Content Creator Union

Thanks Coco.

I don't feel any slight, whatsoever, when people criticize my criticisms.

That's the fundamental difference between me, and you and your set. You apparently think that you're supposed to be allowed to state whatever negative criticisms you want, whether they be directed at other players or LL, and not be subjected to it in return yourselves. That's not the way life works. Oh well.

Happy New Year.

/applauds

MJ

/applauds till hands hurt!

/applauds

MJ

Sure. But we all know that LLab makes stuff up on the spot on a daily basis. They don't have a community plan for next week, much less six months from now.




o rly

Got any proof of that? I remember during the summer that Robin stated there were "no plans to institute p2p teleporting." All indications of this p2p rollout looked to be hasty: a kludged-in code of something that used to be lindens-only, hastily designed (and crowded) infohubs, and now this "settlement" with disgruntled land owners.



People don't deserve any sort of compensation; free-market capitalism sucks, even if the government changes the rules not in your favor. No one has a right to make a profit.

Well somewhere along the way in this thread, Katy asserted to having been involved in the negotiations with LL that brought out the buyback offer, so it appears this is the result of some type of litigation, or the threat thereof.

By the way, who is the you all in y'all should be absolutely ashamed? Notice I have not been pushing for money of any kind - I have been pushing for an end to data loss and content theft, and have been opposed to compensation for the telehub change.

How do you know when their plans to remove telehubs came to be formalized? Also, I see repeated reference to telehub auctions being started at a higher rate. What was the opening rate on telehub auctions?

Me and my set? I have a set! *gets excited*

coco

Am I the only one who finds a dead even 50/50 poll result of this so far totally fascinating.

Here are issues I would like to see some kind of a union address and stand for.

Economy- if enough business owners worked together to somewhat self regulate the economy and the volume of L$ for sale on LindeX, certain risks could be minimized. Right now there is way to much power in just a few players hands, they could crash the economy quickly. Everyone would panic and it may not ever recover. The damage could be minimized with a unified plan.

Quality- Just because you can rez a prim, that does not mean you are a valued content creator. I would like toi see standards set with both the product and customer service.

Aimees Panties- We should all get a sniff.

Voice to the Lindens- A unified voice to the Lindens other than forum banter. If we came together and voiced out concerns both professionaly and without forum mnetality, our voices would be heard much louder.

I am sure I could think of more areas I believe it should cover but this gives a good summary of what I feel a Content Creators "Union" (hate that word) should address.

My gut feeling though, we cant even act civil towards each other on a public forum so I honestly never expect such a well organized group to actually come together.

Yeah, remember, the people like you that are supposedly coming.

I'd like to know as well, Cris. So far all we've heard is word of mouth claims by those who are disgruntled or "saddened". How about some evidence? I am not saying that they didn't start at a higher rate, but before I accept that as a fact, I need some proof, beyond what we've been given so far.

Also, isn't it really a moot point if they were started at a higher rate, as those who stand to benefit from these reparations are most likely not the same folks who initially purchased said sims at auction? I don't see the continuity there, and therefore I do not see the logic in this course of action.

Shouldn't those entrepreneurs whose businesses were affected by the replacement of P2P by hubs a couple of years ago have been compensated too? Shouldn't anyone who may have been unduly affected by any unannounced LL policy changes be entitled to something then? I know many folks who have been monetarily affected by unannounced changes in the past.

I think that this sets a bad precedent, and that LL has just opened a can of worms, if what Katy is telling us is in fact reality, and it sounds as though it is. I guess it's going to be open season if you have a lawyer/player on your side of an issue now.

"My set and I?"

Ooops.

They are already here. Haven't you noticed?

coco

P.S. I don't think I could add anything to what Katykiwi has already said about how this situation is different from the others mentiioned, and why it does not set a bad precedent for anything or anybody.

I think the Lindens did the right thing: They offered to compensate those players who were hurt by spending extra money on telehub land, including in auctions, during a time in which the Lindens knew (according to what Katykiwi has said) that the hubs would be going.

It makes sense to me, and I would hope that in any future similar situation - where the Lindens are selling something that they know is going to change AFTER people have bought it - they will make similar reparations.

Well, I haven't noticed anything because you aren't any different than any of us, which is why I have always found your statement that more people like you were coming to be completely preposterous, and one of the most divisive things you have ever said.

This is not proof, it is a claim.

You are welcome to think that, Cristiano. But all I ever really meant was that the game would grow, more people would come, and more of those people would want it to be a land of equal opportunity. And I think that is happening. There is more variety of viewpoints expressed on these forums now, for instance.

Nolan, I know it's not proof, and that it is Katykiwi's claim. But I already made a case earlier that even if they didn't know about it until the last minute, I still thought it was right that they make good on having (inadvertently or elsewise) sold property on a basis that didn't really continue to exist. Plus, I figure Katykiwi is probably right; she seems to know a lot about this situation.

coco

like i have time to read 4 pages of blah blah blah, i just wanted to post, all the cool kids were.

*AHEM* Points to SLOG.

Well, Barney, looks like you already are one of the cool kids.

As opposed to us other peasants who asked to be able to simply post comments to the pieces on SLOG, but as Aimee politely explained, you wouldn't ask a brain surgeon to write a sports column.

Thus I - as someone unacquainted with things SL, as opposed to the experts currently contributing to slog - can't even post a comment there, much less be a cool kid.

But you are, Barney! Aimee said so.

coco

Barnes is like COOL AID.

Barnes is like cucumber dip in the summer... Soooo COOL.

He is like the FONZ before he jumped the shark... COOOOOL.

I know Coco, it's had a profound impact on my SL as well, because I am not allowed to comment on SLOG. It's one of the great injustices facing the denizens of the Metaverse today. Thank heavens we have folks like you to point out and rail against such malfeasance.

Hai Gais !

aww, that makes me feel warm, fuzzy, and to be honest a little tingly. Im not as cool as Aimee though, i heard she never even gets pimples.

Count me out. I'll fend for myself thank you. I won't be told what to do and what not to do by anyone. I'll certainly never remove anything I may have for sale because some commitee told me to.

Well as I mentioned, I won't be organizing the Union. However as a post-mortem, I find your message interesting. Was your impression of the Union that you would be working happily creating content while undisturbed, then suddenly for no reason at all a commitee comes by and starts bossing you around?

Personally, I was envisioning content creators looking out for each other's interests. For example, Zuleica, if you sustained losses because of something the Lindens did, it would be my vision that me, Cristiano, Torrid, and dozens of other content creators would back you up in getting a settlement. In exchange you would be willing to add your support when a another fellow content creator needs your help.

The idea of a Union seems to be stable at near 50% but I do wonder if this is the result of poor communication on my part. Would there be more support if I better communicated what I was trying to accomplish? Or do people understand what I was saying but decided it was all BS anyways?