Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Well, I guess there goes my home. Only used by me. Not over used. No parties. No clubs. No shops. No scripts going haywire. Just a place to sail and script in peace and quiet.

I put a lot of work into it. It was exactly what I wanted and now I have to let it go.

All because some people got greedy and split up the OpenSpace sims and rented out the land to people who mis-used the land as if it was normal land.

Thanks. Thanks a lot. I mean it. You just saved me 75 a month because I'm not going to spend that money elsewhere in SL.

Maybe LL should be looking at why there was such a demand for this and solving *that* problem.

This is absolutely ludicrous.

I share a openspace with one person. On the openspace are two homes and mostly open water, as well as some architectural and terraformed details.

There are never more than 4 people on the openspace at any given time, and script load is essentially nothing.

So because someone is trying to run a club, a mall, or other high lag endeavor on an openspace, the rest of us who use them as lovely places to have isolated quiet should pay?

This is an absolutely horrendous decision, and I don't know why I bother to be surprised. It's not like you can't look at your server logs there and tell which sims are bogged down and which aren't. Always looking for a reason to wreck it for no reason. Awesome.

Jack,

as an owner of "residential openspaces" I understand the issues here and I spend a great deal of time managing the script time (the single biggest issue I think)

I'd love to have the tools to help myself see http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2755

The price increase is going to hurt me, but it'll promote the proper use of full sims and may actually be a good thing.. I'd love to see a half-way point though.. how about the NEW openspaces only having 2 per CPU @ 150 and 7500 prims and void openspaces with 4 per CPU for $75 a month and 1500 prims

That way I can expand my main sims borders with the $75 sims and present nice beaches and other "common use" facilities and still get "light use residential" out of my $150 superopenspaces.. leaving my main sims for heavy use scripting skyboxes and such

The rapid increase in voids obviously indicates there's a market out there.. how about you consider that midway simtype to help fill it.

This sucks because there are a lot of fair landlords who offer smaller players a good deal. This is nothing more than exploitation of an established resource. I love my open space, it never lags and I'm proactive with script times. What exactly do you hope to achieve with this apart from upsetting a huge number of your customers who pay your wages.

Still say the solution to the complaining is to cap scripts and avatars on existing open spaces who request it at the current prices. By creating a two class open space system it would reduce the effect to most consumers, except those who are abusing the current setup.

Ok, this is sooooooooo not good!! First of all, LL has devastated the land economy and land owners trust with flooding the market with cheaper sims and then watersims.......we had 23 sims, almost half abandoned!! Now, you are quickly raising the tier on watersims.....so THAT means, our watersims will be quickly abandoned, except for the one we have that paid a year in advance because we TRUSTED LL to think that the watersim concept was SO new that not much would change in 1 year! I know the answer to this is to be out.......good luck LL, I think you are cutting your own throats, slowly, and have cut many who have followed your flow of business all along. I just feel bad for those who were high investors in land. AT LEAST you could have grandfathered the watersims, or given more notice than 2 months!

I await a clear, explicit description of allowed use, and the tools (as a sim owner) to measure my sims.

In the absence of criteria and tools, owning an openspace sim becomes a game of chicken with Linden Research.

Add to that if if it wasj ust Primsi t probably wouldn't be a problem The problem lies in scripts, textures and nother resource and bandwidth hogs.

The intended use of these sims was ALWAYS very visible on SL.com. It was made very clear they were not intended as a place to "live" or host your business. If you chose to ignore the warning then you have only yourself to blame.
For those who DID use them properly I'm sorry for your loss, it's a shame it had to be done this way but I can see why. The aim is to get rid of the abusers and discourage any more from coming in, the unfortunate side effect being the loss of the legimate users.

This is unbelieveble. Most everyone complaining says that Lindens is screwing up cus you folks bought the land for development when this was not the reason why Openspaces where developed.

Start putting the blame on where it belongs. But don't blame Lindens for enforcing the original idea. Understand if all you complainers used the Openspace as it was envisioned and defined, you might not be seeing this messge from Jack in the first place. So sit back and think for a minute who really is to blame.

Gets off his soap box.oops falls down on ground instead. OUCH!!

Way to go LL...if you are trying to force out the average Estate Owner, you are doing a great job of it. In today's economy there are not many who will be able to absorb this kind of increase in operating costs!!! I think you are probably going to see a whole lot of people abandoning this world altogether!!!

OK,so how about we all go to OpenGrid Sims, and do it properly!!!, for example, a full region at www.avatarhangout.com costs 50$ for a full sim, to estates only (who then can market it on for what they will, there is no mainland except 9 welcome regions.

Yes it may be alpha software but is that not better seeing as it is improving so fast and almost all functions are working?

sorry for the shameless marketing, but i think this is the way forward.

This is another way to penalize estate owners. Those of us leasing opens spaces to others may very well find white elephants on our hands as the current residents are unwilling to pay the increases and vacate. Maybe we will be able to rent these to others...maybe not. In any case we will be stuck with unproductive tier payments until things sort themselves out.

Of course, this will not prevent rentals from occurring. It will just be a different arrangement with the open space residents. Since you still need to be a full region owner in order to own an open space, many potential open space residents will still need to find an estate owner if they want them. We will find a way to accommodate them.

The bottom line is that linden labs is severely limiting the use of open spaces. Demand will be significantly reduced. The comparative advantage of mainland and large parcels on private regions will be increased. This is a re-enacting of the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs. Linden Labs just opened up the goose.

gh zhaoying
CEO, WatersedgeSL Enterprises

OK. Well, as much as I and my neighbors love our three quiet adjoining sims, you can be assured that we will not accept this increase. and will hit the abandon button. I am constantly amazed at the way LL treats its customers.

I just offered my renters a 12 month contract at 90 dollars a month... so I didn't have to worry about anything... so I was giving it to them cheap. Good thing no one signed up for it, or I would have been screwed...

I actaully want refunds on my sim now please. If you are going to change the contract, I would like my money back...

I have 6 open sims, and can no longer afford to have them at these prices.

I want all my money back from each one.

Ok, this is obviously bad and looks terrible for current owners (like myself). I have avoided these forums, but why can't you just say "ok, your openspace only gets 1/4 resources" like they are supposed to? Raising prices means either 1) you cannot manage your own resources or 2) need an excuse to do so. I look forward to an explanation of which one it is.

I've long been a proponent of LL and SL. This is one decision I'm not sure I can support and will affect my future opinion and business recommendations on LL.

Sorry, you lose my vote for president due to this.

MM

For the first time in 18 months, I have serious doubts about the leadership of Linden Labs and the future of Second Life.

And for the first time, I can envision leaving Second Life behind.

congratulations, I'll be tiering down immediately. First you change the fees to a lower price after we had originally bought the Openspace sim, and now you complain that people took advantage of your underpricing the market and want to jack up the price. What an incredible show of disdain for your residents.

I concur, as the person who owns and (successfully) runs a full sim and is the one who set this Openspace up for Rosie. It is a beautiful and private place that she has created, for herself and her partner and a mutual friend. An occasional friend, perhaps two. No more than that.

I just set up two Openspaces just two weeks ago, each one for one person to use for themselves. And now they have exactly two months to enjoy them before they can't afford to pay for them anymore? And this after they paid $500 total to set them up?

I believe that anyone who has purchased in the past three months deserves at least a partial refund, if not a full refund, of their setup price. Anything else is, quite plainly, theft of hard-earned money at a time when people can scarcely afford it as it is.

Thoroughly disappointed. I've enjoyed my very well managed openspace but I cannot see being able to afford it for long.

Please search inworld for group -SOS- I'm trying to get a petition together, maybe people power works?!

OK, for all who forgot what Openspaces was meant for... read on.....

http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/09/21/information-about-openspaces-void-regions/#more-326

Dear Lindens,

You're frackin idiots. I'm taking my money elsewhere.


Tybalt.

(and by Elsewhere I mean OpenGrid. While yes it's in Beta and primitive it doesn't make a habit out of butt raping it's customer base)

I think you have made your point very clear in all the posts that you've made on this thread.

Now allow those of us that have actually used our sims as community resources for sailing, flying and other terms of recreating, make our points too.

Thank you.

If you're going to screw existing customers over, probably forcing them to ditch their sims and lose their capital, at least focus more on OGP so we can run away from it.
Then I can rent my own dedicated server and put on my own sim at a fraction of your prices.
For $247 a month I can rent out a dedicated server with similar specs as the one you just mentioned, with a $97 setup fee.
If I were to implement the same pricing structure as you I can receive $2000 a month from one server, with $6000 in setup fees.
I could also get a dual-core dedicated server for $119 a month with no setup as well, which would have more power and it's still cheaper than your OS sims.

Obviously this does not take into account administration and server management, which in this scenario would have to be done by the owner alone. However, which option am I more likely to take as someone who pays for an open-sim?
It would create a market in techs who can manage OpenSims that's for sure, and I'd still be getting more bang for my buck.

Please work on OGP more if you dislike us, then we don't have to bother each other.

I would also like to know, since the payor can not change, which means we cannot now sell our openspace sims , are you going to be refunding our set up fee? I won't hold my breathe.
I can not even coherently express how angry this makes me, to jack up our monthly fees because you find yourself incapable of supporting the server space you sold or enforcing the rules you set in place..it's just the last straw.