Alts becoming government officials

Kendra, I'm your alt and you know it!

NO. If I picked an alt it would be someone more like Pelanor --he's dreamy.

That's Ulrika's alt tho lol

Hee - we should have a masquerade party - come as your alt! Prizes to be given to those who guess real identities correctly.

That would explain the attraction then

I love it!!!!! Im gonna finish up the Cabaret in Altenburg and throw an ALTenburg Party.

Just don't forget the Kevn plushies unloading used monkey food on Darwin's head.

If I add target omega rotation to the forearm it could even thump a bible.

Hmm, now that would be cool. I could be thumping while Ulrika is stealing them from motel rooms and burning them.

I am so glad I am not a Christian.

If you want to hear my voice you can hear it on the podcast of the last Town Hall.

I'm sorry if I upset you, please forgive me.

I was asking about the max. alts in a previous post. How can a single RL person/household have more than 6 avatars? Patrokulus brought up RL fraud to LL using multiple addresses. Is this what you mean?

I don't see how 16x max. corrupution is better than 6x.

Let's say your mom lives a few miles from your house. What would stop you using her name/cc and address to create 6 more? Now lets say you have a friend or cousin near by, now you can have 18 AVs.

If each AV can own 4000+ meters of land, one person could take up the whole sim.

Exactly. Of course now the person is either engaging in RL fraud or violating LL ToS. Another possiblilty is 2 RL friends. Although they cannot exchange passwords under LL ToS, they can basically agree on everything and thus control 12 avatars. That's the nature of democratic politics (RL or SL).

I hate tying anything to the amount of land held. That's a feudal or corporate shareholder system. Any non-fascist would be apalled. In fact, I'm not a big fan of owning land=citizenship but we must work within the confines of SL. I'd like to find a way around that one too (see below).

If you keep the NB system, there should be only a minimum of 16m2 and no real maximum amount of land you can own. You could limit the number of microplots owned to 1 per avatar and 1 per NRC to allow for new immigrants (which we did).

I don't really have a problem with one person taking up the whole sim. If you don't tie land to citizenship, I'm sure low cost housing or eminent domain would stop that from happening. Of course, why wouldn't that person just buy his or her own sim? The only reason I can think of would be to "take over" and restrict it to only "desirables".

Better yet, don't tie land to citizenship, tie $L escrow in the NB bank to citizenship.

I think there should be a maximum amount of land one 'person' can hold. At least when land is scarce.

I agree, using land holdings as a way to set the power structure is not what we are working for. The idea is to give the power to the 'people' and still protect minorities.

That's why I think the only way to protect the system from abuse is to keep the government honest. verify alts are not in control.

The way to verify no alts are in office is to voice verify. Unless anyone has a better idea.

If someone is going to cheat the system, they are going to try any means possible. What would stop a person from using more than one computer and altering their voice on different sessions of Skype? There really is no way to verify there are no alts without compromising privacy. You have to trust the people in your community to be honest - because, let's face it, Second Life is a place for people to be "anonymous". If one can't do that, then maybe a virtual government isn't the place for them.

They would need to be on more than one skype session at the same time if all official meeting were held simultaneously. They would have to speak at the same time. But I suppose they could have a friend do it for them. But if they used a friend that friend would actually be a different person and wouldn't be breaking the rules.

So you're saying everyone speaks at the same time? That doesn't seem like a very organized meeting

Can't really get around it. You just need a big gov't to mitigate the effect. I'll ask LL what the real alt maximums are.

Not exactly, but they will be expected to speak.

Here is an example, let's say you have an alt in another branch, you would be trying to follow both discussions, adding to both discussions and keeping up with what is being said. It would be very difficult to do both, or 3 at a time. Also, changing ones voice digitally is difficult. It can be detected.

Anyhow, the point is not that it will eliminate any possibility to cheat, but it will be a lot harder.

Not exactly, but they will be expected to speak.

Here is an example, let's say you have an alt in another branch, you would be trying to follow both discussions, adding to both discussions and keeping up with what is being said. It would be very difficult to do both, or 3 at a time. Also, changing ones voice digitally is difficult. It can be detected.

Anyhow, the point is not that it will eliminate any possibility to cheat, but it will be a lot harder.

We lock our doors, even though a robber could get in if he really wants to. We don't throw are arms up and say leave the doors open, they will get in anyhow. We just try to make it harder, so only the very dedicated robber will break in.

Ask LL what the limits were before too, because many have alts from before the rules changed.

A big govrnment won't help much, because by the numbers, one person could have enough alts to equal half the population or more.

Define corruption with respect to the aforementioned scenarios.

~Ulrika~

Well, stepping back a bit, if one RL person has alts in each branch of the government in an attempt to wreste control of the sim from the Citizens of Neualtenburg, I would have to say that person needs to get a Real Life.

I agree completely. But how does telling them to get a life protect your investment in N'burg?

There are people with nothing better to do. Look at all the viruses etc people spend so much effort creating.