How Many Islands have gone so far?

Which price change are you referring to?

The cut in the private island start up from $US1650 to $US1000 kind of stung, considering we bought our first sim very shortly before. But somehow we resisted the temptation to whine about it, understanding that LL is free to change their pricing at any time, Most subsequent re-sales of existing Steadholder shares have taken into account that 1/10th of a sim startup fee is now $US100

The way New Grayson uses sims, we understood from the get-go that an OpenSpace was not appropriate for residential use or for use of heavily scripted objects, and we do both.

The Conclave of Steadholders at one point contemplated attaching an OpenSpaces sim just for flying and sailing in, but we never came up with a funding scheme we liked, and we have plenty of vertical space to operate in for our flying needs to date.

We've always paid full-freight for what we do in-world, so I suppose we didn't "loose" (I'm sure you mean "lose" anything. There's probably been a slight increase in demand from folks who needed to replace primmage they'd formerly occupied in a OpenSpaces sim, but our resident population is not the usual mix; as you see from our charter we're a specialized environment.

If anything, the OpenSpaces brouhaha has the market for land in such a tizzy that I think a lot of folks are simply holding off making decisions until things stabilize.

Strangely enough, premium accounts do not come with some implicit right to all the resources to do whatever you want at a price you find attractive either.

If you consider "not having a right to all the resources to do whatever you want at a price you find attractive" to be "being screwed", then maybe you need a wakeup call, or an attitude adjustment, or something.


Well, I have to agree with you there. If free accounts got throttled first when the grid was under stress (as they should be), I'd upgrade to premium immediately.

I suppose by "real life" you mean "the parts of real life subject to governmental rent control". There are some places in the US that have rent control. By all reports it doesn't work too well. Refer to the Wikipedia article on the subject.

No I didnt mean rent control, "normal" increases are ok. I meant you cannot increase your rent by 67% in real life as people would be also pissed and look for another place.

I really wonder reading your comments what you would do in real life, if your landlord sends you a letter telling you your rent will go up by 67% in 2 months and btw..you will only have cold water in future.

Thats what LL did by increasing the tier by 67% and putting limits on them!

I don't think rent is a good analogy here. In Rl, everyone has to pay rent and utilities. (if you `own` your home, then property tax is your rent)

While in Second Life, you don't have to own property. It is a luxury. So say it is more akin to the government raising the tax on your brand of whiskey or cigarettes by 67%. You can simply stop buying it to avoid the increased cost...

Hmm, on the other hand, marginal businesses will get nailed. They will go from black ink to red. So maybe it is more like one of those `make money on the internet` schemes...where you have to pay upfront costs and ongoing fees for the promise of riches...

dont think housing is a luxury in sl, in real life you also have to work to pay your rent, same in sl. if you dont want to do alot you can just rent a skybox for 200 linden a week. if you just want to play around and have no home in sl thats fine, but if you would do that in real life too, you wouldnt be able to rent a home there either.

And if you rented an apartment, then opened a bar and a brothel in it and ran and extension cord next door because the jukebox kept popping breakers, the landlord might raise the rent too. More than "normal". Absent rent control, "normal" is decided by market forces. That's what's at work here.

People got pissed, looked for another place, and by and large ultimately realized that overall they had a pretty good deal.

I know, I know: *you* didn't abuse your OpenSpaces. It was somebody else. How unfair. But unfortunately there's no mechanisms yet to enforce then intended usage limits, obviously some folks felt anything they weren't *prevented* from doing was OK.

If the landlord publically stated it was ok to do that, posted in forums that it was ok to do that but said not to call him if you had trouble in your apartment and then said the price was going up because residents had misused their apartment he'd rightly be held up to ridicule and his tenants would rightly be annoyed.



Folks were prevented, the French people who complained they'd been told they couldn't use their Openspace as an unofficial orientation island were told that it wasn't fit for purpose to use an Openspace in that manner.

Back to that landlord, if he continued to sell apartments, continued to brag about how many he was renting out and then cried foul and pointed at the majority of his tenants, he would be highly criticised.

Most people didn't abuse it, and that LL themselfs sent an open invitation to abuse with doubling the prims and changing the rules for purchase and placement was told numberous times before already, too.

There's no mechanism yet to enforce the intend usage limits? In that case LL should install one instead of robbing all the people they first baited and then backstabbed. You don't kill a person with a disease, you try to cure him. LL (ab)used its position of power and showed very nicely just what those who pay there wages are really worth to them.

Yes your right,many did not abuse their OS's,i did'nt,only two avys use the island at all times.
I got mine when they were $500 with 1875 prims,now i have to go on this roller coaster ride that LL created and at the end of the ride i probably will have to give up my island
Or at least.when the increase kicks in,go looking for the best deal i can get,

So you are one of the few who still believes that the so called "abuse" was the reason for the price increase?

So tell me, why do we still have a price incease after LL put limits on them so they cannot be abused anymore???

btw..LL said you can use them for other than living in their KB before, so dont blame people to do what they are told they can.

Just exactly what statistics do you have access to showing she is in the minority????? Everyone I knew, knew what the Open Spaces were and were not for. Everyone else has just gotten tired of coming in here and arguing an argument that is mute. This is 3 months later, it has happened, there is nothing you can do to change it except to get into verbal sparring matches with other consumers. No Lindens are in this thread. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Second Life has not died, there was no max exodus in fact there wasn't even a tiny blip in concurrency. No matter what else, this shows people did not leave. LL is still in business. What is it you would call a win for your efforts in this thread? The prices are rolled back? Not gonna happen and everyone knows it. Linden Labs goes bankrupt and shuts down Second Life? No one wins then. So what outcome are you looking for except arguing with other residents that have no pull or influence with the lab.
Two choices that have any real impact. Relax and enjoy SL like it is and maybe find that the "other" people aren't so bad after all. Leave and go find something that does make you happy. The world is in bad enough shape without harping on history that will not change and making yourself miserable. Either way, best wishes.

I do understand that some people who were using Open Space sims like the Lindens originally specified were caught in the drag net also. I understand the shock and outrage on everybody's part, no matter how they were using Open Space sims. Just do not understand what is the goal of continuing the same old arguments and trying to present theories as facts after so long a time with no possible hope of gaining anything at all.

No arguments, even logical arguments are going to change the clock back. No arguments, no matter how logical are going to stop Linden Labs from doing what they want in the future. At what point do people decide to just get back to enjoying Second Life?

It goes on because it has'nt ended for some of us,everyday i go to my island,every day i still change/create stuff and everyday the clock is ticking as to when i might have to just give it up
No it's far from dead.it's on the mind of many of us as that clock ticks down every day,so don't tell us to not to think or discuss it
As i have mentioned i did'nt get my island when the rush was on,i got it when they were'nt popular,and because of LL stupid move i will more than likely have to give it up
No it's far from over for many of us,the most frustrated ones are the ones who used their island as they were intended
Everyday it is on our minds,sounds like you don't have a homestead and if you do, are not financially in a position to have to give it up.
No,,,, anger we feel to LL will not go away,it was a stupid,stupid thing they did,if there was this so called abuse,then take care of it but don't force those of us who bought your product in good faith because you offered a product we could afford,off their islands
Everyday i go to my island knowing soon the clock will strike july and it all might have to go,that we live with everyday, and the frustration of knowing we did nothing wrong yet are being punished as if we did

You quoted my post but you did not read it evidently. Where did I say not talk about it or think about?

You are expressing outrage and telling LL to fix the abuse and let you keep your Open Space sim under the terms you agreed to.

LL is not going to do that. That is the question I have been posing but no one wants to answer.

Do you think LL is going to change their minds? What is your goal, what are you trying to achieve, outside of just expressing understandable outrage? Am I a target because evidently anyone is that comes in and posts a contrary opinion. But we had nothing to do with LL's buisiness plan and we can not change anything. Do you think I can change anything?

Two theories were presented as facts and I asked for the documentation to back those theories. None was presented. And for the third time no one has answered the question presented. I can not change anything, do you think LL is going to change what they have already done?

The data I have is I am responsible for the IT in our group and we do also handle a network, would go too much into details to explain it here. But talk with any IT person and ask them if higher network usage shows significant impact on your costs. I also had one LL management team member confirming that to me.

What I want to accomplish? I want to accomplish that LL stops the second increase in July, with the limits they put on the homesteads there is not argument left for them to increase the tier in July again.

Jesse, I saw so many people loosing their sims which they builded in weeks, watching them staying up at night to work on it and after all their work they couldnt afford it and had to give it up. Now there are people who are suffering from the first price increase and keep the sims as they love to have their own place, but when the second price increase will kick in they will have to give up.

As long as LL doesnt stand up and says, now with the limits the homesteads they cannot be abused anymore therefore we will skip the second price increase, I will not stop on it.

Maybe you didnt have a homestead you lost or will loose in July to understand that.

They did change their minds in 2007 when they grandfather the excisting sims after they increased the tier to 295 USD for them.

That is a good question,LL is taking away my enjoyment of secondlife,so for me i will not be able to "get back to enjoying secondlife" as i have known it ,come july.
I have gone the route of renting a small lot with no privacy,that's why i decided to get my OS
$500 and 1875 prims was worth it to me to have my privacy.
I already enjoy secondlife,i don't have to "get back" to anything
But it is that ticking clock that is ever present that is going to strike in july and take away my secondlife enjoyment
We all eventually find what we like in SL,i found where i want to be\



Sounds to me you are saying people should not continue discussing it because it is all set in stone
Your suggestion is to just forget it all and say nothing because of no poss. hope of gaining anything,how do you know that
Do you have a crystal ball
I have always wanted LL to sell homesteads to non estate owners,personally i find nothing wrong with the $125 increase,that i can afford,i pay that now
I have written many posts in the past about that
With estate profits on top of the $125.then that $125 becomes approx. $150 and on top of that 21% exchange to US funds,then it becomes approx. $175 a month
If i could get my homestead for $125 i would be satisfied with that

Because the price reflects *actual* as experience is gained costs and market conditions. Further, they are not *immune* to further abuse, there are just *some* limits in place that were easy enough to implement. More are coming, as the tools are created to help people become aware of the server load created by their scripted objects.

I suppose you go down to the grocery store and the gas station and the power company and tell them they "can't" raise their prices, that it's "unfair"? How is that working out for you?

You don't have to "loose" it. You just have to pay if you want to keep it permanently rezzed.

Just like everybody else.

Be real for once Maggie, no grocery store, gas station and power company would raise the prices by that much as they would know the clients would just walk away, the only reason LL is able to do it, they have no real competion yet.

Guess what...not all people can afford the new prices!! I think your comment is way too arrogant towards people who save for their sim and cannot afford it anymore in July.

So you would tell all the millions of Americans who are loosing their houses in real life at the moment, you just have to pay for it and you can keep it.

Oh yes, the second price hike won't happen. They've already added value to existing owners by changing conversion to a full island from 4:1 to 3:1. They're also looking at making them three to a core instead of four to a core, this puts them pretty much back at square one so yes, they are changing their minds.