Teen Grid - Is it what Linden Lab promised?

Is the Teen Grid what Linden Lab promised for a safe environment for teens, an alternative for the main grid, and that teens would be routed there and kept off the main grid?


p.s. - I'm not going to ask why this other thread was closed, because that would automatically close this thread. However, I will point out, that indeed, this other thread was closed:
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I was just watching my nephew on the teen grid. It reminded me of a Quake deathmatch.

What's a teen grid? Is it a seperate grid? Do they use some different space and asset servers? Or do LL not understand how to use their own terminology correctly?

When are they gonna fix the red locator bar and arrow so that they disappear when the cleared on the map? That's really driving me crazy.

Does anybody know where I can buy one of those teapot shaped houses?

"This thread is being locked for Linden Review."

Do we need another thread if that does in fact mean they are going to look into the problem?

That said, I would like expand on something I said in the other thread:

"By the number of posters here think children should just be thrown to the wolves without any pretection is it any surpise LL thinks the samething?"

There were views expressed, people are expressing views that people are over reacting about wanting to prevent teens from seeing somethings. That they "will see it anyway" or "find out about it anyway." Like those two statements mean we should try to do anything.

The full statment that I made:

"Well, it is painfully clear LL doens't care about COPA or keeping the teen grid PG13.

By the number of posters here think children should just be thrown to the wolves without any pretection is it any surpise LL thinks the samething?

I just wondering how long it will take for them to get sued for willful negligence."

Well, I'll make a few guesses.

Maybe it's okay for a teen to post their own picture on an outside site, nude or otherwise, but it's predatory behavior for an adult to post it?

Or, maybe since the original posting occurred on SLUniverse that would make Cristiano the bad guy for allowing it but when it was posted here, LL couldn't fake covering their eyes and plugging their ears?

Or, maybe since they've lost control of the teen grid and the main grid, the forum is the only place left to flex their muscle?

Nonono, this is about a different topic. The other thread was about teens getting onto the main grid. This thread is about the teen grid living up to expectations.

Well, teens will be teens. Boys draw pics of big boobs all the time. They have been since the dawn of time. So topless, big boobed avs on the teen grid should be expected. Teens know what sex is and are very interested in it. Don't any of you remember what it's like to be a teen? As I recall that was a main topic of conversation when I was a teen. The boys all talked about wanting to get into out pants and we talked about whether we should let them or not.

They don't need to be protected from sex. What they need protection from is pedophiles. Parents need to take an active role as well. It's silly to think that LL has 100% of the responsibility to police the teen grid. It's also equally silly to think that there won't be any sex in the teen grid. Teens have sex in rl, why would they not have sex in the teen grid? Teach your kids to be responsible and ask them questions about what they are doing in the teen grid.

lol quit camping quad n00b

Srsly.... a good friend of mine's 15 year old kid is in teen SL... he's a 'rather awesome' designer according to his dad. He's no Starax, but with the recent secret DNA extractions.........

Apparently it's not quite that bad everywhere. But he does say there is a lot of shooting.

What's the point of the teen grid now if they can get into the adult grid so easily with a new alt?

I'm having TSO flashbacks. They're even posting in the forums.

Well, a lot of the first transfers from the teen grid to the main grid said they really missed the sense of community on the teen grid when they came to the main grid and wished they could return. Its funny, a lot of the older SLers who never or infrequently log in any more say the same thing much of the time.

Regards,

-Flip

Do you even know what COPA is? It says that LL has responiblity over what goes on the teen grid.

You are also forgetting the fact that a majority of parents these days don't bother raising there kids because they are too busy working and 'having it all.' Part of that all is having kids but doesn't include raising them. So other people do need to step in.

Yeah but the teen grid was put there to keep teens "safe". But now LL is pretty much holding the door open for them on the adult grid.

The teen grid should be renamed the griefer grid and all griefers should be sent there to stay permanently.

Teens on the main grid is a bad idea, teens in their own grid is a worse idea.

I feel that LL is setting themselves up for some serious trouble when some parent walks into little Tommy's room sometime and sees him oggling cartoon boobies in a dance club in SL and decides to sue the company for not verifying the lying little brat's age before they let him in. THAT is why we shouldn't have teenagers in the main grid.

Now for why there shouldn't be a teen grid at all.....

My big concern with the teen grid wasn't whether or not they would create cartoon porn on their own. Of course they will if they can. My concern was that it is clearly not a priority of LL to keep adult predators out of what is bound to be a sexually charged environment.



A bit like coralling them all together and putting a big spotlight over them for the sickos to find them easier. While it sounds like this guy may have some legitamite reasons for being there, just look at how easy it obviously was for him to get in. And note that the quote doesn't state that he was the ONLY non-Linden adult... it says he is ONE OF THE ONLY Non-Linden adults.



Here's why in my view....
A teen accessing the adult grid has a variety of reasons for doing it, from wanting to see what the difference is, to just wanting to break a rule, to even actually having friends they want to be around.

An adult accessing the teen grid... (with a FEW exceptions naturally) has most often only one reason in mind.. access to the teens.

Think about it this way... A teenage girl hooks up with a 30 yr old man in the adult grid. She doesn't tell him her real age. Now he's not doing anything wrong, he believes he is involved with a grown woman. She's lying to him and putting him at risk of getting into legal trouble but she's most likely not in any danger. At some point he'll want to meet, he'll find out her age, he'll be shocked and move on. She'll be upset and get over it.

A 30 yr old man hooks up with a teenage girl in the teen grid... you've got a whole different scenerio. He's only there for one reason. He wanted a teenage girl. Now HE's lying to HER. She thinks she's involved with a boy her own age. So when this sweet romantic "boy" she likes wants her to get on a bus and come meet him...... well there are plenty of ugly stories in the newspapers and on missing person's reports to tell you what happens next.

ANY chat site geared towards kids that doesn't jump through hoops to verify the age of every single person is a dangerous environment I don't want my child having anything to do with.

Um, no.

COPA:

(1) Only applies to HTTP protocol transfers;
(2) Doesn't apply to businesses transferring communications between people "without selection or alteration of the content"; and
(3) Doesn't apply to anyone who makes a good faith effort to restrict access by minors "by any reasonable measure that is feasible under available technology", for example, simply "requiring use of a credit card".

Feel free to read it before you imply that you know what it says:

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/censorship/copa.html

Oh, and the Justice Department does not believe it is constitutional and does not want to divert resources from other important initiatives to COPA prosecutions. The full opinion is longer, and rips COPA to shreds:

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/ACLU_v_Reno_II/HTML/19981005_doj_congress.letter.html

COPA is a red herring used by some people to scare LL into changing their policy. They assume, I suppose, that LL doesn't have lawyers that know more about the matter than they do.

haha the child protection idiots are back again, if you can't take care of your childs, don't give them birth! and if you have enough time to care about other's childs, then time to get your own!

it kills me this babyfication of the childs, come on, they are intelligent enough to take care fo themselve, unless you never took them as a priority in your life, stop asking to game companies to babysit them cause you don't want to do it.

Every problems you are talking about are the parent's fault and only their, for not explaining the dangers of life to theyr childs for not telling them what a child abductor is or what is a rape. How do you think they can know how to react if its all taboo in your perfect family?

First of all, the plural for the word child is children. Hope that helps you out a bit.

Second and much more importantly, I'm royally furious at the moment. I am on the adult grid and have been for sometime. My 14 year old son is on the teen grid. Now the first I heard of the teen grid was when he wanted to play SL and I went to sign him up. I spoke to two Lindens because to be honest, I do not agree with the teen grid. I want to watch over my own child, not leave him in the hands of others. But I was assured the teen grid was monitored VERY carefully and he would be supervised and protected from things like this.

So does someone want to tell me why i'm now seeing pictures of avi's that are OBVIOUSLY mature in nature.. running around buck ass naked in the same damn grid I was told I had no choice but to put my child into? You call this watching over them and protecting them?

Thank you very much but I would like to return to my previous viewpoint and do it MYSELF!

I think the teen grid should be scrapped and all the parents who put their kids in there should have the damn right to watch over and protect their own children because obviously the Lindens cannot be trusted to do it properly. As much as I do not agree with this posters quote here, he's got a damn good point. I brought my son into this world and ultimately he is MY responsibility. So give me the right to do my damn job and get him out of that joke of a grid.

Signed
a VERY pissed off parent!

Hiro, I think that would be a "no".

No the ACLU doesn't think it is consitutional, thier is a difference.

I can't beleive how many people think children should be thrown to the wolves and no effort what so ever should be done to protect them against pedophiles.

"Doesn't apply to anyone who makes a good faith effort to restrict access by minors "by any reasonable measure that is feasible under available technology", for example, simply "requiring use of a credit card"."

THEY AREN'T DOING THAT!!!

Yes, it's important to keep me isolated from my daughter, once she's old enough to get an account.

Okay, see if you agree with this statement:

An adult who wants to be a Girl Scout or Boy Scout leader has most often only one reason in mind ...

Really? Adults who like children are mostly pedophiles?

I think that mentor relationships are a source of wisdom and self-esteem for kids. I can mentor my own, and I do; but other adults have even more to offer. There are many people here in SL to whom I would be glad to introduce my daughter.

Is there really a lot of griefing over there? Maybe they need some role models.

It sometimes seems as if people here, if they think about children at all, just plan on warehousing them until they're old enough to have sex; as if that is the thing which is going to protect them from predators. My suspicion is that they're just pedophobes.

Who is going to help the children learn? That should be us, if we really care about the issue. And I'll go out on a limb here -- I can't think of a safer environment to learn about protecting yourself from bad people than a virtual space like Second Life.

And I've heard plenty about how dangerous it is for the teenagers; but I can't figure it out. Could someone be explicit, please? What might happen?

Hiro, I hate so say it, but lately you've been acting like a cranky old man. Chill, dOOd. Smoke a blunt or something.

Just because a person knows about rape and pedophiles doesn't keep them safe.

Part of being a good person is wanting to keep people safe doubly so for children.

Just because you think pedophiles should have easy acess to children doesn't mean everyone does. They are a child, it is easy for someone to trick them, so teens think it is 'cool' to go out with someone older, so they go meet them.

The fact people like you are in the world is why so many children are attacked because too many people like you don't care what happens to them.

Because of that some of us have to work extra hard to undo the damage you make.

It's the change in registration requirements to allow only an email address as an indentifier which has may put the good faith part under scrutiny. A switch which allowed a cell phone number instead of a cc# had already been in put place at the time that the $10 fee was dropped.

I disagree with the teen grid for another reason entirely. It occurred to me that people will be KICKED OUT of that grid when they reach a certain age. Their Friends? Still there. So you have a person who could quite possibly was doing just fine in the teen grid and get ousted to a place where they have nobody when they turn 18. People that sign up together, age 17 and 18? Segregated. Can't wander around together.

But the problem quickly becomes: Which is the lesser evil? Having kids running around with the adults but being able to be honest about their age with no reprucussion, or adults running around with kids and lying about it to do so?

Perhaps it would be best to have one grid and allow the owner of a region permission to admit teens or not? There are places where only certain users have access, and others just can't get through. It could be one grid with mature places blocked off like that. That way, friends can still wander together and parents can still watch over their kids.

Lets also be thankful cybersex won't get them pregnant or diseased.