Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Yes, if you are not in on the ground floor of this, you are screwed. Also, there is no mention of equal land for equal land. I am on a protected ocean border and I want to stay that way. Will they let us do that? Still, they have not indicated where we can sign up to be an adult...which I thought I already had. I just wish they could understand that this is a bad idea.
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Did you look at the inworld date or the date on the forums? The date on the forums is just since the date of the first post on it. My forum date lags way behind my account creation date.

He said then, he is new. Free account. Still starting to explore more and more. 2 months old. But strong oppinions. Very. But isn't it the same with all babys? Think on how they yell, if they are thirsty or hungry. Very strong and straight characters!

(Naaaaah, it was a joke Alexander, a, joke, take it not serious! Do a good or bad one on me too occassionaly, np)

<grins> No offense taken. Besides, the same can be said of old timers

Hopefully not, as some people do it 'just for fun'. A furry friend once decided she was going to fashion a collar and set the controls to me. I am not into it (and I assume not her either from what I have seen). Since I have some friends who are I at least have a vague comprehension of some of the concepts though. Which means I immediately IMed a domme to ask her if this person even knew what she was requesting.

Hey, why does the event posting form still have the check box:
Yes, this will be a mature event.

The events I am posting should defiantly be checked:
Yes, this will be a "Adult" event.

Oops! Maybe we need both!

Come to think of it search should have PG mature & Adult check boxes.

True, but there are two key parts to SL contracts... one is for the property within SL and the other is for use of SL in the first place. As the use of SL is an ongoing rental service, I am not sure that LL can be obligated to continue any given rental contract. Such an obligation would be problematic as it could result in the contract being one sided the othr direction. The most reasonable remedy in such a case seems to me to refund the money for the land, ie toss the land purchase contract out.

If the contract was for a fixed duration and/or involved LL providing completing a specific task then performance of that task could be enforced, but in ongoing situations like this, my understanding is that the contract is usually just tossed out entirely and monies ordered refunded.

Agreed. People wear collars all the time RL as a fashion statement. It is not considered indecent. It may not conform with the dress codes of some schools and/or businesses, but those are internal dress codes that do not apply to customers or non-students/facilty.

All my other questions have been ignored by Blondin and this thread has finally descended into irrelevancy to the situation we are in theory discussing.


So, I have one final question before I put this latest action of LLs in the already overflowing bucket I have marked "LL shoddy business practices".

Blondin,

How is LL going to notify people that it's time to get on the consignment list?

A straight forward question that should be - by now - simple to answer.

I feel my life is ebbing away as I read this thread. It's just another LL timewaster and your overpriced, shoddy platform already wastes enough of my time as it is.

You just tell me how you'll notify me that it's time to move and I can get on with my life secure in the knowledge that LL will probably cock that up too.

Blondin:

Though a lot of my questions have been answered, there are still some much lingering and important ones that still need answers, I will keep them short and to the point as I have posted them many times.

1. Will all Adult places be bunched together or seperated by housing, I feel as though we are well spread out now across the mainland grid and it is economical suicide to place all the clubs, malls, and sex clubs right next to each other. As of now there is not one functioning club/mall/sex club for many many regions/parcels around us. Can you ensure me that if we have to move this will remain the same? It is not right to locate someones competition right next door to them, nor is it economically feasible.

2. Malls/Sex Clubs/Clubs already have a lot of scripting on them for pose balls and vendors - what steps are LL taken to ensure there is no more lag after putting all this together on one place? If there is more lag when this is all done, what will LL do to correct this?

3. In the event all the places are bunched together and our now successful club declines and is unable to relocate all the vendors, as previously stated, we WILL loose vendors in a move that is not handled solely by LL, what kind of discounts or compensation can we expect to receive? All money paid to LL is based on our success and does not come directly from our pockets, if we fall short because of a move that you suggest when we are already successful and able to do so now, what kind of grace, discounts, or compensation will be given for this, surely it is not expected we take losses here?

4. Who will get priority in picking a location, if I have to move I would like water on our land as I am sure lots will, what will be done about this?

5. Seems like all the businesses, sex clubs, sex object builders, and those that simply enjoy sex (smiles big) are going to be effected by this move, does this also include the person that lives in their own house (that they pay tier for) who want to enjoy sex with someone? Are they subject to the move as well? To say that someone having sex in their private home is any different from dancers stripping in a club is different just is not so, I have walked upon some houses where people were in open chat having sex and it was worst than anything I heard coming from the club.. Sex is Sex.. no matter if in a private home or in a club, beach, or whatever...

6. Isn't this an adult game? And if your opening it to a family like situation aren't you opening yourself up for more liability in the long run, wouldn't it be easier to make a family version just for families like there is on the teen grid? Would it not be easier for all involved that the new area be soley PG?

7. Is LL aware that their upcoming changes may also effect others decision to remain with Secondlife when there are two or three other upcoming places just like Secondlife that they can go to and not be under all of these rules and restrictions. The Sims online started doing this and they lost everything and it is now closed. Maybe LL should check out http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim:Grids before forcing changes upon everyone. Think of all the unhappy people leaving here and going to one of these upcoming places and how it could explode over night. I think your weighing a lot on the loyalty of your users to not leave SL with these changes. But if enough of the people are unhappy with the changes, and decide to all leave to one of these upcoming sites, where would that leave LL?

Please provide me with answers here to these as I have been asking with no answers. Thank you for the answers you have provided to some of my questions, I will need to get with you to evaluate our land and see if it is one that has to be relocated as well.

Summer Golding....

8 answers a day huh???? HOW many answers should that be and yet only 16 exist, sorry but I think this has been open more than 2 days... (NO I DO NOT COUNT THE ONES YOU SLIDE IN AND ANSWER AND THEN LEAVE AGAIN AS NONE OF THEM HAVE ANSWERED NOT ONE OF MY REMAINING QUESTIONS)

Could it be that my questions go unanswered because it shows the exact amount of double talk, lies, and confusion based on this whole decision your making????

Let us answer questions we feel comfortable with and continue to ignore the ones we do not, and easily act like we just did not see them....

Well, two can play that game, when you make your cahnges I choose to ignore you too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll second that question!
Also what is the actual expected time frame?


I also have another question:
How will odd sized and disjointed plots be handled?

I have several standard 512 plots joined,
but also have a bunch of scattered small pieces in the same Sim.
These were purchased to add Prims.

Will I get one consolidated parcel? Will this be handled by individual plot?
Do all the plots need to be joined before this happens?
(They all are under the same group ownership)
Will I need to or be forced to round up or down to the nearest standard size?
And if so how will this be handled? What are my options?

btw. the D does not stand for domination. It stands for discipline. Although the community has been hijacked and distorted by those who have a taste for D/s, it's not actually part of the acronym.

Ok, one serious thing too:

What will be with poeple wich chosed perfect conditions before: i.e low lag sims, waterfronts, not much crowded, specific landscapes and whatever comfort, even those who own there only a part of such a paradise sim. Will they get the same conditions on Ursula? I mean...your core sentence on this is that you want to make the SL experience better...for ALL of us, right?

When I look into my mirror I know one, who has a smaller part of a sim, but the neighbor sims has protected waterfronts, I am at a protected waterfront too, a second protected waterfront on the left side, even the front sim corners touching just protected waterzones and: much water behind my lots, kind of a lake (linden water) a yacht haven (one owner one yacht) 2 small bungalows, no high buildings, all tastefull, a bit abandoned land around, ready.

I create art wich is sure adult.... in any meaning, plus buildings, plus interior wich is sometimes, well, adult and while all that is in a high stadium of developing and 75% ready for exhibit,, advertise and sale, I see myself moving, or an obligation to move...

So, where is the guarantee to find the same conditions there because my land was extraordinaire expensive, because of its quiet ambience and beach layout?

I want not to be deplaced into an ugly, laggy, overscripted, glowy, crowded and whatever uncomfy environment without a beautiful horizon on all sides.

My biz partners (group) own a similar and much bigger kind of the similar well chosen environment, even half water, half beach on a sim nearby and some of my premium alts too...

I am not going here into detail, but you can think on something in direction early Tomi Ungerer art and such, or also kind of much more detailed Jan Saudek style ... - and all sorts of alternative adult art, not cheap old trash, but often prudishs killing (no, not mature - it is adult...) explicite in their details - plus specific items and whatever may come to our mind sometimes.

Maybe the one or the other event with special selected guests too. Vernissages for example and who knows how the party goes...

Thingy is flexible and on U. we are on the safe side, right?

Hm. But as longer I think...

I have a feeling, that you won't make us happy then, LL...,or?

I wonder how you will satisfy all deplaced and forced to exile people? How? And: when? We need to plan NOW and carefully!

Thank you, Blondin. Please make sure that is clearly defined in the policies for this set of changes.

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On the other hand, this is an extremely apalling reply, Blondin. So you're saying that if, after the mandated moves are done and individuals can by land in Ursula, speculators swoop in with their land bots and buy 100% of the available land in Ursula and choose to demand insanely high prices for it, Linden Lab sees no problem with that extortion? When it is the ONLY option for those who want to run an adult business on the Mainland? Does ANYONE in authority at Linden Lab have any sense of ethics at all? It appears from your reply that the answer is NO.

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Milla? What kind of happy pills are you on? You really think the same scumbags who run the land bots won't scoop up all the sims at auction, if that is the way the Lindens sell it, and do the same damned thing? Why *shouldn't* a land speculator pay 3x as much as any sane deveoper would pay at auction, when they can parcel the land and demand 100x the rational price for the only possible land for Adult activities? And LL says they are OK with such rapacious behavior? A "responsible" land baron would not bid as high as the ones who will jack the price to the sky, because a responsible land baron knows they can't price the land fairly and reasonably and make a profit. So the ones that are willing to stoop to extortion will win every auction.

And if some gracious land baron *does* win an auction and make reasonably-priced parcels available in Ursula, you think the land bots won't be there to scoop those up in a heartbeat?

Yes, there will be some private sim owners who will be willing to flag sims as Adult and welcome "Adult Refugees". But most of those who own Mainland have their land there because they REFUSE to have any other Resident as their "Landlord"! So for most of those on the Mainland now and forced to move, or borderline and wanting to maintain full use options, the Private sims are not an option.

BDSM and D/s are different maybe this will also confuse the LL

Look, Linden Lab - the quoted poster is right, because it is so - one example: in Germanx, Hamburg, exists a social project, or better to say: a semi-private project, where an extraordinaire high-class hotel is driven by unbelievable nice and kind of disabled people with down-syndrome, if anybody knows that kind of being a bit mental limited, but not limited in being active in life. This thing runs perfect since years. Some are doing the paper jobs, some are doing the bookings, some are cooks, some are in service and room-service and so on.

I can ask them 500 questions a day and I get 500 reasonable answers.

This said, I see a discrepance of abilities here....cynical said, because the peeps of LL has no disorders, but seems they act as if ....

I was once guest there at that Hotel, because it is a well driven so very friendly and well equiped hotel and even biz people and artists booking there rooms, occassionaly or frequently because it's perfect managed, all by people, men and women, with down syndrome.

What do we have here? An international company equiped with academics and full healthy peeps, self-confident until into their bones, often enough cynical until into their bones - and they are unwilling or unable to answer a serious amount of questions. They COULD do 500 questions a day. Or are they so weak and unprofessional to be unable to do this?

So, you are right: the 8 question thing and this only all 48 or 60 hours, along a full month now, is ridiculous and complete unprofessional and nothing than one of the much upper-cuts we have to eat here each day.

Beside that fact, that they ask their paying customers holes into the bellys, instead of delivering a high-class excellent service, ready thought and ready developed for their paying and not rarely long time and mountains of money paying customers.

The way this goes here is totaly inacceptable.

A bunch of coordinated working staff has to appear here immediatly, and since it is a major change, the bosses has to appear here too! to explain finally their ominous criterias and their obscure program to us and since we are all in different time zones around the globe and since we have to plan (PLAN) something for the move, a qualified and authorized staff has to be here for us 24/7! With exact and reasonable answers and all possible support.

In other words: I agree with you, Summer.

Edit add: and I want to see some Linden staff expressing, explaining and doing service for that thing in all the other forums here - down at the frontpage of this forum, are the italians, the spansish, the germans, the koreans and the japanese -and they do know nothing about the planed change.

So, move some staff there, to tell them the situation and to help them too! Damn! Be fair! You have international customers to serve! This change needs frequently inworld notes and daily notes on the viewers start page! Even immediatly because you wasted too much time meanwhile. Don't trick your customers worldwide!. Me Austrian has only an idea about the upcoming change because I speak halfway english, more or less - so do something for the rest of the world! And place that issue at the blog prominent again and stable until the whole operation is done for everyone!

You have to read it in the style is was written.

It was a tongue in cheek way of saying speculators will do the same thing for Ursula they did for Nautilus. Drive the prices through the roof at auction. Land bots snatch up cheap land. I don't believe there will be much work for them on Ursula.

I'm sure the auction prices in Bay City and Nautilus didn't go unnoticed when LL was drawing up the idea of an adult continent.

I apologize, Milla. I was too harsh in my reply to you then. Sounds like we agree.

No problem, I can be a little obtuse at times.

You know, I am beginning to think Ann O'Toole is right.

In case you haven't read her posts, Ann is a bit of a conspiracy theorist. But when there really ARE monsters under the bed, yelling about them isn't childish behavior, it's rational.

In this case, the monsters are the people running the garage-business "competitors" to Second Life, the ones based on the OpenGrid publicly-available software.

I think they've conducted a systematic campaign of complaining to LL about all of Second Life's "extreme and offensive" content, masking themselves as "concerned SL residents".

I think they have convinced LL that Cleaning Up The Grid is a necessity.

Of course, their real goal is to see SL fail, and LL's customers flee to their worlds as the only remaining alternatives.

LL had better wake up and smell the coffee, or they (and we) are going to be the biggest victims of "social engineering" ever.

Possible, but I dunno. LL has shown they really don't care about resident's concerns in the past, why would they change now? Unless they are Big Money residents. I still think this is all simply to pave the way for big business to freely msarket and advertise in SL, and to then bring in the typical target of those ads, Joe McWhitebread and his wife Frigid.

This is strictly about money. It's not about any philosophical social shift, it's not about some new totalitarian censorship campaign or Moral Majoprity Crusade, no matter how hard the Patrick Henrys or America Bashers wish it to be. LL has decided this is going to fill their pockets more than the free wheeling resident created world that has brought them this far in the first place. Mitch and Phil both essentially disowned the current userbase last year. This is a sellout, plain and simple.

All that being said, this idea COULD work to everyone's advantage. LL COULD make SL truly a place with something for everyone. By having areas set up according to content and interest,and actively promoting them all, someting they should have done long ago. They should be really engaging it's customers in doing this, not just with this lip service thread, but reaching out to some of SL's more prominent residents, creators, and business owners, as well as the average user. Tell evryone "This is what we want to do, how can we do it in the best possible way for all of us?" Instead, as usual, they are going about it in the same half baked, ham fisted, disingenuous manner they have shown over and over again.

Because of course, RL legislators are not concerned with these topics at all...

2257 Regulations (C.F.R. Part 75) requires an asssurance by way of ID checks and record keeping for anyone that 'appears in any visual depiction of actual sexual conduct appearing or otherwise contained' on a website.

The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act addendum to the adult record-keeping requirements (now codified at 18 U.S.C. § 2257A) is under court challenge at the momment and is, for the momment, unenforcable, but extends that to animations or simulated sex.

If they get that past the courts, even if they have to reword it a bit to do so, it will REQUIRE age verification.

But of course this is all just about SL's competitors...

Maybe - but not only this:

LL plans to sell the SL idea ready made as business in a box - later - around the world, said Mitch Kapor somewhere - some posters sended links to this speeches of him, some days ago.

For that they need to clean up the space (keyword: disneyfication) as kind of family friendly fairy - to exhibit their nice model...shiny and cleaned up.

The green points on the map are not longer their main focus. They want to sell the whole product later.

Kind of ready made SL in a box. Xstreet as marketing central then - and themselfs as kind of being in a microsoft status, selling boxes, licenses, or whatever.

Cluster-tactic - like companies wich selling whole machine parks and whatever ready for start made and shipped technologies, often whole facilities and knowhow + eventualy service personal and such.

But if or if not: there is an image polish campaign on the run, for whatever reasons - they do that with or without us, it seems.

No way back, it seems.

And what do we know...to be a second long conspirative with you - maybe Ursula is the first test box they delivered to someone or planning to deliver to someone - a kind of sub-grid then - ready made for lift of. Maybe later driven by a third party in license? Anshe...-or another nose, or some noses?

Think on ready made, and later linked worlds later, driven by different licensees, franchise system.... like McDonalds....shared fee income, xstreet as middle - point - LL only as cash receiving spider in the middle of a web - made of much SL-like worlds and working only on some updates from time to time.

Maybe this is the big plan behind all this.

It goes not about us here. We are only needed a while more until this is ready and we are only needed to move our money further into the thing, until we can go elsewhere...

Or so, or similar. What do we know? Nothing.

Edit add: and maybe the other 3 continents are foreseen for a deal also...maybe some universities sharing then one continent..., some biz another---and adminstrating these then in own responsibility...while paying license fees to LL.

Can happen or happened already, that LL dreams of thousands of grids wordwide and particulary or as a whole web connected around the globe.

It is also a question of room. They have not enough. One day complete San Francisco would be full of servers...if that thing would stay for ever onlyin LL's hands-so they need to outsource their idea- for people with money, room and servers....and a start-up mentality.

You can almost guarantee it didn't go unnoticed, it may even be part of the drive to make a new adult zone.

Suddenly LL will be offering a great deal of new sims for sale, except this time they are a requirement for anyone wishing to sell adult related content, not just something people see as desirable, like Nautilus or Bay City were.

You now will need to own a parcel on the new adult continent if you decide to start selling adult related content, the initial free land swap will make sure the new continent has plenty of builds appearing rather than remaining a barren wasteland and then suddenly a whole load of sims will surge forth at auction, to meet up with the huge demand.