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Attachment 1.8.2 culling: Violating Freedom of Expression and COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL |
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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01-22-2006 09:24
You're Right, Hiro, Linden Lab Is Stupid And You Won't Be Able To See Anyone's Attachments Ever Again Oh Noes
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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01-22-2006 09:24
YOU'RE RIGHT, HIRO, LINDEN LAB IS STUPID AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANYONE'S ATTACHMENTS EVER AGAIN OH NOES
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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags? |
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Introvert Petunia
over 2 billion posts
Join date: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,065
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01-22-2006 09:25
Because we're out of things about which to be hysterical, Chip.  |
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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01-22-2006 09:27
Sexist! /me chortles _____________________
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags? |
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,905
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01-22-2006 09:28
YOU'RE RIGHT, HIRO, LINDEN LAB IS STUPID AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANYONE'S ATTACHMENTS EVER AGAIN OH NOES (omg caps) Don't play hyperbole, Enabran, that's straw-man attack and you know it. _____________________
Hiro Pendragon
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
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01-22-2006 09:29
1. I have a polar bear avatar. Someone comes on, maybe the paws don't render, maybe one paw renders and the other doesn't, maybe the head attachment doesn't, and I appear to have a tiny head. You'll also be in the background, which means I'm probably not looking at you or interacting with you in any way and so really couldn't care less what you look like. No offense. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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01-22-2006 09:35
Don't play hyperbole, Enabran, Why not, Hiro? You're having such a good time playing it all by yourself with this thread, I want to play it, too! _____________________
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags? |
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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01-22-2006 09:47
You'll also be in the background, which means I'm probably not looking at you or interacting with you in any way and so really couldn't care less what you look like. No offense. Why would I be in the background? _____________________
Hiro Pendragon
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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01-22-2006 09:47
Why not, Hiro? You're having such a good time playing it all by yourself with this thread, I want to play it, too! This is not hyperbole. The scenarios that I have suggested are well within the realm of what will be happening after this patch. _____________________
Hiro Pendragon
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
Join date: 28 Jan 2005
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01-22-2006 09:51
Why would I be in the background? Improves viewer performance by selectively culling the display of attachments to agents a certain distance away from the person viewing them. That's why.  _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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01-22-2006 09:53
That's why. Okay, what's a certain distance? 10m? It doesn't matter. If I'm 50m away, but I have a giant dragon AV, it sure will still be visable that I don't have one wing, perhaps. _____________________
Hiro Pendragon
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Wuvme Karuna
..:: Spicy Latina ::..
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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01-22-2006 10:12
I don't want to be bald, i dont want to be shoe-less to someone else.. lol
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
Join date: 28 Jan 2005
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01-22-2006 10:12
Ah very well, a question.
 We will just have to wait and see, or maybe a linden will show up and answer. And that will be most likely be Monday. /invalid_link.html I understand your concerns, and have asked the engineer who designed the change for more data. I will post on Monday with more information. About your idea of stopping to render a avatar all together, i dislike that option. Eventhough it would improve my framerate, i will never use such a option, because i won't be able to see the actions of the avatar. It might (for example) be humping me, for whatever reason. I would like to be aware of such a action. _____________________
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Wuvme Karuna
..:: Spicy Latina ::..
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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01-22-2006 10:12
Will this lower lag?
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,905
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01-22-2006 10:15
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Project Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 174 I understand your concerns, and have asked the engineer who designed the change for more data. I will post on Monday with more information. Good enough for me for now. Thank you, Linden Lab, for taking the time to investigate this more. _____________________
Hiro Pendragon
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Ashen Stygian
@-'-,---
Join date: 30 Apr 2004
Posts: 243
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01-22-2006 10:20
All the best attachments are transparent anyway
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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01-22-2006 10:26
About your idea of stopping to render a avatar all together, i dislike that option. Eventhough it would improve my framerate, i will never use such a option, because i won't be able to see the actions of the avatar. It might (for example) be humping me, for whatever reason. I would like to be aware of such a action. You get all the fun. coco _____________________
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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I agree with Hiro
01-22-2006 10:42
Jeeze the furry people are going to look all weird at a distance with shrunken heads and flat faces.
I myself use several hundred prims on my face. These piercings are a part of my self-expression. I'd feel uneasy knowing that people were looking at me and not getting the total package. Briana Dawson |
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Ashen Stygian
@-'-,---
Join date: 30 Apr 2004
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01-22-2006 10:45
Hmmm so would I violate the ToS if I was wearing attachment based clothing and appeared naked to someone??
Or can we just flush PG sims down the crapper now? |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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01-22-2006 10:55
Hey guys!! HI! I hope this isn't too off topic but, I was wondering if you liked my new Victorian Prim Dress!
Notice the bodice has a basque giving a lovely jacket effect. The a white muslin fill-in trimmed with broderie anglaise took me all weekend to make! And the train is to die for! _____________________
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
Join date: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,847
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01-22-2006 10:57
 Looks awesome. Looking forward to being humped with it. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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01-22-2006 10:59
Don't play hyperbole, Enabran, that's straw-man attack and you know it. Hiro, With all due respect, your entire rant is hyperbole. While there are some valid concerns about how attachment culling will be implemented, all kinds of systems use LOD to handle performance issues, and Linden Lab adapting the graphics engine to display less detail at farther distances is hardly "violating freedom of expression". That is absurd. Instead of just ranting against an implementation that you haven't seen, why not push for allowing us to preview the change, and then make your criticisms after having seen it. Until then, honestly, you are accomplishing absolutely nothing except looking foolish. _____________________
Cristiano
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Eata Kitty
Registered User
Join date: 21 Jan 2005
Posts: 387
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01-22-2006 11:05
Sorry but your rant is blatantly ridiculous and overreacting to an almost satirical level.
It's a performance modification that is intended to remove objects when they reach an insignificant size, hopefully drastically lowering the rendered polygon counts in groups of avatars so we may all live in the world of fluffy rabbits and rainbows that exists when you get more than 10FPS. Unless it's incredibly badly balanced it should have almost no effect on the visual apperance of avs. |
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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01-22-2006 11:07
All the best attachments are transparent anyway YOU WIN THIS THREAD OK, seriously, can someone tell me how the proposition to selectively cull your neighbor's prims from your view (aka the Lazarus solution) is any different than this - except for avatars? I mean, I'm all for both, and if someone wants to see my av bald as a cueball...well, they can do that NOW half the time. Or else all they see is my attachments. Weeee. Hiro, calm thyself. _____________________
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Talon Lardner
Mouse by night
Join date: 5 Oct 2005
Posts: 141
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01-22-2006 11:12
Sorry but your rant is blatantly ridiculous and overreacting to an almost satirical level. It's a performance modification that is intended to remove objects when they reach an insignificant size, hopefully drastically lowering the rendered polygon counts in groups of avatars so we may all live in the world of fluffy rabbits and rainbows that exists when you get more than 10FPS. Unless it's incredibly badly balanced it should have almost no effect on the visual apperance of avs. Yeah, I thought it was satire at first as well. I use two prim-heavy avitars as my primary avitars (Female dragon and male rat, both from Luskwood), and I don't mind if they can't see my wings or my head until we are in the same room, as long as they appear correctly when one zooms in on a avitar or that it doesn't cull at a really close distance, I'd be happy. |
