Teen Grid - Is it what Linden Lab promised?

Actually as my posting history in other threads as well would show, though I have responded with emotion at times, I make it a habit to try not to turn anything into a personal attack. (well unless I'm dealing with a certain freebie reseller) If you took something I said that way then I'm sorry. But that isn't what I do.

I quoted you in the same way I quote anyone, to respond to a statement. You said, Is there any evidence... I offered a link I felt was evidence and made this statement in response......"They can't even keep adult grid content out of the teen grid. A reasonable person should assume they're having just as much trouble keeping the adults out."

I'm not seeing any attack here... you do?



Yes that is what I'm saying. That is my position and I stand by it. If adults can easily access the teen grid (and I pointed out that they have and are) then not all of those adults will be doing it for innocent reasons. SOME will yes, some will be there just to be with their own child, some will be there to sell inventory they shouldn't (different issue) and in the mix there will be some who are there to seek out potential victims. To say it isn't happening is to choose to stick your head in the sand.



Ok you feel I am making an alarmist statement. I feel it is a true statement and should be looked at. I do not feel it is a stretch at all to say that if they can get in they will get in. You're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

No. For two reasons. 1) If you're curious do your own search and 2) While I recall statements made at the time the teen grid was being considered, I'm actually referring to assurances made to me personally when my daughter asked me to call and look into it because she was interested in playing. In the end I decided I saw flaws in LL's logic and didn't feel they could live up to the promises of security they made to me and I elected not to allow her to open an account until I actually saw the thing in action. I am now glad I didn't.

LL is a business, you're right. They made a business decision based on their desire to inflate their numbers. I understand it. But I also feel it was irresponsible.

In the end yes they will do what they choose to do and I will make my own decisions for my family accordingly. But the way things are right now, I certainly won't be recommending SL to anyone under 18 or their parents.
As to your points 1, 2, & 3..... 1) So...2) So... 3) It is at least an effort as opposed to simply making no effort at all.
By going with the logic that it won't keep all of them out so why bother.... you could apply that to anything else.. say a youth center for example. Well despite any security or back ground checks we might try, out of all the youth centers there is still the possibility some perv could slip through the cracks so we should just forget about checking anyone out anymore? So again, the youth centers have the right to choose to go with that logic and I have the right to not allow my child to spend time there.

Well, they had sure as hell keep them out of *school*.

I remember having a conversation with my english teacher when I was back in school, about a parent who complained about the word "goddamn" being in a book that her daughter had been assigned. We both laughed about it since if the woman had heard the way that her daughter talked in the school bathroom in the morning with her friends she probably would have had a heart attack.

Any parent who's upset about trivia like this should go out and rent "Kids" and see what their children are *actually* dealing with IRL.

No, that is not the logic. The logic is that it is very expensive to implement the policies you suggest and it is doubtful that it will keep out the determined predator. It will keep out the casual pervert, but they are mostly harmless IMO.

How much do you think it would cost per teen to do this check of yours? How much do they make per registered user? What percentage of accounts do they lose because of the tedious authorization process?

The math may work out in the case of doing background checks at a youth center. I don't think it does here and so far it looks like LL agrees.

This is especially true when we are talking about a very low probability risk, and IMO the process is mostly to placate concerned parents (overly concerned parents). The proper business decision is to let those overly concerned parents find another way to entertain their kids.

If it's truly irresponsible, let the government shut them down. I'm sure LL has factored that remote possibility into the equation as well.


Exactly, and give them constructive feedback about why you're making those decisions and it will inform their policy. Some people tend to rant and rave over a minor issue (again, I'm not targeting you!) and think that it will change a business policy. That kind of feedback is often counter productive IMO, because businesses would often just rather get rid of customers who are impossible to please.

Personaly, I'd rather teens (and irresponsable adults) have sex in SL (whichever grid applies to them) than in real life. Cuts down on STDs, unwanted pregnancys, and abortions(I think it should be the womans right to choose, but it's still kinda tragic when it happens as often as it is these days)

Your statement has nothing to do with this debate. It is competely off topic, and pointless.

You think I don't care about children because I'm not working harder to make sure they're absolutely safe from some exaggerated threat you imagine. I think you don't care about children because thousands die from car crashes and swimming pools and yet you do nothing.

Need I mention how many millions of kids die worldwide from malaria or polluted water supplies? Do you know how many lives you could save with your $9.95 a month?

I think you're on very precarious ground with your accusations.

Groucho, you just made my "favorite people" list!

I have always been amazed at just how much tiny amounts of money can do in 3rd world countries. Skip two lattes each month and the money can support a child in Bangladesh for a month.