Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Exactly, why should EVERYONE have to question what they want to do on their own land?
Seems to me land owners make what they want, people decide if they want to arrive and stay... seems like a very simple and easy concept.

It's funny that all this about protecting the potentially offended.

... meanwhile, every single adult , or mature, or xxx type person in SL was just offended today by LL for banishing them to the outskirts of the community.

Good point!

It's amazing how I must actually look for adult content on the grid if I want to find any, yet there apparently is an epidemic of people that see it everywhere they go in SL and cannot get away from it. Truely amazing.

the clearest problem with this is one of making claims. You claim an area is free of adult content, when the assets are worn by us and carried in our inventories. This makes griefing a lot easier and wholly more disturbing.

As long as user created content itself isn't flagged, which would require insane amounts of moderation not possible in anyone's reality, how can you make said claim? all one has to do is toss on an attachment. Drop a prim, set off a particle bomb of nasty photos.

IRL if someone drops their pants to your kid, you can call the cops. Here, he's banned and back an hour later on an alt. The problem isn't adult content. The problem is making some sort of, sorry, half-assed claim of an area being free of it. It's an unenforceable policy so long as we are free to make and wear whatever we like, wherever we like with no technical restrictions.

SL has no way of judging whether an animation, say, is adult. a collection of prims could be a necklace, or genetalia. You can't tell people a place is "safe" from such things with no way to enforce it. Why try?

I will obey whatever rules LL puts in place, but you can bet literally thousands of people will make it their hobby thwarting and griefing this policy. I really don't understand why anyone would imagine this is possible at all.

There are some things here that simply don't add up. If it's merely 2-4% of content this move makes even less sense.

So will LL come clean with their motivations and goals as the only motivations and goals I can see are so that corps and education can take over the mainland, they could cure a lot of their ills by purchasing private estates, they could also campaign for their own continent, both of which are far more sensible solutions than this.

I don't frequent any dens of iniquity in SL unless you count my workshop where the odd nude skin might be in the process of being made but as an adult I am extremely uncomfortable with this kind of policing of content in a program which is meant to be 18 plus, and states it is so when you sign up. In fact after more than 4 years in SL I've never stumbled across anywhere that is particularly explicit and any Gorean sims I have ever visited have been very prettily built and full of clothed, incredibly polite people.

I do not understand the idealogy that insists that grown ups need to protected when they are perfectly capable of tping away from an area they don't want to be in or, heaven forfend, close that little X in the corner of the window. I know that there are people who are very offended by a nipple but actually a nude body isn't anything indecent but is simply how we are made. Nudity doesn't have to be sexual, indecent or offensive. I might be offended by spiders, all those legs you know, but are you going to make them all register for a spider licence because I don't like them? Do we ban Michelangelo's David from our sims because he has his kit off or is he a work of art? This kind of thing just feels very unhealthy from a human nature aspect to me and I don't want to see SL nor the internet generally to go in this direction. People don't need to be protected, they need to take responsibility for themselves and for their own children.

As the owner of a store which sells skins, among other things, I can see this becoming a big headache for many reasons. If we are flagged as mature do we then exclude all those people who do not wish to verify because they don't feel a need to go to strip clubs and yet might want to purchase a skin? If we don't display nude images in our vendor pics, do we still have to be flagged because the skins themselves are anatomically correct? Its going to get complicated.

I feel this is a strong move towards bringing over the teens another change I'm not happy with, if I want to spend quality time with the kids I'll switch off and go do it and I'm not sure I want them all over my work or leisure time and space online! There are tons of alternatives for the under 18s and I like that SL is a grown up place to be. No matter how well thought out the plans and proceedures are deemed to be I think that officially allowing children onto the main grid is a powder keg waiting to blow and a strong potential for a lot more negative press for SL.

Again.. This. If this thread is anything more than mere window dressing, you should really consider this.

I will believe this isn't about merging the grids when Phillip comes in and tells us point blank that he's going back on what he said in this interview:



http://www.metanomics.net/transcript011909

Either they are fibbing now, or they've changed their mind. It seems an odd coincidence that a few short months after he said that, we are seeing this. If that is true, and they think this farce is good enough to claim parents can send their kids here safely, they really, seriously need to rethink things.

I'm back! Just got off the bus. Wow - the forum sure got busy in the last 4 hours! So I guess this is as good of a spot to start as any. I'll try and answer a few questions tonight and then during the day tomorrow.





Good question: Failed logins would redirect based on preferred maturity - instead of dumping everyone to a PG region. This should help curb the AR's.

SL is turning Disney. What the... No more sexy chicks around.. no more fun clubs around.. now I can AR everyone who has adult content in their payed picks (great revenge tactic.. as my ex said).

And it will mean I gotta have to give a sh**load of alts payment info since I got no interest in hanging in disney world. Hey! But I see a great buiz for noob residents... reselling full perm sexbeds to no-payments!

I think that may be part of the problem. This new batch of Lindens seems to be rushing head long into repeating the same mistakes that were made by the old batch instead of learning from those mistakes. Those that cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I'm not a happy camper. The people that built this place, that made it what it is, they are the ones being displaced. Why not make the newcomers build something of value for themselves. Why go with the land grab. Make a new gleaming sanitized continent. Give them something to strive for, like we were originally given, at least until "your world your imagination" became "our world, our rules".

[Edit: getting rid of some admittedly inflamatory rhetoric, because it was un-becoming. Promises to try to be civil going forward]

Are there going to be cam limitations? I mean, what keeps someone from camming into adult content? is the way sims are situated going to change?

question:..as the only store owner on a private sim that sells skins (nakid ads), while other stores are cars and clubs which are pretty much p.g...i take it the estate owner either has to change the whole sim to mature inconvienancing the other store owners on the sim who can get away with a pg rating thereby restricting access to their businesses, or do i have to cover my skins and set my parcel to pg thereby not entirely destroying my business(people who buy skins Want to see all they are getting), but putting restrictions on me for being creative and being a part of the business that helps keep s/l afloat..or will it make the sim owner force me out to be able to keep his pg rating all because of a vendor ad that isnt depicting any kind of sexual activity but by being non clothed warrents a mature parcel rating....am sure thousands of small shops are in my situation..

As if you had not expected that.. 0.o *sarcasm*

Yikes! I'm logged into SL listening to my music stream while reading this blog and it suddenly occurs to me that someone might consider the music offensive. This whole business is becoming Kafkaesque!

But whose everyday life, seems to be the big issue. The everyday life of churchgoing farmers in Illinois? The everyday life of male strippers in the Castro? The everyday life on the grid of teachers, librarians, educators? The everyday life of latex makers?

Whose everyday life gets the nod? What we each see, and accept, as standard and everyday varies *widely*.



If you hold to this, I'll likely have little problem with it; I don't have any desire to play with kids in any world, virtual or not, if I'm thinking of traditionally "adult" activities. Where I worry is in the definitions--like the decades-long tangle in America, still, over what *is* and is *not* obscene.

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This is a better question for the other thread but I can try and answer it here. There isn't anything we can do about camming and draw distances. The Adult continent will be placed in a spot where this won't be an issue.

I keep hearing "the adult continent" which sounds a lot like "this decision has been made and is not up for discussion."

If that's true, can y'all please just come out and say it? The openspace pricing fiasco also provoked a HUGE reaction from residents screaming "NO!!" which were all pretty much totally ignored by LL. Please just tell us if anything's still on the table or if LL is talking at us, yet again, instead of with us.

to sum up the problems i see:

a) unless things are geographically separate, people can see adult material from pg sims. the first thing they will do is put pr0n ads at the edge of adult sims to lure people in. anyone who thinks the RL pron industry doesn't work to get their ads in front of the prudish and underaged is too naive to be on the internet at all.

b) We wear and carry our adult content with us. As long as i can build and attach, i can make adult content. Add unmoderated uploading of textures and it becomes a farce to pretend that you can make adult content geographically limited. Where i go, my inventory goes.

c) "Adult" is pretty relative. If i show up to a PG educational meeting in a thong and electrical tape, i am technically PG. If I show up in latex fetish gear and a whip, i am probably more covered than the average girl at the beach, but parents/prudes will still say i am not PG.

I vehemently believe that making claims of safety that you can't back up is asking for doom. An adult "continent" doesn't address private sims still accessible by the search, still viewable most likely from non-adult areas. IF, contrary to the claims now contradicting Phillip's interview less than two months ago, they are really thinking about merging the grids, then this is way more of a liability issue.

Doing your best to keep kids out is one thing. Inviting them in with some sad promise of safety is quite another.

I bet there are a lot of shops in this situation. The easiest thing would be if the estate owner kept the region at MATURE. Why would they change it to PG? I would contact the owner and see what their thoughts are and explain to them your concerns.

Hi all

i dont get the half of this discusion (my english is not to technical)
together with my wife we made an "adult" forest in a mature sim,we warn people that they do enter our place with a welcome message and in our rules (so they decide to walk into our forest or not).

can someone tell me in normal simple english (or rather in Dutch) if we will have to move out from there?...we just finished our place because we had to move out of our openspace.

are we gonna pay more to have our place?
do people have to pay to get in our place?
does LL tell us what to do (and when) please inworld?

oh by the way LL is it not better to make the grid more stable instead of thinking of new rules? , we try to run our business but its hard when there are 25-30 people and no one can even move one foot..

Im scared LL will ruin our business (again) with the new rules (please correct me if im wrong!)

i hope to get a simple reply on my questions

Greetings : Travis Olbers

a not have right as youve seen theres lots of specualtion everywhere...but is my understanding so far that unless your verified access to estates that are rated mature will be restricted....so therefore a sim that 90% pg would make better business sense to stay pg, than to be mature...

Has anyone considered the Grand Theft Auto situation in this? The same with Oblivion's situation with modders.

It seems to be common practice to blame user-made content on the game that allows it to be created. I find it difficult to believe any system like SL, which allows unmoderated creation of material and animations, and can't stop us from wearing it where we like could be any better off than Grand Theft Auto was claiming they can't control what their modders make.

Right now, SL doesn't make claims about safety. It's 18+. Making claims of some faux safety with these kinds of controls seems a farce and needlessly inviting some senator(s) to talk about you in front of the press to get his blurb next election year.

No sooner do I promise to attempt civility, than this gem gets posted. Nice to know that none of our very reasonable suggestions will even be considered. So perhaps you should start by letting us know what actually is up for discussion, since apparently the ghetto is happening no matter how many superior and reasonable alternatives we suggest.

So how long until furries, goreans, child avatars, and anything else that isn't a well behaved, normal adult human is forced into ghettoes of their own? As for those of you among the user community that support this. These people are coming for your freedom, and you are welcoming them as liberators. Wake up and smell reality, because you are probably next.
Prepares to be processed along with the other freaks.