New Browser for Second Life Junkies!

Thank you Cristiano... not only that but those orange tabs can be found in several independent web applications.

Ah, sorry. I forgot about that.

So it's a shell around the IE rendering engine? That would make sense.

Apologies for my rude post before.

Nice work I look forward to using this... Girl Power

Ok I am sure you feel bombarded here, so let me explain what he or she was trying to say. It is one thing to make a browser shell - the tabs, the menus, etc... and to link it altogether. It is something quite different to have programmed everything - to develop the engine that processes the HTML and draws the corresponding elements on the screen, to develop a Javascript parser, to develop a CSS parser, etc. Developing a page rendering engine for a browser is no small feat - it takes a very very long time with the complexity of today's web pages. The teams that have developed Mozilla/Firefox and Internet Explorer did so over a very long period of time.

I think the confusion lies in the fact that you are using a pre-built rendering engine - it appears you are hosting the Internet Explorer engine in a custom developed browser shell. You did not develop the technology to actually display the pages themselves - you are using something that handles that task for you (the rendering engine).

Oh, I see, this is a kind of prank you're playing on the forum ppl!

You're not gonna convince anyone who knows just a bit of software development that you wrote that browser from 'square one', as you said.

I think it is more just confusion, not an attempt to deceive anyone. She has built a tabbed browser it seems on top of the IE engine.

What he posted was "write a browser from scratch without substantial help." What you did while is very nifty and useful, you wrote a browser extension, not a browser itself. The development and bringing to maturity of a browser from scratch is a nightmarishly large process, and easily would keep even the world's most prolific developer eyes-deep in code for years. The Mozilla Project (from which both Mozilla and Firefox come from) has involved years and hundreds of developers in order to see the light of day.

Btw good work on the browser extension - a very novel and inventive approach to SL usability!


- Newfie

back up people.. no need to flame or give her the third degree... i appauled her. show fellow support not rip apart someones work.

There is so much hidden talent here in SL. We hide behind our avatars, never showing who or what we really do when we are not in world. For all your know.. she is a software developer and just maybe , best in her league...

Actually it is not technically a browser extension either. It is a standalone browser - it has the component version of IE in it. Semantics, I know, but it is different from an extension in the Firefox sense.

Agreed, I am not sure why she is being flamed, it is very disconcerting to see.

Oh, okay, that's totally different.

But something's not right. How can someone develop software, if he/she doesn't even know what the basic technical terms mean? Who doesn't know what's a 'component'. Or COM. Or anything technical?

I wonder if the program is written in Visual Basic?

PS: It's still a nice job, I admit, but I fear the programmers who don't know what they have created. (One day it might be Frankenstein, lol

Again, I think it is just confusion, combined with being flustered from unexpected flaming in what should be a totally innocuous thread.

Dumb question

Where can I get this Browser?


Thanks

Cause she is a girl We rule.. plain and simple

Okay, one more attempt at playing peacekeeper in this thread, and then I'm abandoning it if people can't learn to relax a bit, which would be a shame since the actual topic is so interesting. MadamG, I don't think Keknehv meant any insult. I believe what he was trying to say was that writing a new browser entirely from scratch is generally much too big of an undertaking to be one-man job. IE wasn't written by one person, and neither was Firefox or any other modern browser I've ever heard of.

You've acknowledged that yours uses components of IE at its core, and I believe that's what Keknehv's comments were intended to find out. In that sense, he's correct that you didn't write the whole thing "without substantial help". Your "help" came in the form of pre-existing components. However novel and clever your implimentation of those components may be, and I suspect it's all VERY novel and VERY clever, you can't say you wrote it ALL by yourself.

That's not an insult or a detraction from your accomplishments in any way. I see what you've done here as similar to what great chopper builders do. They take existing motorcycle components and then put them together in ways no one previously may have, and they add their own artistry to the whole thing. In the end though, they're always proud to point at varuious sections of the bike and say, "See this? That was Jesse James tank, and I cut it in half and added these pieces to it," or "This here was a Billy Lane sissy bar, and I chopped it and welded on these pieces so it looked the way I wanted".

Crediting where components came from in no way diminishes the artistry or the originality of what was done with them. Just as no chopper builder could ever be accused of having done everything on his bike all by himself, neither can you. There's no shame in that, and there's no insult when someone points that out. I'm sure you've done something great here.

Just keep in mind it's not at all improper for someone to suspect you didn't write every last line of the program entirely from scratch, especially in light of the fact that you've since disclosed where some of your components came from.

Now, let's everyone take a breath, shall we?


EDIT: Looks like several other people said basically the same thing as me while I was typing this, so I guess this post is old news by now. Still, I hope it helps diffuse the flames a little bit.

wtf is wrong with you vultures??? Sounds like a bunch of jealous teenagers to me. She obviously has worked really hard on something that's prolly really cool and all some of you can do is tear her down.

Ya know what... who gives a rats ass what you think anyway. Don't like it... don't use it and take your sorry trolling asses somewhere else. SL is a world that encourages and fosters creativity. Give it a try sometime. grrrrrrrrr

I look forward to seeing and trying the finished product. Thank you so much for sharing it with the rest of us!

From the Star Chamber home page.

PS - just teasing, it has not been released yet - she was soliciting feedback. My lord, did she get feedback. Talk about being careful what you wish for.

Amen.

Cristiano,

I understand...and no I am not THAT advanced juuuuuuust yet. I did not develop the "technology"...I don't think that would be much fun. However I did have fun creating this though (Smiles)

The fact that she said "Firefox" repeatedly in quotes seemed to indicate she had never heard of it before. Perhaps I am wrong.

I apologize to MadamG for coming across as trolling, it wasn't my original intent in replying, so I'll rephrase:

Can you explain the benefits your browser offers over using standard IE/FireFox/Opera/Safari/Etc? Is it faster by virtue of being lighter in functionality? Does it use less resources giving more room for Second Life's own demands? Other than ghosting does it offer other features unique to web browsers? It's creative and unique, but what compels someone to keep using it over a traditional browser? Are there features that are planned before it's released as a finished product that would fall under this criteria? Prior to building this, did you consider instead building an extension to IE/FireFox/Opera with this functionality along with a skin, and what made you choose this route if so?

I think it'll take more than a prayer to improve the social skills in this thread but I'll try to add to yours.

Oh my God, what a bunch of...

Ahem.

My Lord, I can't believe...

umm

Got it!

Heaven help them.

If you have a list of beta testers for this once you're ready, put me on it. I'd love to try it out. <3 browsers. And Bowsers.

Looks great!

And everyone? Breathe...

Your browser looks good and so do you.

That is the important part I look forward to seeing what you created.