Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Motivations and Goals

Beatrix, i have nearly 4000 items on my land, shall i look for all if they are named with a bad name ? for sure not. my boats and ships has sofas with balls, i bued them like they are, they arent mod, so i cannot change, do i need to flag as adult?

what LL is asking for and some puritans in here too, less.people, is written without brain.

let the people stay at pg sims, so they will have only the chat and voice, nothing can stop that for them.

Mael, why send away the mayority from sl? EU has the biggest community in sl

i am from europe, i dont pay vat, because i payall in Lindens 150 euros a month

Last I heard Stroker's Ball is no longer a part of SLCC at all. He was considering sponsoring something at the Tea Party in Las Vegas instead.

I've posted before and I've read thru 15 pages of this - my eyes are giving out reading the postings, so I will just add in what I feel is necessary at this point.

I see no problems existing except in the narrow minds of the prudish people who do not wish to see or participate in adult activities. Therefore, I suggest that if those people do not wish to see or participate, then just leave the area. Better yet, leave SL and go over and join Disneyfied sanitized IMVU. There you can consort with children in a children's atmosphere.

This cannot be accomplished without hurting many people. And, that 2-3% supposedly that is in violation - I suggest that it is actually only 2-3% of the people within SL who are opposed to adult-natured sims, products, activities; and, yet, those same 2-3% will ruin the adventure within the realm of the virtual world of SL. How pathetic.

Again, if those who wear their morals on their sleeves don't like it in SL, then get the devil out of Dodge. Go to IMVU, NeoPets, or any other child-friendly site - and stay there.

I'm English myself - if people are coming into sl illegally or those who dont pay are spoiling the pleasure of those who do then too bad.... instead of making those who pay suffer shut out those who dont.

In the meantime let Lindens set up 'nice world' free to all - no 'naughty stuff ' allowed...

perhaps at the same time they can set up a giant atmosphere only planet where we can fly without crashing every time we hit a boundary...

I see no problems with seperate worlds with seperate rules. Of course that might take more technical effort and time.

Here here!! Bravo!! *clams her hands and chears*

I didn't say anything about sex. Did you?



OK, a couple of things.

First, I know a few kid avas and I appreciate the difficulty you guys have in certain areas, this being one of them.

Here's my logic. You are role playing a KID. You are role-playing an UNDERAGE PERSON. In that light (and this is strictly my opinion), you have NO business being in a mature sim whatsoever!

If you tp into a mature sim you're not familiar with, you should be prepared to come face to face with mature content. If you are not prepared to face mature content, DON'T GO.

Here's a suggestion - when you travel to unfamiliar mature sims, don't be a kid. Problem solved.

Mael, what means naughty? my bikini on my beach? the nude-club, where i go when i like dance naked? or the people who harrass me too, wearing an erigated penis and spray their cum on me?

when that happens, i have 2 choices, kill them or leave the place .

i didnt had that in over 2 years in my time in sl, once, the guy wears a banana now, btw, it was a child.

but there is no matter to me, merge teen-grid and main grid.

as long, as parents didnt have a control over their children, its their problem. i also dont understand from what people at a xcite store ask me for my gestures, because their rl-childs are in same room.

In my opinion put the people who run the raglan shire regions in charge of 'nice world' and make Wynx Whiplash president then everyone can be a tiny and have fun with no naughty business whatsoever...

everyone knows tinies dont need to be x rated to enjoy themselves...

i´ll leave here now, because sl is back

I'm talking about stores and whatever. i mean are your adult posballs public in regards to your sim or is it in a private home? I and many other people do not belong in a private home unless we are invited or live there. if I was invited to your sim would public sex be something you allow? if not its not a huge deal. I know enough to be wary of pose balls.

I'm just saying if you have genitalia for sale etc I don't belong there. but if its not listed and i find something like a pirate blunderbuss for a good price in search and I tp there that's my main problem. I'm really sorry I mentioned it once in the pre login linden survey thingy and stirred up a huge hornets nest but this happens to me. contrary to the last linden post I heard I can be banned for being around it in my current form.

a lot of places aimed towards us are not set in pg sims so us segregating us too is just as stupid as the "lets move everybody around, that'll make them happy" idea. I never wanted everybody to move. I just wanted them to look at their search engines and see how mistakes happen and fix that. I never dreamed they would take the stupid route.

You know what the real problem is here? That Linden Labs has absolutely failed at the marketing of their game. You want proof? The have tried numerous marketing ploys over the years, pretty much all of them have backfired- sure a few people have met the person of their dreams, sure some have actually gotten to where they can make a living in world, sure there is probably like one person out there that gives a crap that you can go to virtual museums and universities (lol,what a loser that person is)....but it hasn't brought home the big bacon like real MMOs generate, not even close....and what's worse all those marketing strategies have brought the very "problems" that we are discussing here about.

SL could be marketed as the most limitless video game ever, a game where you go from slaying dragons one minute, to being a navy seal the next, and then too you can be Rudolf Valentino in Lawrence of Arabia later that evening...all in the same game.

This is what I do in second life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNDVbtQzbfM

As you can see from the clip, SL can and does function very well as an online gaming platform....and let me re-assure you, yes what I am doing in the clip is way more fun than anything you ever thought was possible in SL before today.

People don't get into an online experience like SL so they can hang out with their mom or do more schoolwork.... people get into an online world like SL to have a good time.... hopefully someday the people who run Sl will understand that like the rest of us do.

It's amazing how this is being twisted on the side of those who disagree in blanket fashion. There are no rights being taken away, there is no loss of freedom. Instead there's a more well "adult" approach of handling adult.

There is an amazing trend of folks in the adult industry to not only take little responsibility for their actions within their communities. Those of you who claim to be responsible in the adult ventures should be applauding this extra layer of protection.

Let me lay some realities on folks.

This is not LL bearing down with some large moralistic views on anything adult. If anything LL is far behind the rest of the internet and certainly real life with adult requirements and restrictions. If this were a website run by an adult company, any of you "models", "escorts", dancers in clubs ... would be required to register your proof of identity and age with the company who hires you and these documents must be readily available to law enforcement agencies. Something few of the "professionals" and adult "companies" here comply to, I'm sure. Each member would also be required to sign up via credit card. So this is nothing but catching up with the rest of the word in that regard.

Another reality is that North Carolina in the US just passed a law making it illegal for sex offenders to frequent a social networking site that also allowed children to sign up. There were over 2,000 sex offenders found registered on social networking sites in North Carolina alone. So sex offenders registered on SL is a distinct possibility. This move makes it easier for LL to help find them and work with legal agencies. If you don't see this as a good thing, you're just not thinking responsibly in my opinion.

If adult merchants are really serious about being responsible, then they should get on board and help this move cleanly instead of endless complaints. If even 10% of the folks said they were uncomfortable with adult content in their face, it should be a serious concern to merchants. Do you care about your pocket or the issues more?

This topic has really worn me down. I honestly don't understand what it's supposed to fix, if the adult content is really as small as represented. If there's such a tiny amount of adult material, then why is such a enormous effort being undertaken to move it?

I'd say it's like using a massive crane to move a feather, but it's worse than that: it's like taking the IDEA of moving a feather with crane and talking it to death first.

Ok I have read even more and I have decided from what i have read that the issue is being miss understood a bit.

1 LL states it is making an attempt to control public display of objectionable material to some people that have raised this as an issue. good plan and it is a responsible action for any company to take.

2 Many of you need a better understanding. SL is not a world. SL is a group oa servers displaying 3D internet content to web browsers.. Merging the teen grid with the main grid is not going to save them money or allow them to claim growth that is NON existant.

3 LL have already made their decision and the changes will happen. They just want to get an idea how hard they can F*** people during this drastic change and not lose more customers.

4 Giving users a way to filter content and improving the accuracy of the search engine is a good thing for all users of such a vast database (if it worked better it would be nice as well HINT)

5 making a rating system that allows users to be relatively certain that they could open up a LL browser or a 3ed party browser and access the SL grid form an Office or Family environment with out being concerned that Joe Blow will not TP in with a 4 foot flailing cock attached to a naked avatar is a good thing.

6 Thinking that only 4-6 % of the content in SL is considered adult is a Forking Joke I am still sore from laughing.. Most of the women dress like tramps and if they came to an office environment dressed like that in RL they would be sent home. Think about it ladies.

7 Who the fork are you? LL to tell me that sex a natural part of life is adult content. Violence to me is a much more offensive issue look at sick lad in Germany that just killed so many.

8 Requiring 2-4% of the population to change the location of their server files or modify the content to suit a set of rules you will ultimately have to define is a serious impact on the data set / SL content as a whole (as if it were only that small of a number) my own study shows that 40% of every bed I have ever clicked on will rez out a group of pose balls and allow me to gang bang an avatar.

As I stated a rating system is needed so I can bring real world business to SL and be assured that I wont expose a suit wearing investor to BDSM gang bangs.. or a self pleasuring hermorphodite.

I Have a SIMPLE answer...

Merge the Teen "G" rated grid with the main grid! That is not an easy task but it is possible.. Add a filter to the browser so that users can refrain form going to PG and Mature content rated locations by choice. (OMG a conservative that is pro choice imagine that)

Allow sim owners to choose from G, PG, and Mature rating for the sims / servers they operate.

Enforcethe rules for public behavior you already have in place.

Abandon the farce that you can age verify anyone. I will NEVER give you my personal information.

Allow users and parents of young users the natural ability to choose the content they have displayed to them selves and the family.

Use all those empty unused OS servers you have to make a new continent for users wishing to create and display Mature content that are currently too close to a PG Sim on the mainland.

Offer Mature Private Sim owners that are currently adjacent to PG sims the ability to move their location on the main grid FREE of charge to a new location.

Give them 4 months to move and make it FREE you money grubbing service providers..

Allow users to right click and choose from the pie menu "report abuse" oh wait you already do that.. Dose it get used often?

I would just have to make minor changes to my Sim to make it "G" rated but what is to stop a group of voice users from popping in and going ballistic on some poor Revrend Mother Nun visiting form my Sim from Teh Vatican..

Nothing

All you are trying to do her is merge the teen grid with the main grid that is backward. Merge the main grid with the teen grid.

I would imagine that many if not most of the real world business here now (whats left of them) would want to switch their Sims to G rated.

The new Mature continent you make will be a great place to troll for sick stuff... and you can just say a virtual earth quake hit the rest of the mainland and your mainland rebuild project will go smoother

The new "G" rated continent I would imagine would be a very popular place indeed.

yeah kids shops/playgrounds/sims are often mature because adult avs are the ones that play/rp/buy and wear the stuff then? and normally when I travel to an unfamiliar sim I'm usually helping some noob. sorree. if I know I'm going to encounter stuff my character shouldn't be around I do change characters. again I'm not responsible for corporate stupidity. it was their idea to move everyone.

yes but while everyone is focussed on this they aren't demanding more in world stability, lag issues to be tackled, the old problems with transparency textures, crashing on reaching borders, tier charges, not being able to pay in their own currencies etc etc....

and on top of that theres not one forum but FIVE to go through....

Im sure these and many other issues would take priority for PAYING customers over protecting people who shouldnt be here anyway....

If you think about this logically, you will realize that a sex offender (and here I'm talking about potential rapists, pedophiles etc.) using SL to find potential targets is much more likely to hang out in an unverified account around PG areas where people aren't expecting to meet someone who in RL is a sexual predator, than give a traceable identity to LL in order to go to an adult area where the people are going to be more on their guard due to the nature of the surrounding activities.

Matthew

This is true. However, in context of what I'd said, that's over 2,000 less in North Carolina that did use their real names and were removed, about 6,000 sex offenders were removed from Facebook, and this is just the tip of the iceburg. It won't stop the anonymous ones, nor stop them from frequenting PG areas, this is true. But it has proven to deter thousands from being able to operate in a "legitimate" fashion, which does slow them down a bit.

Like the adult solution overall, it's not perfect, but it's analogous to this:

We're putting out a fire, and we have a bucket with a leak that only allows us to get to the fire with just a half bucket full of water. Folks complaining we shouldn't do this because it's not perfect is like saying we shouldn't try to put out the fire because we can only get half the water to the fire. The argument, if you'll forgive the pun, doesn't hold water.

I just suggested a rating scheme that replaced "PG" with "P" for "professional" and "F" for "family". It sounds like you want the "professional" environment, since "family" includes swimsuits and other clothes that are not appropriate for the office.

I have read this description of the new definitions ... https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

Mature:
"For instance, social and dance clubs, bars, stores and malls, galleries, music venues, beaches, parks, and other spaces for socializing, creating and learning all support a Mature designation"

PG:
"For instance, institutions such as universities, conference organizers, and real world businesses whose users may not wish to view or interact with the broader Second Life experience"

Does that mean that there can be no dance clubs, stores, music venues, beaches or parks at PG sims anymore ?

Can any Linden answer that for me ?

Like the USA?

How about the opposite...we protect ourselves from child molesters by not letting children or child avatars to be allowed in SL.....that's the way it should be.

That article now reads:

Since I am an adult and have been for quite sometime now, I like to think that I can make a choice as to the content I wish to view/hear/participate in. Afterall, making choices for ourselves is part of being an adult. I do not need the Lindens, anyone else, or even a platform for that matter, to protect (censor) me from explicit materials. I am aware that there is a very handy teleport option built into the viewer, as well as a power button attached to my computer that I can press at anytime I feel uncomfortable with something on my screen. Funny that it is much more difficult to turn off the Real Life switch.

It seems to me, a lot of time, money, and energy is being thrown at this 2-4% of the community that is supposed explicit content. In addition, this 2-4% of the community has managed to hog all the media attention as well as shoving themselves down the throats of some of our more sensitve community, while at the same time managing to scare away big potential corporations and new players. That is very impressive for such a small percentage of SL. All sarcasm aside, when asked about my experience in SL, the last thing I'm likely to mention is anything having to do with that 2-4%. There are many other wonderful and not so wonderful things about SL that do not involve anything explicit.

I'm aware you are making these changes regardless of community input, but here is mine.

1) Fix the filters already established in search, which should have been done a long time ago.
2) Stop trying to Censor SL.

Many of us have explored other VR's, myself included. One of the reasons I am here and not there is because of the freedom to explore explicit content as an adult within SL, from the safety of my own home, if I so choose.