Alts becoming government officials

Then it wouldn't bother you if I were refused citizen's rights for attacks against the government but came back as an alt and took a position in the government? That would be ok with you? Or are you viewing this through the bias you have for the one who is the threat?

5 per house hold has been the norm for as long as i remember...... since when can we have 5 per cc????? its been two for awhile now. 5 per address. have any where I can see this for fact. I interstedin it if you can did it up

It wouldn't bother me.

Let me get this straight. If the government decided I was too dangerous to be a citizen, you think it would be acceptable to hide my identity and come back to take a position of power?

Maybe we need to make a law that clarifies it. That when a person is denied rights, it includes any alts that person uses. In other words, the *person* is denied access to the rights, not just their current AV.

I think the law is fine as is --My point is that if you were banned once for being an asshat --you would either come back and stop being an asshat --or you would revert to being an asshat and then you would be banned again.

It's basically a non-issue.

Then why deny her rights at all. I mean what is the point of denying her access to citizenship if not to keep her out of office. I think the whole point behind the government finding her unable to become a citizen was to keep her, the *person* out of power. The intent had nothing to do with her AV, it was against her, the *person*.

The intent was to keep her from supposedly coming back and deleting stuff. In any case since I don't even think she should have been banned it's a rather moot point to me.

But then I'm not one for knee jerk fear mongering.

Well, I believe in the people who form the current SC to be thoughtful and fair. I believe they have the power to reject her from public service, and after reading the transcripts I would say their reason for denying her citizenship was to keep her from power, not to stop her removing objects. A complete ban would have been required to stop the removal of objects. That was the first action. The SC removed her ban and denied her access to citizenship only to keep her from gaining power again.

Sorry, Kevn --it's simply not an issue for me. An alt can't just saunter into the city and sieze power.

It is an issue for those with the power to deny her access, or they wouldn't have bothered.

it's also a completely wasted action from the point of view of preventing an alt from gaining acsess to the City.

The only practical use of banning Ulrika was to keep her from deleting stuff or returning to Neualtenburg with her "fame" intact if you will. That is all banning can accomplish.

Unless you are advocating the voulntary surrender of personal RL info to the authorities of Neualtenburg (I think you would find no support for that) It's a completely fruitless endeavor to even discuss this.

Sorry Kaz, I didn't mean for income verification to have anything to do with checking to see if an avatar is an alt. The income verification idea was unrelated to this. It was for testing creditworthiness in a business transaction. BTW is the current limit 2 alts per CC, 5 per household? What is the limit on premium accounts?


I think, unless anyone has a better idea, that the only way to verify an official is not an alt is to require:

Dean, All members of RA, and GM to be premium account holder avatars who each own 16m2 of (contiguous?) mainland. If you can think of some other UUID scheme, I'm all ears...

I don't think the SC spent the hours they did on this thinking it was a waste. I am 100% sure that they will remove any alts found to be owed buy her, if they find them.

I think she gave us a hint that she may indeed have an alt in a respected government position. She might even admit it if asked. Perhaps the SC will ask her directly.

I would think she would choose the RA, because that would give her power to write laws. But that is speculation on my part.

Look for relatively new members who are active, and who seem to agree with Ulrika on most issues. Someone who writes well, and passes up through the ranks quickly.

I'm sure the SC considered it a splendid use of their time.

I, Kendra Bancroft, consider it a waste.

But then for all you know -- I'm Ulrika.

ahhhh wait I see it now!!!

Ulrika is far too clever to do what you say as an alt.

If she were to come back, it would be as someone who writes poorly, has no understanding of the Constitution, and professes to be a thrall to religion!! Brilliant!!

You almost had me there, Ulrika -- but now that you have tipped your hand, I'm going to see to it you are banned!!!

Listen folks. I want to make it unambiguously clear, that I have absolutely no desire to return to this project formally. It suffers from institutionalized pirating, ineffective judges, illegal trials, and back-door politicking. The core of the project has become a bickering clique that is more interested in exercising power, avoiding blame, and taking credit then seeing justice done or following the rules of the government to the letter. I see the forum fragmenting. I see bills popping up for vote that did not have the benefit of public scrutiny. I see RA meetings scheduled at odd times that deny people their voice. I see empty seats that marginalize factions. There's alts pestering people in forums. Judges themselves are implicated in crimes. Communcations go unanswered.

Many of you have forgotten about justice, fairness, honesty, responsibility, truth, honor, and commitment (to name a few). Until you place these principles ahead of your personal desires, the city will continue to languish. Do you need guidance? Do what I did. Admit honestly where you broke the law (either intentionally or unintentionally) and try to provide restitution. Admit where the rules were bent to satisfy your own needs and bend them back. Stop focusing so intently on exclusion and work on inclusion.

All is not lost though. I'm taking the lessons learned here and applying them to the next generation of governmental projects. Some good will come from this.

~Ulrika~

P.S.- This is a very rare rhetorical work from me. Typically I'm very logical, however today you caught me in an artsy mood.

Yes, you taught everyone well. You set the standard.

Admitting intentionally broking the law is the first step, albeit a big one. Next is restitution. Stepping down was a good start, but one must credit that leaving with ones misdeeds.

So far, the victims have not been restored. Is there a planned settlement?

BTW, I like how this post is worded, didn't actually deny having an alt in N'burg. Clever, that one.

I agree with you. In this entire conflict with all the unethical behavior, creative interpretations, and outright law breaking, I'm the only one who has taken responsibility for my actions publicly. In regards to the remove of structures, I've even apologized, offering those affected full restitution in the form of payment for new structures.

I'd like to see other individuals step forward and do the same. It's OK to admit piracy is wrong, delete all items, and issue an apology. It's fine for an SC member to admit that a trial violated the constitution and that according to the bill of rights even foreigners have a right to trial. It's groovy, if someone wants to admit to giving folks a hard time as an alt in the forums. It's good for the city and good for the soul.

I am not an alt in the city and have no plan to become one. I am interested in moving on to something bigger and better after I lay Ulrika down to rest.

~Ulrika~

Gee, for someone who so directly states this, you've written an awful lot of posts indicating almost exactly the opposite, that is, a desire to remain involved, to continue to act like a virus one can't get rid of and to generally interfere with something that seems to have grown "beyond you".

Obviously, one much more famously eloquent than I once said, "Methinks thou doth protest too much." And in that protestation, certain motivations which belie the rhetoric seem quite apparent. Unfortunately, like a broken pipe, the rhetoric still flows unendingly, creating a quagmire that entraps all who venture near.

I know you, Ulrika, are not an alt in the city on N'burg. But do you, the person behind Ulrika the AV or anyone within the same town as Ulrika the AV, have any avies/alts that are citizens of Neualtenburg?

Thank you for your questions, Senator McCarthy.

You offered to replace homes and never did, I even asked.

You never apologized to me for deleting my posts either.

No. The person behind Ulrika has no alts in the city as citizens. This is because the person behind Ulrika has always felt that alt usage in general is to support nefarious activities in some form or another.

See. Isn't direct questioning so much better than passive agressive meandering? I know I find it less annoying.

~Ulrika~

You need to read the thread from which the offer came. In short, no one would agree to my terms of usage, so I had to withdraw the offer of structures. Instead I offered to pay for replacement costs without question.

That's because they're all garbage like the ones in this thread. You're always poorly informed and on the wrong side of reason. If every one of your posts disappeared tomorrow, no one would notice.

~Ulrika~

while this exchange is incredibly entertaining, as I'm all out of popcorn at the moment I'm going to ask that the combatants remain on topic and attempt at least the illusion of not attacking each other personally.

love,

Kendra. the moderator who shouldn't but seemingly must.