New Browser for Second Life Junkies!

Mmmm... What's better?

Niiiice... bitch about it, then steal the idea for yourself. How about having at least enough class to start your own farkin thread!

I just wanted to quote Tya... she is teh bomb!

Anything besides Yumi..anywhoo

LOL... priceless

Don't hate Firefox just because Yumi is being a jealous prick. That's like hating chocolate ice cream because a serial killer likes it.

I dont hate firefox.. just wanted someone to get a taste of their own medicine

Don't back off when you have your foot on her throat. Step harder babe... put yer weight in it this time!!!!

(sigh)

I did not "bitch about the idea". The only thing that I may have "bitched" about was LL's apparant involvement. My intention was not to suggest that anyone who wrote a "Second Life web browser" was trying to grab control of that communication channel, nor that MadamG by writing her browser was trying to do so. I can understand how people might have thought this based on what I wrote, but I really didn't mean that. My suggestion was that LL's involvement made me worried that they might be going to declare the browser official, and effectively give control of that channel to MadamG. But that's a concern (it wasn't supposed to be a complaint) about what LL might do, not about what MadamG has done.

From the look of MadamG's screenshot, what I'm doing and what she's doing are totally different - I don't for instance have a swish skin like she does, or multi-layered link organisation. Furthermore, if I do get this done I'll open-source it, meaning that anyone, MadamG included, can alter it or use bits out of it.

My only intention was that I figured, rather than bitching about things I didn't like, I'd try to do it a way I did like instead. I'm baffled that people apparantly consider this more offensive than just plain bitching..

Bitching is just bitching any way you package it... plain bitching or not... talk to the hand!

So anyone who tries to make their own take on an existing product is just doing it to "bitch"?

And what a wonderful ccmpliment to MadamG if this was to happen and for LL to give control of the channel, not likely,they would make some sort of deal to buy the browser outright...

No... anyone who is involved in "actual" biching... is bitching.

MadamG is making something for the community. We all love SL. Her hard work is a prime example of it.

We should all encourage each other to make SL a better place and not worry about what LL wil or will not do. As their moto states, Your World, Your Imagination. She is using her imagination to create an better world. This people is what SL is about.

I'm trying to, too - and yet I'm being attacked for it, for some reason.



I don't see that the two are incompatible. We do have to have some concern about what LL will do. Again, I'll point to InfoNet as an example. Now, having played with InfoNet a bit I think it's actually pretty nifty, and it's deserved the publicity it's got. But, equally, now that LL have entrenched InfoNet on the grid, people who might have been able to make an even better version (and that isn't me, but I know there's a lot of very talented people out there) can't, because they can't beat the "ad in every InfoHub and the WA" advantage. That means that one particular way of "making SL a better place" has been effectively blocked, which is not a good thing.

The same thing applies here. MadamG's browser looks very good, but that doesn't mean that nobody will ever be able to do anything better. As others have pointed out, that's never the case, no matter how good the existing work is, at least partly because different people have different ideas about what "better" means.

I'm all for trying to make this a better place. And in my original post where I mentioned the extension, I was actually - in part - trying to suggest to MadamG that if she can grab the cookies out of the HTML renderer she's using, her browser shell can use that cookie to get Friends Online, etc, off secondlife.com without having to put the username and password into the shell (which she seemed to mention in an earlier post, was thought to be a concorn), and that I'd confirmed that this method works.

Nah. That moto is the old one.

It's now:

Your World. The bush guy's Signs. YOUR Problem.

Hmm, I don't see any difference security-wise between entering your SL username/password into a dialog in a program, or entering the same data into another place (window) in the same program.

If the program is malicious, it will grab your user/pass no matter into what part of the program you input it into.

Or is my thinking wrong on that?

I agree.

Yumi,

I appreciate your compliment, but please do not post false information about me. It appears that you are saying that I used Swish to create my interface. Do you know for sure that I used "Swish" to create my browser interface? I have never even had Swish installed and don't plan on using it.


Have a nice evening.

Its a shame you feel that way.. it truly is.

Personally I think you should have IM' d her in world or sent her a PM. This reason alone is why many many people stopped posting in the forums for products and projects fellow residents are working on. Their thread, their moment to shine, is hi jacked and then thread becomes about the other person. I have never met you inworld , nor do I have anything against you, but my first impression of you when someone mentions your name... I will always remember this post. I myself at times should heed my own advice, nor am I claiming I am an angel. This thread was about her and now its become about you.

So lets end this thread on a positive note.

MadamG -- wonderful work! And if LL decides that in the future, this new browser is the offical browser for SL, I tip my hat to you and you have my admiration for be innovative individual and huge congrats all around.

~Tya

I brought it up with several Microsoft product managers when I was at the Microsoft campus on another matter near the end of 2000.

People also use these applications every day and *do* have these issues. The massive increase in email and other viruses starting around 1997 is almost entirely due to the poor design of Internet Explorer. No other mail program or browser has anything even vagely like the horrible track record of Outlook and IE, and every person using IE is another potential Typhoid Mary.

The difference in security between every other browser and IE is so enormous that, well, it's like the difference between forgetting to brush your teeth one morning, and running around snogging Ebola patients.

No, I do security and systems software. I'm an active part of the open source community, though, and both Apple and Microsoft are using projects I've worked on in their operating systems.

It's not a matter of whether I like IE or not. I actually recommended IE on the Mac... where it doesn't suffer from the fundamental security flaws it does on Windows... for many years. It's a matter of alerting people to a problem that they need to be aware of.

ANY program that uses the Microsoft HTML control on Windows has the same problem: Outlook, Windows media Player, Real Player, ...

The work she has done is just as valuable if it were ported to run on top of Firefox's engine. The problem isn't her software, it's merely one of the components its using, and there is no solution but avoiding IE, Outlook, and the rest of the applications that use the HTML control on untrusted documents.

How long did it take you to write all that...cause I didn't read a lick past the first line! ROFL

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