Private Sim Owners Threatened For Playing Rap Music Possible TOS?

Easy fix now. use the new feature and keep those free accounts out of your land. Most of the free accounts seem to be people under 18 years old and arn't supposed to be here anyways Or are alt accounts.

I Love Rap, So-WORD-

STICK UP ASS DISEASE.....there is a few ppl on the forums with that!






*you know who you are*

I personally think you should just change the stream to Radio Disney and make everyone happy..Enough Said! Just kidding!!! I think you should have the right to play whatever music you like when you want to hear it. It's your sim, do with it as you see fit. If someone is offended by the music it's their fault for having music turned on. This always makes me so mad, when I hear things like this in RL too. Just because a Heavy Metal song uses the word suicide in it, doesn't mean it's a song about suicide. The same goes for Rap music. Just because the "N" word is used, doesn't mean that the singer means it in a bad way. That's just my feelings on this. Play what you like!!

Next they'll go to an airport and complain about the noise of the aircraft taking off and landing. Such incredible stupidity boggles the mind lol

I couldn't care less if someone called me a 'cracker' or a white ass.

Since english isn't my native...so if you say 'cracker' to me...I would think that you're saying 'cookie' to me.

As for white ass...I don't mind.

I look gothic irl...one of my irl friends even asked me if I glow when i stand onder a black light.
I didn't feel offended by it.

I've played with a black AV before...and bumped into people who called me a 'n...r bitch'
I don't care...cause I just know the people calling me names and really mean it...they're just jaleous.

I have been called many names in my life...but for some reason I don't seem to take any of them seriously and I laugh when people call me names.
And the more vulgair the names...the more fun i'm having.

That's kinda what i'm doing with my bf irl now.
We call each other names and we laugh.

I've had white friends use this argument. I've always told them that they must want to call someone a n***er pretty badly to even say such a thing. And then asked them why this is.

Hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong with your interpretation of the 1st Amendement of the US Constitution.

The so called "Freedom of Speech" is quite limited in fact. Your freedom is speech is only fully protected against Governmental censorship. You have no such rights on private land or with privately owned "things".

For example; I am within my legal rights to go stand in a public place, such as a park, the public sidewalk, the Arcade in Washington D.C., etc., and say anything I want. That right it protected.

However, should I step off those public grounds, say, onto the porch of a citizen, the stoop of a business owner, an Internet forum owned by a game company, a Private High School, a Church/Temple, etc., your parents house, all rights to speak your mind are subject to the owner of that property; virtual or otherwise.

Second Life, as a game, as no Constitution, but it does have the TOS. Those TOS state that I am allowed to ban anybody from my land for any reason. Censoring another persons speech falls into that category; so long as they are on your land.

As to the OP's topic, you are on Mature land. You can do what you wish and listen to whatever music you wish. If they worst complaint they have is that they heard a few "bad words" in a rap song, then they have not visited the right places in SL.

I don't think there's much of a problem with that personally. I don't want to hear it myself and I'll go out of my way to avoid it, but that's just a matter of personal taste

But was this the basis of the complaint? I can think of many other reasons why someone might object to a particular rap song beyond the use of the 'n-word'. Perhaps it was for one of these reasons?

Seems to me that this is just another attempt by a member of the moral fun police to censor our lives for our own protection! Tolerance is the true price of freedom!! Your right should always extend up to the point at with they start effecting someone elses. If your in a sl "red light district" i.e. mature rated sim then deal with the content there or leave. Morality can not be legislated, it is a choice!!! I do my praying in strip bars.....don't tell me what to do in my church and I won't tell you what to do in yours. Remember if you can be tolerant of other or at least respect their right to pursue whatever form of happiness they enjoy maybe, just maybe they'll be tolerant of your choices aswell.

Just my opinion I could be wrong....

Its a private sim. YOu can do whatever you want in your Private sim.

Figures...

Thank you for telling us the republican opinion.

I also replied here to Smerk's double-posted question: /139/ee/119980/1.html

Hi Wrom!



Yes, there's a training procedure for new Liaisons, as well as many reminders and reinforcement for those who've been Liaisoning for awhile. It's formal but fun and thorough. There's a "shadowing" process early on in a new Liaison's growth where they learn from the more experienced senior Liaisons. So yup, what you refer to is right. You can ask Char or Mick Linden, Liaison Supervisors, for more details.

If you actually witnessed a disturbing incident by a Liaison firsthand (as opposed to, "heard it from someone", then don't hesitate to contact Char or Mick with the firm evidence ASAP. They can be IMed or be emailed (char@lindenlab.com and [email=mick@lindenlab.com]mick@lindenlab.com[/email]).

No rumors or vague speculation at all, please--we get enough of those already, and they take our precious time and resources away from handling actual incidents.

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i support the OP wholeheartedly,
regardless of my personal tastes

bear in mind however ...
there is no such thing as Protected Free Speech on
Privately Owned Internet Websites, which Second Life is.

as a Private Website Owner, Second Life can make
any rules they like governing the dissemination
of any material on their site.

just because you payed them for your Mature Oriented Sim,
doesnt mean you have the right to your free speech,
if SL doesnt want you to have it.


i would be surprised if SL would censor your music,
given that if SL acted upon anyone who complained
about any offensive material on SL, SL would literally
have to shut the whole site down ...


i doubt anything like that will happen,
because of the exodus of masses that would leave SL


Just as Mocha said:
if someone doesnt like what you post on your sim ...

1. Turning your music off
2. Not entering a sim marked MATURE.
3. Leaving


In fact, if SL does target you for censorship,
which i seriously doubt, pass around a Petetion of Protest ...

i'll be happy to sign it




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Smerk, I am with you 100%.

On your land, play whatever music you like. If I wander onto yor land, and I don't like your music, I'll just mute it, no big deal.

And if you wander onto my land when I am in a Bagpipe mood...

Thank's for your response Torley

But I'm still curious about what the OP said here :



You have said that in a mature region we could play uncensored music in your answers reply. You have said that if it's swearing and profanity, then it's allowed, but there seem to be a big but that I sense there. I have a feeling that from the context given here, lyrics that contain racist context are not allowed? Is that what is ment?

Why not just refer the OP to the Community Standards? It's possible the music could have been considered to violate this part:



Did it? We don't know. But if it did, it doesn't matter whether it happened on a private island or not.

Those could be applied to a Gorean sim for instance, where slavery terms are in common use. Does this mean, that it would take just one newbie to be offended by the display of slavery, degradation of woman to take down the entire Gorean community?

And what about the age players?

You're getting into a much grayer area when it is people demeaning themselves. At that point the intolerance balance shifts to people trying to get rid of Goreans.

But, I feel it's very similar to this case.

Someone not associated with the people displaying these activites, gets offended, feels it's against the ToS and reports them. The Lindens agree etc...

In both cases it's someone not associated with either parties, who witnessed (heard the rap/ saw the Gorean slaves) and felt it was not something that should be in SL.

In the case of the rap lyrics, the individual had to speficially press >>play<< button to hear it. The music was streamed from an external server that had nothing to do with LL.

In the case of the person meeting the Goreans, everything is done and displayed within the game, he had no way of pressing a stop button to stop looking at them.

In both cases, this would have been in private, mature sims.

So which sim owner would be more liable? The one who dispays everthing that offends the newbie within the sim, or the one that is streaming some music (that is optional to play) from an external server?

It's an insult to American whites.

The difference is in the target. Once again, this is all supposing that the music was in some way racist or intolerant of some group or individual. This is intolerance directed at another.

Someone might get offended to see Goreans roleplaying, but recognize that any degrading or demeaning behavior is directed at themselves, not at others. I am quite sure anyone who harassed people by spouting off Gorean philosophy and insisted that it applied to all women would get reported even faster than the rap music did.

not to all American Whites ...

maybe just mostly to those American Whites who are racist themselves



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Nope, and as long as my arm throbs, I am a pillpopper.