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What surprises you most in-world?

Leslie Trihey
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09-15-2008 21:24
A few voice user's, that completely ignore text because there lazy. That surprises and slightly annoys me.
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09-16-2008 00:18
From: Alicia Sautereau
that people still buy toilets for their houses :confused: :confused: :confused:


I agree - I actually do make a toilet and other off-the-wall things, and it surprises me what sells and what does not. It baffles me to figure out what will be a hit and what will not!
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09-16-2008 00:49
From: Iyoba Tarantal
<snip> (lots of interesting creative ideas)


Iyoba, do you have a shop? Your ideas sound really interesting, and I'd love to see your stuff.
Deira Llanfair
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09-16-2008 03:27
From: Lindal Kidd
People.

I am continuously surprised by unexpected kindness and generosity. People can be so damned GOOD. :)

Far less often, I'm surprised by unexpected rudeness. Sometimes, they can be so damned AWFUL. :(

Either way, it's always a surprise.


Yes - I'm always surprised when I encounter bad manners in SL - this is because the overwhelming majority of people here are always polite. In SL you meet people from all over the world and they are, with very few exceptions, kind, generous, considerate and just genuine nice people.
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Deira Llanfair
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09-16-2008 03:32
From: Alicia Sautereau
that people still buy toilets for their houses :confused: :confused: :confused:


LOL! I loved playing with my dolls house as a child - now it's virtual dolls houses on a much grander scale in SL. For all frustrated interior designers SL is heaven! (Not to mention frustrated landscape gardeners....etc, etc.)
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Cherry Czervik
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09-16-2008 03:48
From: Iyoba Tarantal
Back to the creativity issue. First, I guess I sit at the right end of the creativity curve which means I am not seeing things the way most Second Lifers do. I feel I sort of had to become creative and do a lot of my own building.

One of the things that surprises me about Second Life is how small it actually is. There are 60,000 avatarim on the grid on a good day. Figure generously that of those half are habitual users. This gives Second Life the population of Utica, New York in 1990, only unlike Utica, there is no Syracuse (the big city in Central New York) fifty miles up the road. I'm not sure how to measure the poulation density of Second Life, but my guess is that it is somewhat like Wyoming.

Given the fact that SL is really a very small town, a lot of items are simply unavailable unless I make them for myself. Try finding a floral or novelty print blouse, If you have an Afro-American avi as I do, try looking for ethnic hair. There are one or two people making it. Cornrows are very easy to make by the way. That was one of my first projects. Look for kente cloth, mud cloth, wax prints or other African textile patterns. I know of one merchant who has two styles of kente. The idea of painting houses in the Ndebele style (very prim-economical by the way since you use an existing surface) has never caught on except with me.

Also most creative ideas do not have to be grand schemes that use a lot of prims and require a lot of space and time. The tube dress (yes, wearing one or two prims) I came up with is a great example, so too are wearable scriptless skis and poles. There's a lot of places with snow where you can't rez or use scripts. Most of the time the standard for a good creative item isn't perfection. It's better than nothing because you can guess the alterantive.

People who rent those expensive ready-made houses or apartments and who buy store bought clothing baffle me. Unless they are using freebies, they can upload textures and make their own so easily. There are several vernacular styles of ultra low prim house. A vernacular style is one commonly used in the real world.

Could it be noncreatives are afraid of looking poor or out of place somehow? I've received very little static for my "outrageous clothes." The rude comments come exclusively from males. I keep a file of them. And none of my neighbors have complained about my pale green yurt with the mural of the life cycle of a bee and the making of honey on it. Still being like everybody else even when there is no punishment for doing your own thing, is a powerful mode of behavioral control. I don't understand it. I just notice it.


But sometimes things just are pretty and you want them. I'm more than capable of building anything I want, pretty much. However for this house (since my little place which was fine nestled against the huge hill on a 1/4 sim looked like a chicken shack on an open space) I was seduced by Ciaran ... sorry, I was seduced by a house I was looking at with Ciaran - I was also very taken with exquisite textures I found which were made from photos taken at the Palazzo Farnese in Rome. Colonial ranch meets palatial textures = very pervy feeling "Chateau" which houses furniture which would be at home in the georgian grade II listed buiding I really live in (except it's a rented basement flat and my furniture is Ikea cheap tat really!).

When I can't build or create I am thoroughly miserable, I literally have the jitters until I can chase whatever muse has inspired me. I've said many times, being the ONLY one in a family full of artists who can't draw for toffee, there's an outlet here for me. It might not be big or clever but I enjoy it and that's what I pay for my land to acheive.

I often make things, but equally just as often buy things - it's how the economy struggles to survive.

It doesn't fail to amaze me when you meet the creators who are SO arrogant that they'll happily ignore a nicely written notecard asking simply for help with their no mod items which they are arrogant enough to think you don't mind having paid top Linden for, and are not fit for purpose! (Yes that's aimed at someone specific and I'd love to name names).

I think what never fails to amaze me are the myriad amusements still to be gleaned from detatchable manhoods, but then I am easily pleased.
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Cherry Czervik
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09-16-2008 04:25
From: Lear Cale
Going from the sublime to the ridiculous ... I admit I'm surprised by the number of women who are bisexual. If only it were like that in RL, back when I was young and single! (Perhaps it was and I just didn't know it.)

Of course, yes, I do figure that a significant number of these are RL men. But the proportion is surprisingly high even if I restrict it to those who I have good reason to believe are RL females.

Not to mention how kinky so many are ... but of course, kinks are easy to enjoy in SL where there are no practical issues to interfere.

From: someone


Fraid I am just not very imaginative. I really am bisexual and kinky.
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Aebleskiver Thibedeau
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09-16-2008 05:19
I'm flabbergasted by the amount of real life homophobia men bring to SL, and, yes, I do think it's largely a male issue. There's seems to be an enormous amount of energy given to obsessing about whether the woman next to them is really a woman (or a man in rl), and to discovering new ways to determine that. WTF is that? Can none of you homophobes grasp that someone of your own gender would have superior knowledge of what a man enjoys, and in a female avi, would have the tools to use it? It could be a very positive thing.

And I am appalled by the tales of the continuous, ongoing harassment my gay friends endure. It makes me want to commit bloody murder. Is this not the twenty-first century?
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Cherry Czervik
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09-16-2008 05:27
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
I'm flabbergasted by the amount of real life homophobia men bring to SL, and, yes, I do think it's largely a male issue. There's seems to be an enormous amount of energy given to obsessing about whether the woman next to them is really a woman (or a man in rl), and to discovering new ways to determine that. WTF is that? Can none of you homophobes grasp that someone of your own gender would have superior knowledge of what a man enjoys, and in a female avi, would have the tools to use it? It could be a very positive thing.

And I am appalled by the tales of the continuous, ongoing harassment my gay friends endure. It makes me want to commit bloody murder. Is this not the twenty-first century?


Whilst I agree with the sentiment at the end, most guys will admit to having had a female av at some point, most of which are interested in getting the female av some action vicaiously (after all unless you're in mouselook does it matter WHICH av is yours? apparently not).

Personally if someone is a man in a dress I'd prefer to know that beforehand, so I can choose if I wish to engage or not. A lot of the net dislikes this particular form of misreprisentation, it seems to be touted as a virtue in SL. It's still lying just like any other form of lie.

And also, superior knowledge can be learned by a woman too you know. Same goes for men with women. Generalisations are rarely good when challenging someone's stereotypes.
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Aebleskiver Thibedeau
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09-16-2008 05:31
From: Kalderi Tomsen
What surprises me is the number of people who want to make their SL as identical to their RL as possible.


I don't understand that either. Why have a second life if all it's going to be is a first life in miniature? Why not just concentrate on your real life? I don't look like a super model in real life, but I have these preconceived ideas about what that must be like that I am testing out. Are my prejudices right? Have I been mistaken? This is what I want to know. This is why I am here.

I will also, at some point (well, actually, when I have enough cash to outfit him properly at Avid), build a male avi, and go out and test my preconceptions about what it is to be male in this society. Where else but in SL could you ever do such a thing? Do first hand research in what is to live in another's skin? See the world through another's eyes? Get out of the cage you were born in and look around? It's an amazing opportunity, and I am going to take full advantage of it.

I am amazed that everyone doesn't.
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09-16-2008 05:32
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
in a female avi, would have the tools to use it?


Therein lies the paradox

And of course men prefer the social company of other men to that of women. Were it not for the "continuation of the species" instinctual imperative of mixed-gender sex, which ridiculously for most of us poor males seems to transcend the physical into the metaverse because our limited brains can't seem to fathom the difference, we XY chromosomed apes would much prefer to spend all of our time playing and watching sport, and drinking beer with our mates. The great majority of us just don't want to talk about sex with each other, unless it's boasting, bragging and lying.

Pep (Shopping is NOT a social event for most men)
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09-16-2008 05:38
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
I don't understand that either. Why have a second life if all it's going to be is a first life in miniature? Why not just concentrate on your real life? I don't look like a super model in real life, but I have these preconceived ideas about what that must be like that I am testing out. Are my prejudges right? Have I been mistaken? This is what I want to know. This is why I am here.

I will also, at some point (well, actually, when I have enough cash to outfit him properly at Avid), build a male avi, and go out and test my preconceptions about what it is to be male in this society. Where else but in SL could you ever do such a thing? Do first hand research in what is to live in another's skin? See the world through another's eyes? Get out of the cage you were born in and look around? It's an amazing opportunity, and I am going to take full advantage of it.

I am amazed that everyone doesn't.


Just as long as you realise that you won't find out much about being male in *rl* by this experiment.

Pep (Just how people treat apparently male avatars in *sl*)
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Aebleskiver Thibedeau
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09-16-2008 05:40
From: Cherry Czervik
And also, superior knowledge can be learned by a woman too you know.


Well, yes, I do, actually. /me smiles broadly. But not all women (or men) have the opportunity to learn this, or even the interest in learning it. People get stuck in their own heads.

As far as the lying goes, I think SL is an ongoing experiment in the nature of reality. It's probably best to understand that if you're going to spend any amount of time here.
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Aebleskiver Thibedeau
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09-16-2008 05:43
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Pep (Just how people treat apparently male avatars in *sl*)


And you really think there is a difference? That people leave themselves outside when they come into SL?

How curious. That has not been my experience.
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09-16-2008 06:10
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
And you really think there is a difference? That people leave themselves outside when they come into SL?

How curious. That has not been my experience.


You have suggested you only have experience of how people treat female avatars, so any comment you make would be an extreme and very personal extrapolation.

And how many people from sl have you actually met in rl to make such a judgement even as a female? I have physically met six, and all have been VERY different in rl from the personae they presented in sl.

Pep (And of course there is a difference anyway)
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Aebleskiver Thibedeau
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09-16-2008 06:21
From: Pserendipity Daniels
And how many people from sl have you actually met in rl to make such a judgement even as a female?


I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. The details of peoples' lives (sl or rl) don't really have much bearing on the mindset that has been inculcated in them from birth. On their world view. They bring that into sl intact, as this thread illustrates so generously.
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Lear Cale
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09-16-2008 06:29
From: Cherry Czervik
From: Lear Cale
Going from the sublime to the ridiculous ... I admit I'm surprised by the number of women who are bisexual. If only it were like that in RL, back when I was young and single! (Perhaps it was and I just didn't know it.)

Of course, yes, I do figure that a significant number of these are RL men. But the proportion is surprisingly high even if I restrict it to those who I have good reason to believe are RL females.

Not to mention how kinky so many are ... but of course, kinks are easy to enjoy in SL where there are no practical issues to interfere.


Fraid I am just not very imaginative. I really am bisexual and kinky.


Call me! ;)
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09-16-2008 06:30
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
I'm flabbergasted by the amount of real life homophobia men bring to SL, and, yes, I do think it's largely a male issue. There's seems to be an enormous amount of energy given to obsessing about whether the woman next to them is really a woman (or a man in rl), and to discovering new ways to determine that. WTF is that? Can none of you homophobes grasp that someone of your own gender would have superior knowledge of what a man enjoys, and in a female avi, would have the tools to use it? It could be a very positive thing.

And I am appalled by the tales of the continuous, ongoing harassment my gay friends endure. It makes me want to commit bloody murder. Is this not the twenty-first century?


True, but to me, not surprising. Funny, but not surprising.
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Lindal Kidd
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09-16-2008 06:36
From: Alicia Sautereau
that people still buy toilets for their houses :confused: :confused: :confused:


That one doesn't surprise me all that much. Some of them have some really cute "reading the funnies while on the throne" animations.
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09-16-2008 06:41
From: Weston Graves
I've been there once and it was quite creative, but now I can't seem to find it or a landmark. Has it disappeared?


I hope not it is a truly unique place in SL, I'll have to search for it next time im in-world.
Did you try "all" search?

FaTeke

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Cherry Czervik
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09-16-2008 06:41
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
Well, yes, I do, actually. /me smiles broadly. But not all women (or men) have the opportunity to learn this, or even the interest in learning it. People get stuck in their own heads.

As far as the lying goes, I think SL is an ongoing experiment in the nature of reality. It's probably best to understand that if you're going to spend any amount of time here.


Yeah but you can say that about any part of the net. IRC for instance, you get seasoned IRC people and they can tell you a lot about perceptions from the get go and just in text.
It doesn't matter to me what people do unless I am planning to get jiggy with them anyway!

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Lear Cale
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09-16-2008 06:43
Aeb and Pep are contradicting each other, but I think they both have valid points.

I agree with Aeb that people carry their RL baggage (good and bad) into SL with them.

I agree with Pep that many abandon parts of that baggage: sometimes intentionally, sometimes it happens automatically from identifying with a role.

I agree with Aeb that we are treated differently in SL as male vs. female avs. (OK, confession time: I have a female av, which I use to set poses. My gf likes to sometimes take 'her' out for some fun, and I'm always up for fun, even if I wind up doing some stuff that makes me a bit uncomfortable. When role playing, I feel uncomfortable about "being deceptive". Silly, because I feel it's totally OK to role play.)

Now, people don't act quite the same in SL as in RL. They're much freer to flirt, be kinky, and do other things that they'd be inhibited to do in RL. I'm sure there are other differences.

However, I'm treated quite differently as a female av than as a male av, and I believe that this *is* a valuable clue to how men and women are treated differently in RL.

For another experiment, I might try going out in SL as an unintentionally plain person. I.e., not the obviously gross forms that some adopt in order to evoke a reaction, but more like someone with no ability to make his- or herself look good. I bet it would be a bit edifying, and while not precisely like RL, definitely shedding light on RL.

Of course Pep is correct that we can't just assume that lessons learned in SL apply without modification to RL.
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09-16-2008 06:44
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. The details of peoples' lives (sl or rl) doesn't really have much bearing on the mindset that has been inculcated in them from birth. On their world view. They bring that into sl intact, as this thread illustrates so generously.


Does this mean you *are* simply theorising rather than arguing from rl experience? Other than your own of course.

And believing that what people say here is what they *really* believe?

Pep (An interesting assumption given the propensity of so many sl inhabitants to role play . . .)
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Lear Cale
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09-16-2008 06:48
From: Aebleskiver Thibedeau
I don't understand that either. Why have a second life if all it's going to be is a first life in miniature?


When I first entered SL, I made my avatar look like me (though improved: a 6-pack I do not have. Last time it was well-defined, it was more of a 5-pack.)

Paucity of imagination, or maybe I just like myself? Both really. I was playing with a new *world*, as myself. (Admittedly, a pumped up version.) Over the years, I've changed my av so it's less like RL me, but I could go back. (Most ladies seem to prefer dark men, but I'm fair-skinned, blond/blue.)

I've departed from my RL self in other ways too. I won't go into it. ;)

But for the most part, I'm still mostly me, only animated. And hot.
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09-16-2008 06:50
From: Lear Cale


Of course Pep is correct that we can't just assume that lessons learned in SL apply without modification to RL.


You're both correct (OMG I am agreeing with PEP!). I can't remember the last time I walked around the local shops RL wearing nothing but high heels and a bruised/cane welted backside ...
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