays music like this all day, I might consider filing AR --- not for the racist lyrics but for simply making my ears bleed

Rap offends me because its SHITE!

Arsenic - I can see legitimate social awareness art.


Now personally, I think the c just fell off 'crap' to give us rap for the most part (there are exceptions) but I'm not the one who defines what is enjoyable to others.

Ridiculous. If a linden told me that, I would immediately contact LL or try to IM one of the better known lindens to get an answer. If that were true, then we are all in violation of the community TOS (oh noes!) and better start quivering. I'm very sorry this prude got to you, but I doubt you have anything to worry about.

Never forget ...

the mainstream of American Musical Culture was born

on the backs of Racism and Slavery...

on the backs of the African American


gospel

ragtime

jazz

blues

rhythm and blues

rock and roll

soul

funk

disco

reggae

hip hop

and now rap


American Musical Culture was not brought to this continent
by the White Ancestors aboard the Mayflower who played
the bagpipe and the flute

it was brought to America by the black man, woman and their children
from sub-Saharan Africa and their ancestors

back then ... probably plenty of Whites called all that music "SHITE" too ...

but that didnt stop elvis presley or bill haley or janis joplin or
jimi hendriks or nick cave or alter-ego Slim Shady from crossing over


isnt it ironic ... that the corrupt United States Government
is still run by the White ancestors of the Mayflower
when the vast majority of people in American Culture,
regardless of their heritage, thrive on the rhythms, sweat,
hopes and dreams, AND THE INJUSTICES of past and modern African Culture ...


BETTAS YA GET A GRIP!!! ... heh



`·.¸·:·Arsenic





and thanx for your comment Jonas ...



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...they should just be electrocuted through their internet connection and mouse. if such a thing were possible. maybe after "Stab some idiot in the face with a fork via the internet" technology...god I could really use that one some days...

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as if now the humiliation and degradation of women
is a fundamental HUMAN RIGHT on Second Life ...

(or would it be more appropriate in Second Life's Environment,
to instead use the term "AVATARIAN RIGHT" ...


that no one AVATAR has the moral right to interfere
with another AVATAR"S decision to degrade another AVATAR ...
or to be humiliated and degraded by an AVATAR.



its kinda laffable when you think about it ...
that if one refers to AVATARIAN RIGHTS, MORALITY & ETHICS,
it takes the moral and ethical "HUMAN" equation out of it

humans are a real living creature ... avatars are merely their fictional representations


tho lest we forget ...
that of course it is ok when the degradation is
consentual by both of the parties involved,
no matter whether you call the parties involved ...
HUMANS or AVATARS

real or fictional ...

so it does bring up the issue ...
do humans have less rights of moral and ethical choices
than their fictional avatarian counterparts ...
or do they have the same equal rights of moral and eithical choices?


¸·:·´Arsenic


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Looks like you read bash.org ^_^

So, I can't play my NWA or Ice Cube songs where they rag on Jews? Man, and I was going to have early 90's hardcore rap festival too. Gotta scrap those plans now.

-Pall

im going to play a song that says, "i hate everyone!!"

so everyone can be included and not feel left out

Private Sim -- easy fix ban his ass from the island.

Regardless of what the music is about:

1. The music is streamed from an external server (not associated with LL) to the listeners computer (LL has no way to constantly monitor the feeds, and they could be changed at any time). It's like streaming anything movies, music, pr0n... etc! --- At no time does the music stream pass through any LL servers --

2. The way the SL client is current set, you need to specifically press play to play music. Default is always off with an option to turn on.

3. Mature and private sim.

The only thing stored on LL property is probably a URL to the music stream.

Exactly, our rights only extend to government actions, not private businesses. For example, the U.S. government cannot discriminate against people based on race, religion, or gender. Private businesses, on the other hand, are perfectly within their legal rights to do so. If the government said "Sorry, we can't help you because you're black" it would be a violation of your civil rights as guaranteed under the Constitution. However, your local department store, as a private business, is allowed to say "Sorry, we don't serve black people here" (just as a local landlord would be free to refuse to rent to Jewish people or hispanics). Your civil liberties apply ONLY in regards to government action.

-Pall

Oh what country do you live in? If you said Japan I would agree with you. There is a law against discrimination but no penality. The United States is a very different matter indeed. You can not discriminate in housing, shopping, dinning or even club membership. You risk getting taken to court and perhaps even getting thrown in jail. If I did such a deed the powers to be would get the Mt Fuji weather station reopened and have me assigned to it! Would they fire me ah no way but I would be in that station or other place of excile or risk not having another job in Japan ever!

thats all very well but Im Irish

It is very obvious you know shite about the law and court decisions pertinent to civil rights. Your statement could only be more wrong if followed by "and that's why Gerald Ford will be a 2 term president."




Conas Ta Tu?

Well, over here it's a cylindrical object made from shiny coloured paper and cardboard, with flares at both ends, and when two people pull it, it makes a cracking sound, and drops out a cheap toy and usually a weird motto.

If someone called me one of those I would be bemused rather than insulted.

You must not live in the US... seriously.. Cause you can NOT discriminate against someone by race color age or creed. If I am polka dotted and I attempted to rent a house from you and you refused me because of this and I could prove it, your ass is grass. Same with store or whatever..

Wow, really? Well, then that must mean that civil rights apply to private businesses *too* in the U.S.--that they can't ignore your civil rights just because they're not government agencies.

Remind me, as I'm not too familiar with your U.S. Constitution, is freedom of speech a civil right?

-Pall

Well "freedom of speech" is not the freedom to say stupid things. A well used example of this is it is illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded theater or other such thing that might get people hurt. Also stupid jokes at airports or on planes.

Yes civil rights apply across the board in the U.S. From reading what you typed, (just to be sure i hadn't gotten it wrong) you attempted to say the U.S. civil rights do not apply to private businesses just to the goverment agencies. I stated to you that is incorrect.
So now you want to talk about freedoom of speech?
you like me don't u



But freedoom of speech is a constitutional right.