Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

The rationale for this price hike is not coherent to say the least. It was Linden Labs that offered incentives (e.g. doubling the number of prims) and now that growth has increased, Linden Labs is summarily raising tier by 67%, and is adding insult to injury by warning people to 'lightly' use the sims IAW the policy prior to Linden offering incentives. This is the corporate pay more for less routine that invariably backfires and ends up reducing revenue streams overall as customers get fed up and stop feeding the corporate monster. If Linden has any interest in promoting openspaces, several things need to be done to make them worth the new premium prices.

- Performance of openspaces must be no less than full sims except for the limits on prims. There must be no throttling of script performance and the configuration of servers needs to be identical to full sims.

- Linden Labs must offer openspaces without restriction of full sim ownership. Those who don't own full sim & rent openspaces from estate owners already pay a premium in terms of covering the owner's tier plus profit. It highly doubtful that renters will be willing to pay an extra $50 on top of that.

BTW: LL has increased the prims last time, but not the price, well, see it as later increasement of the price to the primcount.

The porimcount has been raised 100%, the price only 66%.

Dont cry about that, you dont have to play SL anymore.

Buy a whole mainland Sim and you decide how laggy or ugly it is.

cu
Aleco

Economic politics.
This can cause Mainland market move up and saving some resident's investments because of having old tier.But global economic crisis is still there and people are afraid to use their money again in somewhere. In my opinion,LL is in trouble with or without being monopoly.
High quality can keep existing residents and welcome new ones,but high pricing does opposite of that.So,why not applying more limits and choosing system upgrade way?

This is nothing to do with performance, and everything to do with LL trying to, once again, screw over the private island owners.

Abuse issues aside, look at how many open spaces are used as residential. Now look at the price of mainland per sq. meter vs. what island owners have to charge if they want to pay tier by renting (on a full sim, not an open space).

With all these open space sims suddenly disappearing, where do you think the residents will flee? Right to LL's mainland.

And why it is ugly ? because the estate owners (most of them) has made it ugly over years to get more renters on their estates !!

No, that's what they have always said, one core per sim.
The idea that a level 1 support tech might make a mistake is, of course, inconceivable.

I'm not attempting to exonerate LL of blame, by the way, I simply think that the particular objection you're making does not stand up to scrutiny.

How much money i have isnt really your business or how i INVEST it which i have in SL!
The point here who ever has invested like myself and consider SL as a business and spends hours making it grow feels very cheated.

and NO i dont have to buy the car nor did i have to buy 100 OS's BUT i did under the terms of 75usd tier not 125.00? how do they justify the price increase with no extra features?

He's a troll, just out to pee in people's cornflakes.

Is that this is their best product, and they are now killing it to protect products that people liked less.

sl is Linden Labs world !!
this was clear as the date you have register, this is clear in the TOS.
the users creates the stuff, the content, but lindenlab OWNS the servers.

you DONT OWN them !!

You only rent them, you pay the setup fee, NOT THE HARDWARE !!!!

you pay the managing fee, energy, keeping the system up, paying the employees and so on.

YOU DONT OWN THE SIMS !!!

SO LL can do what they want with them. When LL wants to shutdown SL, NOBODY can hold them from it, NOBODY !!

I have an OS sim because it is all I can afford. Its performance is 45 except during peak hours when it sometimes drops to below 40 in spikes because of the other three sims. It uses only half its prims and the avatar max is set to 15. I am quite aware of the problems with OS sims and have used mine properly. Now I will have to give it up because I rent it from someone else and she will give hers up because of the price increase, although that means rebuilding four sims as one full sim for her.

I want a no lag sim. OS sims will possibly be able to be no lag after this, and that would be nice for me. However, at those prices I might as well get a full sim. My landlady was charging me only what she pays, but she won't have OS sims to rent so I'd be paying rental prices for an OS sim, which I calculate would be at least 170 a month, if OS sims can be rented at all.

I don't understand the bit about owner-payor. I am renting my OS sim and am an estate manager of it. Will that still be possible? I don't want to read 19 pages to find out, so I will wait to see the answer on the blog.

Isn't there some way of keeping the price low for people who use the sims correctly? I am living on the sim and so are two other people, but that is hardly 'residential use' in the usual sense. I will have events there, but my group is such that events only draw 15 people. I planned to rent areas for larger events rather than holding them on my sim.

I won't wait past Nov. 16 to find out the answers to these questions. That's when my next rent is due.

I plan to send a copy of this to support.

It's not the prims, it's running twelve extra complete copies of the internal web cache, the physics engine, and everything else that goes into the overhead of running a sim.

I am shocked after the latest announcement on raising the pricing of Open Spaces. I read through the feedbacks, and I agree, that abuse of regulations should be punished or better instructions should have been given for use of Open Spaces. Myself I am a private owner which for the last 2 years have paid a tremendous amount of money to make and create a world for others to enjoy for free. I own 2 full SIMs and 8 Void Spaces or Open Spaces as they are called now. For this I payed mostly out of my own pocket, and only recently opened a shop on one of my full SIMs to get some funding for my projects. Our open spaces are used as they are intended to be, adding space and landscape. If this price policy is serious, then I will have to be forced to abandon much of my land, since I simply cannot afford that anymore, I might even quit SL. And I believe that there are many more people out there which are in the same situation as myself. A truly sad decision from LL.

In the current economic crisis, which we haven't seen the worst yet, I am surprised how a business like LL are handling their customers (old and new). People and also businesses will have to look at their expenses, and will have to cut severally to get through these difficult times.

In real life, governments are doing whatever necessary to keep business going, keeping people from getting homeless… This SL government is just doing the opposite. Does this means the end of SL? It wouldn't surprise me. This will be one of the ignitions in a negative spiral, people abandon or trying to sell land, or leaving SL, which again leads to less sales for the existing businesses, which then again will being forced to minimize or leave SL.

And I am not even talking about those values which are priceless… the creativity, the souls and spirit which people have used so much time on to create and which have made Second Life to what it has become…

This is really sad, and it makes me mad…

Shouldn't we discuss in the german forum? I'm afraid you misunderstood something...

cu
Aleco

Plus can you trust Linden Labs not to suddenly bump the tier up there too...well can you?

Trust in them is dead...

Any corporate user would surely have someone scouting inworld or scouring the blog/forums to get an idea how stable/trustworthy, and straight a supposed company they are thinking of dealing with fares...I know I would

First they came for the Casinos, but I didn't run a Casino, so I said nothing. . .

Then they came for the Banks, but I didn't run a bank, so I said nothing . . .

Then they came for the Extortionists, but I wasn't an extortionist, so I said nothing . . .

Then they came for the Advertisers, and I screamed and screamed, but no one was listening . . .

AND NOW THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU!!!!

Who's to say mainland tier won't go up next...

I have often over the past two years wondered if it was possible to form a group/community with the intent to support each other against LL's own Business schemes in favour of our own. Land owners uniting to compete and promote against LL with ad campaigns such as "Dont Buy MainLand" and "Reasons to support Independant Land". With connections in Advertising and many independant SL businesses supporting The SL community rather than LL.

These ideas forming after the drama over SL5B where it was clear SL is no longer about its community but prospective business. I think i read then that next year a celebration of SL was to be organised without any help from LL, a move i plan to fully support if im still around.

It all comes down to how many of us userbase are actually aware of whats going on and are prepared to help each other take action. I've seen my small community in SL come together and do some pretty amazing stuff in SL for the sake of their community, and ive seen lots give their support too. But for the entire community of SL to come together and actually out right force LL to change their minds? what are the possibilities? a No Login day ? our own mentor group to inform Newbies of LL and their fatcat ways, quickly pushing them towards Independant Land? Online advertising campaigns telling potential customers a truth about LL promoting indepentant lands and communities as better alternative to the uncaring LL mainland.

Anyway just an entertaining thought.

While I'm not trying to paint LL as Saints, I will dig out my "poor business planning" brush for them. Naive? Yeah, maybe that one too. Lack of forethinking? Oh yeah, most definitely.

It IS possible that they increased to 3750 prims because they "wanted to do something nice" and it backfired.

I also recall an exploitable bug that allowed for 3750 prims -- so weren't they just "playing along" instead of fixing it?

The increase allowed LL to see what people would do, and how far they'd bend the rules.

Are they malicious crack dealers? Possibly, but I don't think so. Mind, maybe I've spent too long in the catnip.

And finally, I just want to say that I thought it was possible to add prims (non scripted) to beautify land without impacting the resources. Would it not be conceivable (maybe) that LL wanted to encourage further beautification allowances for OS owners in compliance with the original intent and use of the OS regions? 3750 prims is a lot to make something pretty for a region intended for low use and filler space, and I think that would be just grand.

Let's just hope they come out with a true light use option, reasonably priced, for those who've created something fit for OS. I'd hate to see a loss of all those stunning creations because a few "bad apples" spoiled the cart.

Well, I am glad I read this 2 days prior to me spending money on an open sim....125 a month plus the up front cost is too much to justify a private home.

I foresee a lot of people saying screw it and then Linden will be loosing money.

If people are abusing open space sims then the proper method would be to confront them and not just screw everyone over....

Way to use em and lose em LL! Wow. Just Wow. Don't we all just feel like a bunch of lemmings? Well those who took the bait anyway.

WRONG SO WRONG!!! This will not end well.

buy mainland and you have: lots of ugly builds, lots of banlines, lots of adds, lots of malls, lots of lag.

buy land on an estate sim and you never can sleep well. why ?


"oh, i dont want longer play sl, i abond my sims and will leave sl" the simowner said.

"oh, where is my stuff, where is my home ?" the renter said.


Read the forums, this has been the fault sooo many times. buy your land on estate sims, but dont cry when its removed or deleted. its all by you.

With economic failures across the world, this is a suicidal decision for lindens labs.

Just my opinion, but what do I know?