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What in the h* did Linden do with the latest update??

Cocoanut Koala
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04-04-2008 23:35
From: Shirley Marquez
It's like this. WindLight brings in more realistic lighting... but that includes change of lighting color depending on time of day, much stronger light and shadow effects, and the possibility of colors washing out in strong light.

Realistic, assuming you are in the middle of the Mojave desert at high noon. After the ozone layer has been destroyed.
From: someone
What the original comment meant (if we change it any more we might as well not have it) refers to the fact that LL toned down the light and shadow effects in later versions of the WindLight viewer, compared to early ones. Toning it down much more would return us to the world of flat lighting, making the whole exercise pointless.

Yes, that is what I was trying to say, and what Pastrami was saying.

You know, I wish now I hadn't backed off, and had gone ahead and sent him my snapshots, etc., and pressed harder for some of the things.

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04-05-2008 00:44
From: Ann Launay
No.


Time for a new PC or Video Card then ;)

Welcome to the world of Technology Advancement!!! :D
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04-05-2008 02:24
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Time for a new PC or Video Card then ;)

Welcome to the world of Technology Advancement!!! :D


Not all SL residents are from the US/UK/etc... for some it can be a bit too costly to upgrade, especially if the sole reason for upgrading is just to get SL to function properly :(
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04-05-2008 02:36
Well I must be missing something here. I got the impression that LL were refocussing their marketing towards commercial application - business or educational users. Are these types of 'players' really going to want to spend hours reading manuals and wikis, and tweaking dozens of settings in hundreds of combinations in order to get SL to run and display satisfactorily? Will they always have the latest sooper dooper high-end spec gaming machines? I don't see it somehow.
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04-05-2008 02:48
From: Aeslyn Dae
Well I must be missing something here. I got the impression that LL were refocussing their marketing towards commercial application - business or educational users. Are these types of 'players' really going to want to spend hours reading manuals and wikis, and tweaking dozens of settings in hundreds of combinations in order to get SL to run and display satisfactorily? Will they always have the latest sooper dooper high-end spec gaming machines? I don't see it somehow.

Probably worked out all the real money is in the gaming industry rather staying with 2005 features for a "play for free" userbase. Even corporations will see the opposition offering a superior product for $75 per sim per month rather than $295 and just walk.
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Colette Meiji
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04-05-2008 04:40
From: Tegg Bode
Probably worked out all the real money is in the gaming industry rather staying with 2005 features for a "play for free" userbase.


The real money isn't in the "gaming industry". The "gaming industry" is a Niche market compared to what they claim they are going for. Even now among those paying for their land, I'll bet you the majority are not gamers.

From: Tegg Bode
Even corporations will see the opposition offering a superior product for $75 per sim per month rather than $295 and just walk.


That is neither here nor there, the less broad appeal their product has the more they would have to charge per sim, not less. Basic economics of scale.
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04-05-2008 04:41
From: Cocoanut Koala
Realistic, assuming you are in the middle of the Mojave desert at high noon. After the ozone layer has been destroyed.


Even inside ...
Ciaran Laval
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04-05-2008 04:42
From: Aeslyn Dae
Well I must be missing something here. I got the impression that LL were refocussing their marketing towards commercial application - business or educational users. Are these types of 'players' really going to want to spend hours reading manuals and wikis, and tweaking dozens of settings in hundreds of combinations in order to get SL to run and display satisfactorily? Will they always have the latest sooper dooper high-end spec gaming machines? I don't see it somehow.


Education certainly won't embrace moves like this.
GypsyAngel Desmoulins
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04-05-2008 05:00
From: Shirley Marquez
It's like this. WindLight brings in more realistic lighting... QUOTE]

If i had this lighting in real life, i would leave the lights off lol
GypsyAngel Desmoulins
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04-05-2008 05:04
From: Shirley Marquez
It's like this. WindLight brings in more realistic lighting.


If i had this kind of lighting in real life, i would turn the lights off. lol
Stephen Wisent
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04-05-2008 05:09
LL obviously has a goal, an objective for its product. Unfortunately it's nowhere near there yet and it's used up all the free time it had when there was an empty playing field,when no one else even believed in the market, never mind thought about entering it.

There is still an unproven market or use for an environment like SL, the trouble is though that entry barriers into this sector are gone. Even our little company can take a punt on an R&D project based on OpenSim with the idea of targeting a specific sector.

As someone who works in this industry and has done all the jobs.. from tea boy to .. well tea boy :) The way LL is dealing with the systems lifecycle smacks of panic and urgency.

Other players are sniffing around and don't have to invest 5 years to get to the same point. LL have until mid 2009 at the most before real competition hits.

What they are doing now is using us as a Beta Test community. They're developing the application at breakneck pace and don't have time to follow the normal processes that I'd expect to see in a systems lifecycle.

The quickest way for them is to forget most of the formal design and testing phases and go with an iterative approach .

They know that things aren't finished, that some of the design decisions have been hasty and ill thought through, but quicker to get something out to us and let us feedback errors and ideas and then react.

There's nothing wrong with that approach, they're leveraging what they have - a loyal and invested user community.

Just my thoughts.
Apple Pinkney
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04-05-2008 05:13
I downloaded the mandatory viewer and *IT* determined my Graphics settings for me. I had no sliders, nothing but plain blue lines and numbers after I clicked the CUSTOM button. Couldn't change a thing.

I went back to 1.19.0--which still works despite the fact that we could *never ever* go back to old versions prior to this--and at least got my adjustable Graphics back. Still can't change my Sounds.

Friends of mine, old timers, are having problems ranging from they just flat can't get in to all the horrors listed above.

SL needs to make a viewer without all the bells and whistles for us folks who just want ot get inworld and don't care how pretty the sky is, etc.
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04-05-2008 08:26
From: Stephen Wisent
LL obviously has a goal, an objective for its product. Unfortunately it's nowhere near there yet and it's used up all the free time it had when there was an empty playing field,when no one else even believed in the market, never mind thought about entering it.

There is still an unproven market or use for an environment like SL, the trouble is though that entry barriers into this sector are gone. Even our little company can take a punt on an R&D project based on OpenSim with the idea of targeting a specific sector.

As someone who works in this industry and has done all the jobs.. from tea boy to .. well tea boy :) The way LL is dealing with the systems lifecycle smacks of panic and urgency.

Other players are sniffing around and don't have to invest 5 years to get to the same point. LL have until mid 2009 at the most before real competition hits.

What they are doing now is using us as a Beta Test community. They're developing the application at breakneck pace and don't have time to follow the normal processes that I'd expect to see in a systems lifecycle.

The quickest way for them is to forget most of the formal design and testing phases and go with an iterative approach .

They know that things aren't finished, that some of the design decisions have been hasty and ill thought through, but quicker to get something out to us and let us feedback errors and ideas and then react.

There's nothing wrong with that approach, they're leveraging what they have - a loyal and invested user community.

Just my thoughts.
All well and good except people who PAY to use a service are Customers in my opinion. And if you are going to make those customers unwitting Beta Testers, you should treat them better than has been the norm.At the very least communicate, save the BS doubletalk and techno garble, save the Broadly Offensive Blog Posts, and just tell those customers what the Hell is going on.
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04-05-2008 17:38
From: Colette Meiji
The real money isn't in the "gaming industry". The "gaming industry" is a Niche market compared to what they claim they are going for. Even now among those paying for their land, I'll bet you the majority are not gamers.

Gaming Industry a niche market? Sorry SL is a niche market in MMO's, SL can't even perform anywhere near B grade games let alone comparing it to the top runners.
Those paying for land can be gamers like me, and if LL would pull it's finger out and improve gaming potential of SL, a lot more landowners could be gamers :)
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04-05-2008 20:11
From: Colette Meiji
*LOL's at everyone who didn't get Susie's point.*


They is so dumb :)
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04-05-2008 21:28
From: Colette Meiji
The real money isn't in the "gaming industry". The "gaming industry" is a Niche market compared to what they claim they are going for. Even now among those paying for their land, I'll bet you the majority are not gamers.


Since when is an industry that raked in $18.8 Billion last year considered being a "niche"?? ;)
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04-05-2008 21:50
SL won't have what it takes for gamers..if it is to attract gamers thier graphics are as old and behind the times as they were two years ago looking like they were from the early 90's.
right now it's a yahoo messenger with graphics that is stuck in the middle of wanting to be a game and a communication tool and finding out it's hard to please everyone..gamer and the engines they play on are what makes the technology boost ..sl is playing catch up all the time instead of doing it..
if they spread themselves out too thin trying to get everyone they will have the problems they have right now..
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04-05-2008 21:57
Where can I get older versions as this version sucks like nothing has ever sucked before. I can't even stay on 5 minutes without crashing.
Colette Meiji
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04-05-2008 21:58
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Since when is an industry that raked in $18.8 Billion last year considered being a "niche"?? ;)


Since the global capitalization of the information age took off.

Compared to the value of money spent on Computer related businesses and the E-business giants, 18 billion is niche.

Google is valued at around 200 billion.

Microsoft is estimated to have a value of over 250 billion.

etc.
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04-05-2008 22:01
From: Ike Fairweather
Where can I get older versions as this version sucks like nothing has ever sucked before. I can't even stay on 5 minutes without crashing.
Links to the previous version, 1.19.0.5. for all platforms are buried in this blog post, about a third of the way through it:
http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/04/03/the-new-viewer-a-well-oiled-machine/
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04-05-2008 22:06
mouse pads takes it though over all of them with
the 4 billion spent on mouse pads from the pentagon..:P
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04-05-2008 22:19
From: Ike Fairweather
Where can I get older versions as this version sucks like nothing has ever sucked before. I can't even stay on 5 minutes without crashing.



Im with you... who needs to have everything look all pretty when you cant even stay on line for more than 5 to 10 minutes at a time.. ive been trying to be in world now for an hour and have crashed at least 10 times... this is absolutely rediculous.. what a great game to have that you cannot even play but you can tell everyone how pretty it is..
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04-05-2008 23:00
From: Tegg Bode
Gaming Industry a niche market? Sorry SL is a niche market in MMO's, SL can't even perform anywhere near B grade games let alone comparing it to the top runners.
Those paying for land can be gamers like me, and if LL would pull it's finger out and improve gaming potential of SL, a lot more landowners could be gamers :)


SL doesn't want to be in a niche market of MMO's

they want to be "start of the 3D internet" they want to be "the beginning of the Metaverse"

They don't want to attract just gamers or just more gamers ..

They want to attract a chunk of all internet users.

Now ... maybe thats highly unrealistic. Maybe becoming a better "game" and "virtual world" and settling down into a "Niche of MMOs" is more realistic. But thats not their stated goal.

Maybe they have caviar tastes on a grape jelly budget. But theres been nothing to suggest that SL is trying to narrow its focus.

It also could be all hype too. Sure seems that way sometimes. But usually they act as if they believe their own hype.
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04-05-2008 23:58
From: Colette Meiji
SL doesn't want to be in a niche market of MMO's
they want to be "start of the 3D internet" they want to be "the beginning of the Metaverse"
They don't want to attract just gamers or just more gamers ..
They want to attract a chunk of all internet users.
Now ... maybe thats highly unrealistic. Maybe becoming a better "game" and "virtual world" and settling down into a "Niche of MMOs" is more realistic. But thats not their stated goal.
Maybe they have caviar tastes on a grape jelly budget. But theres been nothing to suggest that SL is trying to narrow its focus.
It also could be all hype too. Sure seems that way sometimes. But usually they act as if they believe their own hype.

SL will never be in the top games market, but to grab some of the gaming market could be economically benificial and but currently the system pretty much discourages any sort of gaming content, till we can walk across a sim boundry reliably.
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04-06-2008 01:05
From: Tegg Bode
Gaming Industry a niche market? Sorry SL is a niche market in MMO's, SL can't even perform anywhere near B grade games let alone comparing it to the top runners.
Those paying for land can be gamers like me, and if LL would pull it's finger out and improve gaming potential of SL, a lot more landowners could be gamers :)



Personally I doubt the majority of SL users are Gamers. Most real Gamers I know in RL think SL sucks and is pointless and boring.

The vast majority of people I have met in SL are either graphics or computer professionals that spend their time in SL making content of some type. People who see SL as nothing more than a financial investment and use it as such. And by far the greater number those that see SL as a social platform/chatroom, many of whom have previously been YIM, AIM, or MSN users before migrating to SL.

Of these groups the only one that may have a top level computer are the graphics/computer professionals.
The rest may or may not have depending on how recently they have had to upgrade/replace their old computer. They are also highly unlikely to want to have to spend hours tweaking their preferences to make things look better.



Personally I will stick to Nicholaz as long as possible as I loathe the level of "realism" that WindLight introduces, except for photos. I am also one that is hit by the ATI render bug. Additionally, I like to wear system skirts (they are usually an important component in the style of clothing I wear), without them disappearing or being corrupted.
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