NOT GOOD
you will not be successful until you charge based on bandwidth usage like all other server farms
yes a base fee... and then some tier fees based on USE of assets not a SCHEME to rip us off
Fix the mainland Jack and we can talk
This is the same thing AOL did
in 1995 AOL needed X amount of dollars $$$ to upgrade the infrastructure. But AOL only had Y amount of dollars $$$ which was about 1/8 of the money $$$$ required to meet the needs of the planned and badly needed upgrades for the existing AOL customers
So AOL decided to spend X on a major nation wide television advertising campaign saying "AOL now 19.95 a month!!!!"
Well every one and their grandma signed up, and guess what the loyal and "connected" AOL users could not log in for weeks!!!
nor could the new people that had just signed up.
Now AOL had the money for the equipment upgrade and they profusely apologized to customers for "underestimating" the response to the special (sound familliar?)
AOL frantically spent loads of the new found cash on the infrastructure and in 3 months AOL was back to its same level of performance only with many more customers and a lot more hardware and bandwidth
AOL even placed some ads on TV again saying "Sorry we fixed it now"
OK I am not biting this sour bait at appealing the masses you guys are lame as AOL with this move..
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11-06-2008 08:02
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Vye Graves
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11-06-2008 08:03
"You see, I can. Why? Well, LL clarified what OS are and that four OS runs on one core. So everyone should know that this will also effect the performance." Should? lmao. Come on. Shall we apply that to the avatar rendering cost? How about next week they put a toll on sim handoffs based upon how much ARC you create? I mean, you SHOULD know that the more crap you cause people to download to their machines the more stress it creates on the grid. Please. We should do anything we CAN do so long as it doesn't violate the terms. LL in turn has the ability to limit use technically. They opted not to, and instead opted to DOUBLE the prims, cut the price by HALF, and then say openly we CAN use openspaces in those ways. They could have left people with what they bought and redefined a new service that would stop the expansion of the problem, but redefining what they already sold after collecting the setup fees is heinous abuse of their power and unethical in terms of business. |
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bo Heartsdale
Heartsdale Rentals
Join date: 15 Aug 2007
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ehm...
11-06-2008 08:03
I would never live on a OS, in fact i try to avoid OS, because all of them are too laggy, except the few with a forrest or water for sailing. Ehm... you did live on my OS, and after that on my SIM, both were laggy according to you... but don't say never, I know you didn't know it was an OS, but you did live there, full prims of your rental used  |
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
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11-06-2008 08:04
I don't get it. Keeping the open water for, well just open water...okay - I totally get that. Will the open water have less prims again? Makes sense to me. But the new Homestead - will it be 2 homesteads to one simulator? Or will they just pay more for the same laggy service? Yep water etc as a void less prims even that makes sense but at the same price of 75 USD well thats extortion and i imagine that people will just pay for the same laggy service with the homesteads and with again more restrictions and a 125 USD price tag, Hmmmm Extortion anyone? _____________________
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netrider Writer
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Join date: 26 Dec 2007
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Open space
11-06-2008 08:04
Well it still seems as a force leave from the openspaces. So it will be area's like in the movie I am a legend. Lot's of sims are already for sale. Many people will leave SL. It's already started. If this is the policy of the lindens, to help SL life to a SD (second death) than the started to walk the right way.
There are four questions: 1st: they should make the policy for use in the beginning and not after many months. 2nd: I have asked technical people to look at the open code and how heavy used are open spaces really. And they are not agreed with the reasons that the Lindens said. Could there be another reason to raise the tier? 3th: Who pays 29.000 L$ tier for just a park or ocean world? 4th: And the most important: what is happening with our purchase money as openspace owner. I payed a lot of money for my open space. Now I cant keep it bcs of the higher tier, are the Lindens 'man' enough to pay me back....? Or is my money starting to dissapear? It's is not right that there will be suddely in januari a new policy for existing openspace owners because we bought it including the policy from this moment. So we paid for these rights. So what will it be suggestions? 1) The Lindens contnuing there new policy starting from 4 januari and pay the sims owners there purchase money back. 2) Or the 'old' policy will be kept like it is now for this moments openspace owners, and the new policy will only counts for new openspace buyers and owners. One of these two options is reasonable I guess.....it's up to you Kind Regards, and hoping on a better solution, Netrider Writer (fighting for a beautyfull SL world) |
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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11-06-2008 08:08
The idea that "homesteads" become available standalone seems likely. Then it can be marketed as "We listened we cared" and quite possibly Qie gave them the idea in HIS post.
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Broccoli Curry
I am my alt's alt's alt.
Join date: 13 Jun 2006
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11-06-2008 08:13
The idea that "homesteads" become available standalone seems likely. Then it can be marketed as "We listened we cared" and quite possibly Qie gave them the idea in HIS post. I've been fighting for 'low use sims' to be available without having to own a full sim first for absolutely ages, tbh. It's up to them really, do they want some more income from people who want an opensim but don't have the money for a full one as well... or no income at all? _____________________
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
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Just for your info
11-06-2008 08:13
Topic Information
Topic #: 4051-4235 Date Created: 4/11/07 Modified: 11/6/08 Times Viewed: 48818 This is from the page explaining the OS - uses and standards Please take note if you will of the Modified date.. |
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Vye Graves
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11-06-2008 08:13
I think the current plan is fine so long as they continue to uphold the previous sales as they were made. I am not even saying they couldn't raise prices over time in keeping with inflation and cost of operation. That's reasonable.
That isn't what is happening here. They sold a lot of openspaces, and then either decided that they couldn't do what they claimed they could, or that it wasn't profitable enough for them. My suggestion is this, do exactly what you are doing now with new purchases of openspaces and homesteads, and LEAVE WHAT YOU ALREADY SOLD ALONE. Reassess costs as needed in a fashion that is reasonable in terms of inflation, etc., but teir in general for mainland, etc., isn't going up, so that isn't an excuse for this. The ONLY ethical outcome of this situation is LL keeping to the definition of the sims they wooed a LOT of people into buying between March-October. They were the ones that sweetened the deal to bait people in, they should not be allowed to switch their service once people are locked in. |
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Mephistopheles McMinnar
Be, or not to be...
Join date: 14 Sep 2008
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11-06-2008 08:15
LL has stung the general population yet again and as u have been around since 2004 I am surprised you are siding with LL  [...] But I still want to know do you own land in SL? PS: Your English is far better than my German [/QUOTE]Hehe, I'm not siding to LL, i only have a different sight. Each coin have two sides and many ppl want see only the side with numbers. And "no" i don't own land, i've rented some spots for my business but this isn't the same. Thanks for the compliment _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
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11-06-2008 08:15
Here's another world to have a look around in... and yes, it is a NEW world, so it's not as slick yet as SL, but given time, it will be.. a plus, they have a currency called Lunas: 3rdrockgrid.com Prices look pretty decent: All currency amounts are in US Dollars. New regions usually take less than 1 hr. to setup after your payment is rec'd. We accept payments via credit cards/debit cards using PayPal. Please note: A PayPal Account IS NOT required to pay using PayPal. PayPal E-Checks are accepted but take 7-10 days to clear. Region Types: WaterRegion is water only and cannot be terraformed. You will not have access to estate tools with water or mainland regions. 3xRegion - 3x (45,000) Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $25.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $65.00 Then each following month just $65.00 per month. 2xRegion - 2x (30,000) Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $25.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $55.00 Then each following month just $55.00 per month. 1xRegion - 1x (15,000) Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $25.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $45.00 Then each following month just $45.00 per month. .5xRegion - 1/2 (7,500) Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $25.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $25.00 Then each following month just $25.00 per month. .25xRegion - 1/4 (3,750) Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $25.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $16.00 Then each following month just $16.00 per month. WaterRegion - Water Only - 1000 Prim Region - 65536sq.m. $10.00 initial purchase Plus 1st month tier of $9.00 Then each following month just $9.00 per month. These Prices effective: 8/22/2008 All Charges will appear from Y-City Web Hosting Don't forget also http://www.openlifegrid.com 45,000 prims a sim and a growing user base 35,249 users atm. In fact now is a good time in my opinion to be looking around at these other grids and get one running alongside SL as you never know whats gonna happen here next lol _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
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11-06-2008 08:16
I've been fighting for 'low use sims' to be available without having to own a full sim first for absolutely ages, tbh. It's up to them really, do they want some more income from people who want an opensim but don't have the money for a full one as well... or no income at all? Until recently I'd have agreed in full. I just don't wish to waste any more money with this company any more. After the who the hell knows how much money over the years (which I enjoyed back then at least) I am going to be a freeloader for a while. I don't want to make my home here (aka pay £100 a month to stand around somewhere). I can do that for nowt _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
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11-06-2008 08:16
Don't forget also http://www.openlifegrid.com 45,000 prims a sim and a growing user base 35,249 users atm. In fact now is a good time in my opinion to be looking around at these other grids and get one running alongside SL as you never know whats gonna happen here next lol And you might even get listened to ... just a thought! _____________________
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Ariadne Barzane
Registered User
Join date: 16 Mar 2007
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Ownership vs Payor Information
11-06-2008 08:18
Out of curiousity, when the new policy goes into effect and the current OS sims transfer into the Homestead class - will the ownership of the sim automatically be transferred from existing owners to the payor??
For those of us who purchased these properties through an estate owner or third party, that question is of some importance...Anyone happen to know the answer?? |
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 168
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Right On!
11-06-2008 08:18
I think the current plan is fine so long as they continue to uphold the previous sales as they were made. I am not even saying they couldn't raise prices over time in keeping with inflation and cost of operation. That's reasonable. That isn't what is happening here. They sold a lot of openspaces, and then either decided that they couldn't do what they claimed they could, or that it wasn't profitable enough for them. My suggestion is this, do exactly what you are doing now with new purchases of openspaces and homesteads, and LEAVE WHAT YOU ALREADY SOLD ALONE. Reassess costs as needed in a fashion that is reasonable in terms of inflation, etc., but teir in general for mainland, etc., isn't going up, so that isn't an excuse for this. The ONLY ethical outcome of this situation is LL keeping to the terms they stated when they wooed a LOT of people into buying openspaces from March-October. They were the ones that sweetened the deal to bait people in, they should not be allowed to switch their service once people are locked in. Well said...thank you! |
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Aura Milev
Registered User
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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11-06-2008 08:19
They are raising prices, 20 dollars in january, 20 dollars isn't alot of cash. You have 3 or 4 less lattes a month. You dont eat out one night instead you eat at home. Ask yourself how much is your personal enjoyment worth. That is the question.
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Zanyrob Merryman
Open Space Abuser
Join date: 1 Apr 2008
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They keep modifying this ....
11-06-2008 08:19
Topic Information Topic #: 4051-4235 Date Created: 4/11/07 Modified: 11/6/08 Times Viewed: 48818 This is from the page explaining the OS - uses and standards Please take note if you will of the Modified date.. I read about open spaces from their knowledgebase BEFORE I decided to invest in one. Everyone likes to keep quoting their intended use from here as it stands now. This knowledgebase was also change in the beginning of October BEFORE Lindens made the initial announcement of the pricing changes. When I originally read it back in August it indicated additional and creative uses for open spaces too. THis text was mysteriously removed prior to the first pricing change announcement. |
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 168
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Reallly?
11-06-2008 08:20
They are raising prices, 20 dollars in january, 20 dollars isn't alot of cash. You have 3 or 4 less lattes a month. You dont eat out one night instead you eat at home. Ask yourself how much is your personal enjoyment worth. That is the question. Is that all you think they are doing? Just raising some prices? Oh my word! |
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Broccoli Curry
I am my alt's alt's alt.
Join date: 13 Jun 2006
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11-06-2008 08:21
Until recently I'd have agreed in full. I just don't wish to waste any more money with this company any more. Same position here; a reasonably priced product, together with a justifiable idea from me for the expenditure, and I'd be there like a rat up a drainpipe. However, given the way we've been messed about, with a mis-sold product from someone who didn't do their homework (or understand the popularity of such a product, and how most people think land is overpriced), I'm reluctant to entertain the thought even if they were now to become available. I've never understood why there's such a high setup fee anyway, surely if we don't want them any more LL just blank them and give it to the next person who places an order? No to any setup fees, and 50% reduction in all current prices, and I bet we'll see SL grow instead of disappearing up its own <0,0,0>. There's so much untapped potential in SL, beyond the myriad of boxy clubs, malls and 'home rentals'. Caledon, the sailing sims etc, are examples of what CAN be done - yet LL seem to be working hard to get rid of them and turn SL into "Commercial Life" instead. _____________________
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Mephistopheles McMinnar
Be, or not to be...
Join date: 14 Sep 2008
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11-06-2008 08:24
Ehm... you did live on my OS, and after that on my SIM, both were laggy according to you... but don't say never, I know you didn't know it was an OS, but you did live there, full prims of your rental used Hey bo! I've figured out after some days that I was on a OS, that and the fact that i need more prims was the reason why i moved to a different spot. You know my first home and I'm sure you know that i haven't heavy scripted things at my home. But when a TV needs 10 or more seconds to change the stream or a sit pose on my couch needs 5 seconds to load, this isn't really fun, is it? But i agree, you have well designed OS and your customers are happy to live there, i won't blame you! I also understand you and other OS owners, but i also understand LL. Both ways to communicate with each other isn't the best at the moment. LL posts on the blog like "eat or die" and then they row back and say "we listen to the community". Ok, they don't really listen, because LL goes ahead with the price plans, but i don't think that the last word is spoken. We should wait till Jack, M and others from LL have read over 1000 posts in this thread. _____________________
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The spirit I, which evermore denies! And justly; for whate'er to light is brought deserves again to be reduced to naught; Then better 'twere that naught should be. Thus all the elements which ye destruction, Sin, or briefly, Evil, name, As my peculiar element I claim. (Mephistopheles from "Faust" J.W.v. Goethe) |
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Ariadne Barzane
Registered User
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Business Opportunities
11-06-2008 08:24
For those business owners looking for opportunities to expand their markets....There is definitely something worth considering in the growth of SL alternative worlds....I can see that the OpenLife world is ripe for development and the marketing of quality goods and services will be a big business as soon as their $$ system goes up...
Let's face it...business owners that are not looking at ways to grow represent the ones that will soon by dying... |
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 168
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Exactly my Point
11-06-2008 08:24
I read about open spaces from their knowledgebase BEFORE I decided to invest in one. Everyone likes to keep quoting their intended use from here as it stands now. This knowledgebase was also change in the beginning of October BEFORE Lindens made the initial announcement of the pricing changes. When I originally read it back in August it indicated additional and creative uses for open spaces too. THis text was mysteriously removed prior to the first pricing change announcement. Quoting something that was not in place when we made our purchases is foolish at best! |
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Jingerlee Bailey
Registered User
Join date: 23 Jul 2007
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Linden Labs Protected Us
11-06-2008 08:25
THE way I see it is mostly the land barrons are affected by this, not the regular people trying to have a home, 1st because the only the rich were the ones able to buy them...due to fact you had to own a full sim to start with...Then they read the fine print, rules and reg--and still sold to others under false pretense, trying to make a fast linden buck..still placed heavy traffic businesses on them.........when knowing better---and linden labs should be thanked for saving us.... from these vultures! trying to get rich off us poor people.. Lets face it if you can afford 1-36 of them.. what is a few more lindens per month anyways!
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
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Dying Laughing
11-06-2008 08:26
THE way I see it is mostly the land barrons are affected by this, not the regular people trying to have a home, 1st because the only the rich were the ones able to buy them...due to fact you had to own a full sim to start with...Then they read the fine print, rules and reg--and still sold to others under false pretense, trying to make a fast linden buck..still placed heavy traffic businesses on them.........when knowing better---and linden labs should be thanked for saving us.... from these vultures! trying to get rich off us poor people.. Lets face it if you can afford 1-36 of them.. what is a few more lindens per month anyways! so Thank You linden labs! you did what you should have! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!..for the first time in days I've sat at my computer and just busted up laughing!!..thank you! |
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Vye Graves
Registered User
Join date: 22 Jun 2007
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11-06-2008 08:27
"THE way I see it is mostly the land barrons are affected by this, not the regular people trying to have a home, 1st because the only the rich were the ones able to buy them...due to fact you had to own a full sim to start with...Then they read the fine print, rules and reg--and still sold to others under false pretense, trying to make a fast linden buck..still placed heavy traffic businesses on them.........when knowing better---and linden labs should be thanked for saving us.... from these vultures! trying to get rich off us poor people.. Lets face it if you can afford 1-36 of them.. what is a few more lindens per month anyways! so Thank You linden labs! you did what you should have!" 0.o I mean, that's the first post I have seen that really, really made my jaw drop, even amid the LL cheerleading here and there. Good lord i hope that was sarcasm. |