Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Not just me thinking that then. I was pretty gobsmacked.

Maybe we should be sitting in our love machines too ... oh wait ...

the silence on plans for full island tier and grandfathered island tier is deafening.
ll are you going to tier-jack us on full islands next? is the other boot about to drop? should we sell off quickly rather than risk abandonment? you already devalued my undelivered island by $600, should i expect further devaluation in the immediate future?
so you really think this will push me to nautalis or whatever your latest gommed mainland estate is?

This was planned by LL.
Do you not find it interesting that they will not be refunding money spent to purchase them?
They have succeeded.
Would it not be interesting if someone had direct hardcopy evidence of this?
Even if most of the real world has no idea what Second Life is, everyone loves a nice conspiracy to watch on the news.

Long Live Cory (Linden) Ondrejka.

Well said

http://blog.secondlife.com/page/6/
Our growth was due to the popularity of our newly launched “Openspace” land product along with a change in pricing to make the purchase of land more accessible to first time buyers. “Openspace” regions are full 65,000 square meter regions with an upfront fee of $250 and a recurring monthly fee of $75

I don't think that's what Ciaran was referring to exactly, tbh ...

My situation is just like yours Jini…
I have 2 open-spaces and I bought my full sim when the price was high too and added the open-spaces next to it for limited use for tenants - 4 on one and 5 on the other.
I never had any profit from the sims - on the contrary - when I add it all up, the tiers I got in over time don't cover the maintenance fees and I have paid the remainder from my own pocket.

That has so far been ok with me, as it is 'a labour of love' and I and my residents have created a small, friendly, open community where we can live our SL life in peace and quiet creativity, away from the mainland and its welter of ban-lines, pushing devices, aggression and general messy ugliness.

The unnecessary introduction of VAT added 25% to my costs. I forwarded some of it as a tier raise, but had to lower the tier again, as the raise seemed to be too much for some of my residents and created several empty lots and a flux of people coming and going.

The raise to 95 $ (118.75 $ for me because of the 25& VAT) I shall try to forward to my 'Homestead' residents as a tier raise - whether it will be accepted remains to be seen - I'm not optimistic.

The raise to 125 $ (156.25 $ for me incl. VAT) will be 'the straw that broke the camels back' - and my back too... I shall have to abandon my 2 open-spaces come July.

I think the LL policy of introducing the open-space product the way it was done (I was here too) and then completely undercutting it, the way they are doing now, is despicable - there, I said it!

I would be happy with this


Openspace = 1875 prims. Script Limit: Limited Avs = 3-5 Price $50
Homestead = 3750 prims: Script Limit: Limited Avs = 10- 15 Price $100
Mini Commercial = 7500 prims: Script Limit: Limited Avs = 20- 30 Price $175
Full Region same as stands

Homestead on a *light* (ie need to be in a group not as owner)) rental usage
Mini Commercial and Full can be used for full rental.
No Increase on price for at least a year.
Set up fees as currently stand.

LL had a week to look listen and learn from this major blunder and total mismanagement on there behalf yet the "Boss' turns up re works the numbers to give pretty well the same result as the original grab for gold and thinks people actually believe this garbage ?

M Linden please take another long hard look and stop thinking all of us in SL are 15 years of age .
You just stated in your Blog post to us that you and your gang of henchmen wanted to work in with the community listen to and talk to us . If this is the case to be then why it is then you have gone ahead and made these changes again without talking to us only reading blog posts Remember there's real people here not just digital blips on your screen

Magic from Lindens I doubt it

Für mich persönlich geht es bei dieser *Linden Lab Politik* nicht nur ums liebe Geld. Es geht um mehr. In RL lasse ich mich als Verbraucher auch nicht verarschen. Würde es sowas wie eine *Stiftung Warentest* für Virtuelle Welten geben...
Evtl. kommt das noch, dann wird sich der einzelne user nicht positiv an LL zurück erinnern, oder?

Mir passt die Philosophie momentan nicht mehr, die LL vertritt. Das merke ich:
A: Ich habe selbst keine Lust mehr Geld auszugeben.
B: Wenig Einnahmen.
C: Wenig Antrieb, was Neues zu kreieren.
D: Keine Lust in meiner Freizeit angenervt zu sein.
E: Ich unterwerfe mich keinem Monopolisten, ansonsten können wir gleich wieder alle *back to the roots*.


Es macht sich jetzt schon der Frust der user bemerkbar.
Das bemerke ich und auch meine Freunde/Bekannte in SL sind frustriert.
MfG

Emo Biedermann

I'm still confused about the reason linden lab likes to rais the prices for open sims. It looks loke a big boom seller and now they want to make more money by this product?

Well something else, if open sims should be used for ocean or park land, why raising the prim limit? so people can place more trees on the sim?

When i see that open sims are getting sold so much, why don't see Linden lab that people love more space to live their life and come with a reasonable price. asking more for a open sim is possible like the $95/month, i still think people will stay at their open sims and new people will stil buy them but raise the rate to $125 it will kill the open sim spaces.

Linden Lab, your residents shout to you they like more space with less prims, PLEASE listen to them but don't KILL the business.

Zee linden told: the popularity of our newly launched “Openspace” land product along with a change in pricing to make the purchase of land more !!!!! accessible !!!! to first time buyers. Afther reading this i decide to buy(rent) 2 open sim spaces to start renting Houses. It makes it possible for startes like me to start my own business and now you are killing my business and losing the money i did invest in these open sims, cause i can't sell them anymore afther the bad news you send out.

The Homestead sim isn't a homestead at all. If it is, why does it need to capability of having events and classifieds? It has those capabilities, so it must be envisaged as being used for more than just a home.

LL has still got it wrong. If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of people use OS sims as homes, but LL hasn't come up with a home-type sim. The new OS sims would be perfect if they had a few more prims - 750 isn't quite enough for a home sim. The so-called homestead sim has more than enough for a home, but it's too high a price for one. There simply isn't a suitable sim for a home.


I'm wondering if the price hike is simply to pay for the new equipment - class 4s will be upgraded to class 5s starting in January.

I could handle below proposal :

full sim - 7500 prims - 150 us$/month - 2 sims on 1 QUAD CPU

wildcat furse

simply dont buy this so called "solution" cous it is non

here is Vienna, Austria, calling again...soorry for my not perfect english in advance, people.

Any doctor in the house?

Is that normal? To notice and announce a technical problem with an offered product and to not solve it technically but monetary, by slapping the customers direct into the face? If I buy a notebook and the akku starts to burn, then the company calls it back from hundreds of thousands of owners and they get a new one with a safe performance. The same model. Not a lower quality. For free. They're adding also an excuse. This is a thing called: service.

The letters of the word service are the best in the business alphabet, you know?!

Overload...

Obviously it is suddenly not overlaoded, if people pay more? So maybe my burning notebook starts to cool down, if I pay more to the selling company?

Hahahaha

Sure...and the planet earth is a plate...ya,ya.

Ok, the idea was, to sell the dust from the corner of the factory, to make also profit with any unused byte of hard-discs and processors.

This was a not so vey good idea from start on.

A good idea is, just to hold customers and to bring new in, to sell full functional products, for reasonable prices and affordable fees to them and NOT overpriced substandards like "open sapces" or "homesteads". If one likes to add some of the products to have a peaceful oceanview, keyword: bellevue..., or rezzing a crowded club or a mall, is then in hands of the customer.

So, sell just full products! Full mainland sims and full islands. Halve the prices and fees for all two products and good is it. Just that easy. Then we stay and new poeple coming in. Only then.

Because of the economy out there. Logical you like bleeding customers. As most companys like that. I am sure the best were, if we lay financial bloodlines direct to the lab and giving you full perms to our bank-accounts, hahahaha, so that the lab can take all and we get some dirt from under the fingernails for the money.

The global economy and the average salary of people is not in a situation, that we will pay more and more and more. No!

My gas and electricity provider sended me a letter: content was something like: "since the oil price market is jumping up and down and since the gas price is connected to the oil price (ahm, why? hahaha) blablabla, we feel forced to increase the quarterly fees about 30%, blablabla".

Meanwhile the oil-price is down on the ground and the company still wants 30% more for gas and electricity, hahahaha.

I wrote them back, that I only pay the reasonable price wich is connected to the falling oil prices - take it or leave it.

They wrote back, that they will stop the delivery if I do that.

I changed the provider, because there is competition in the market.

Now I have gas and electricity, for a 30% lower price

Funny, huh?

This is the good old voting with feet. Much of us will do that. Much. And new ones will not replace us fully. As soon they read the prices they will stay away. because the actual price-structure tells us: DO NOT TOUCH THIS - SIT ON YOUR HANDS AND UNDERSIGN NOTHING - except one wants to eat only bork and gras, just to have a piece of land in the game.

Doctor doctor, please
Oh, the mess Im in
Doctor doctor, please,
Oh the mess Im in
LL walked up to me
And really stole my heart
And then they started
To take my body apart

*livin, lovin, Im on the run
Far away from you
Livin, lovin, Im on the run
So far away from you

Doctor doctor, please
Oh, Im goin fast
Doctor doctor, please,
Oh, Im goin fast
Its only just a moment,
LL's turnin paranoid
Thats not a situation for a nervous boy

Doctor doctor, please
Oh, the mess Im in
Doctor doctor, please,
Oh, the mess Im in
But you look so angry
As I crawled across your floor
LL got the strain,
And I cant take any more

You cynic you lol

Moi???

4 x full sims with 180,000 prims for $230 a month

or

1 full sim with 45,000 prims for $75

No contest.

Lindens, wake up!
your product is nice and it is able to attract people, so many nice places, beautiful people with beautiful gestures like hoooooooooooooooooooo! There is no spam, no griefing, no camping, no ugly mainland, no disturbing neighbors or greedy landlords.
there are so many nice beaches with 1 prim Linden palms, there are beautiful shops where you can buy beautiful things. SL is a paradise. So, it is simply fair to pay for that paradise some money. a gold texture costs only 2 L$, this is too cheap. I can put gold for 2 L$ on all my builds, that is not fair, you should increase the price of this texture. It is such a wonderful place that SL, I wonder why there are still people who have a FL or RL. I just don't get this. Yesterday, I tried to physically enter SL via an USB slot, but I am too tall. So I decided to postpone entering SL physically especially as tha USB slot was connected to some hardware that just met the minimum requirements, so I was a little afraid if I might be boilt by the graphic card before I could physically enter SL.
So I chose to go the usual way trying to connect to the grid and I was so happy to be in world again to see all the beauty around me, the nice beaches, forests, jungles, castles, villas and hoping to see all my friends - ok, after some logIn failures -
period, problem is I haven't been in world for a while and none of my fridns was online. ok, may be wrong time zone, but I got an idea, I could send IMs: 'hey, I am here again, how are you doing?' ummmmm, no response from my friends. Ok, so lets go shopping and TP to some cool stores. TP failed. What happened to my fav shop? Gone? Ok, might have just have been a TP error, so lets try later and meditate 10 minutes in between. Fuck, the place where I loved to meditate was gone. Ok, a walk in a forest then. Gone! Ok, a swim at my favourite beach. Gone! Ok, another attempt: scuba diving an XXXX sim. Shit, poor me, gone! Whats left? Aaaaaaah, some escorts, some noobs, some griefers passed by, good! Some things survive!
Resume: all is going very well in SL, I made an analysis and found out that economy grows dramatically in SL. There is no recession in SL. Prices go up and more and more people come in and join. Each and every day thousands of new accounts that contribute to SL economy. Each and every day more people in world. It is such an excellent place to be.
I truly can not understand LL policy trying listen to their residents. LL, you need to INCREASE prices. You are absoluely on the wrong path if you try to listen to all these 'residents' that post in this thread. Your game is worth much more. 750 prims for 75 $? ridiculous. Get a live! 1 prim is worth at least 5$ a day. Guess you have the wrong business plan (if any), you really need to charge youre residents more, your game is definitely too cheap.
I saw a post in this thread where a couple spends 1000 $ (not L$) jsut to have some privacy and some more prims.....
I heard a rumor that RL people can live for 1000 $ at some nice places in RL with a beach, sunset view and even some people who care for them, i.e. cook for them, clean for them etc etc.
Get a Life! LL!
p.s. your product is nice and way too cheap

off topic....

found that when i was searching for the adresses of their board of directors to write them:

http://www.handsfree3d.com/

NOT BAD AT ALL ..... ^^

LOL it took them a week, to come up with a new name.

i think they actually load sims per core, not per CPU, IE: 4 open space sims per core 4 core per cpu = 16 openspaces per cpu... They run 4 normal sims per cpu one per core.

4 open sims per processor
1 core = one Processor
4 core processors = 1 cpu
4 CPU = one server
64 open spaces per server
16 normal sims per server

There's a connotation to the word "Homestead" that may not be evident to folks not from the US. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Act for a little historical background.

I'd venture to guess that this name signals that Homestead sims will eventually be available directly from LL without the requirement of owning a full-primmed Estate sim.

That's just speculation, but at least to these American-bred ears, "homestead" evokes much more than just somewhere to plunk down a house.

Carrying the speculation further, one might guess that the timing for making them available as sole sims in an Estate could come with the July price hike to US$125/month--which corresponds to the half-sim Mainland tier level where Concierge support kicks in.

Again, this is pure speculation. But it would be important planning information to have, in deciding what to do with existing OpenSpaces.

Hi Emo (english version below),
Ich hab Deinen post mal etwas reduziert. Dir geht es sehr wohl ums Geld - wie uns allen. Wenn Du genug Geld hättest, würdest Du nicht meckern sondern bezahlen. Aber ich verstehe was Du meinst, der ROI muss einfach stimmen und mit dieser Preispolitik passt es nicht mehr.

Du willst Dich keinem Monopolisten unterwerfen. Da stellt sich die Frage, wieso bist Du in Second Life? Linden Lab war und ist ein Monopolist im Bereich 3D virtueller Umgebungen. Die Erfahrungen zeigen, dass LL macht was sie wollen. Sie hören sich unsere Meinungen an, aber unterm Strich machen sie, was sie geplant haben.

Kleine Anmerkung: es ist eine schlechte Idee in einem Forum deutsch zu schreiben in dem die meisten Leser nicht aus deutschland sind.

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Hi Emo,
I've cut your post a bit to the important points. Sure you mean the money, like all others. If you would have enough money you would stop to moan and pay the bill. But i understand what you mean, the ROI must fit and with this price politics it won't.

You won't to knuckle down to a monopolist but in this case, why you're in Second Life? Linden Lab were and is a monopilist in 3D virtual environments. The experiences from the last years shown, that LL did whatever they want. Sometimes with a delay like now, but in the end they do what they want.

Little annotation: It's a bad idea to write german in a forum where the most readers aren't from germany.