Alts becoming government officials

I was just wondering....

With the ability to create up to 5 alts per credit card in the past, it's possible many members have several alt accounts.

Question: Is it possible LL could verify the government officials are not from the same address to avoid a situation where one person controls several positions within the government with the use of alt accounts?

Or is there any other way to verify this?

Also, is there a way to block the alts of people who have been refused citizenship from becoming officials of the government?

I'm just thinking out loud, feel free to jump in

I'm afraid not.

-- Gwyn.

LOLOLOL You crack me up!!!

I asked in the linden forum, hopefully they can provide some kind of oversight to the government AV owners without compromising anyones identity.

None. I could actually be several citizens right now. (I'm not.) A more credible threat is that right now there could be individuals with multiple alts in different branches of the government or in different parties in the RA.

~Ulrika~

I have multiple personality order and am the following 5 people:
Pelanor,Claude,Sudane,Gwyn and Ulrika....

Just kidding...That alt thing is some scary stuff though...

oops! I meant to post this as Kendra, not Pelanor.

It's actually worse than you think, especially in regards to the RA. Because it amplifies minority parties, small groups of alts spawning new parties can significantly amplify the power of a single individual.

An individual having an alt in the city is forbidden in the Constitution.

~Ulrika~

That may be true, but we know people ignore the constitution in many cases. Like when you admitted you purposely ignored the founding documents when dealing with outsiders. Even to the point of purposely breaking the law. So what is going to stop you or anyone else breaking these rules in the future? Surely not the founding documents, as we see they have been ignored before.

There are modifications to the governmental system that could mitigate the effect on alts on a voting system, of which I was a huge proponent, but they required a move away from what was viewed as democratic, so it was not incorporated. In future systems, I'll use the problems here to demonstrate how utopian democratic ideals in a system complicated by SL rules leads to suboptimal and even counterintuitive results.

As for alts being in the city, there is absolutely nothing one can technically do to stop it, as LL strongly maintains that alts are to be treated as individuals and will not link them to people, even at that person's request. The best the city can hope for is to make an act against the law, rely on individuals to act ethically, and punish those that are found to abuse the system.

The other questions you should ask, is what if upon my departure I created an alt that then joined the city and now hold a prominent role in the government. A prior (albeit illegal trial) restricts Ulrika from gaining citizenship but not an alt -- or does it? That's a question for the SC but given that they're still silent about a two-week-old contest trial, it's doubtful there will be resolution any time soon.

~Ulrika~

I certainly think there is an excellent possibility a person could comeback as a new citizen and gain access to the levers of power.

But really, what is one gaining by doing such a thing? It's like the guy who cheats at monopoly. Sure, he might win that game, but what glory? He can boast about his fox like ability to fool everyone. Yet it would ring so hollow, because morals are important. Winning isn't everything.

Also, I can't imagine becoming what I am not, just to fool people. One would be required to not speak ones mind. One would need to hide those things that are ones trademark. One would need to become a kitten from a lion.

I'm not saying you aren't smart enough to pull off such a thing, I just think your morals are better than that and you have better things to do with your time than to try to influence a sim that doesn't want your influence.

Some governement functions, like GM require an alt. Sudane uses Rudeen Edo. I might need a declared alt to run my business. I had an idea earlier: How do you determine if an avatar is an alt?

Answer: All you can do is verify premium accounts by having the avi show you an owned parcel of mainland.

That works for me.

What about members who don't have a premium account? One of the benefits of land coops such as this is that premium membership is not required.

~Ulrika~

Reverse psychology with passive aggressive insinuation? How positively droll.

~Ulrika~

I agree with you 100% Ulrika, I just don't know of any SL mechanism to verify non-premium avis. Lee(?) and I came up with an idea for a net worth verification vendor that you pay all your $L to and it prints a receipt and returns your cash.

If you or anyone can think of any other way in world to prove an avatar is not someone's alt, I'm all ears. I'm not suggesting BTW that we require premium accounts of all citizens. Maybe just gov't office holders. I just discuss it as a possible issue worthy of study.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove.

Is the theory that alts tend to have little to no money? Because nobody's stopping alt 2 from getting a receipt, paying alt 4 86% of their money, letting alt 4 get a receipt, and then getting their money back from alt 4.

Then it'll seem as if both alts have substantial amounts of money (but the amounts are not too similar, so suspicion will be less).

Then you disagree with my statement about your smarts, morals and use of time?

Thats two per credit card and 5 by address.........

That's the new rules. Before one could get 6 avies per card.

I'm wondering out loud again .....

Is it acceptable under the current constitution and founding documents to use an alt, after being rejected as a citizen, to gain access to the government?

It seems some people think the SC should make a ruling on such a thing. I think it's common sense that it is underhanded and sneaky. It is surely illegal just using the common sense rule.

Also, If the government must specifically make an act illegal before common sense kicks in, does that mean everything is legal that isn't specifically illegal under the law until they get around to making more laws?

why is this a huge concern for you?

It doesn't concern you?

Not particularly.