Is a 5 year old capable of logging on and off??
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Conan Godwin
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09-28-2008 05:56
From: Solar Legion Ahem ... The policy which has fueled people like the OP and given them a drive to do whatever they can to ruin Second Life for others was made after a German PR debacle. There may be no such law in the UK but apparently something similar exists elsewhere.
Now then ...
Walker, I was unaware that Linden Lab had any holdings whatsoever in the UK. All that means now is that LL has to abide by the laws in the UK. They are not yet bound to follow the laws in say .... (warning, made up country ahead) Halabakauzbekastanitoba .... No matter how much the government may whine and cry about it.
Frankly .... and yes folks, I am kidding on this one - my point in saying this next bit is that such people need to mind their own bloody business - I'd like to take all the people who whine and cry about the laws in their country not allowing them to view certain content in Second Life, as well as those who have actually caused some of the policy changed restricting or prohibiting things which - in a virtual world - have no business being restricted or prohibited (including those here in the US), put them all in the same room, lock the door ..... and flash fry them with radiation.
The only 'real' aspect to Second Life is the linden to USD conversion. The people at their keyboards do not count as they are not really a part of the program or server data.
And before someone comes along to try and tell me just how 'real' Second Life really is ... Please do not bother. Yes, we all have friends in Second Life - some we may have met in real life - there are tons of SL to RL relationship stories. I am not saying that the people and their connections to others are not real (trust me ... I know better ...) what I am saying however is that the environment itself and the avatars themselves are not real. growing attached to an avatar is about as sane as growing attached to a mass of text describing a character in the old style online RP rooms.
I have my own stories and my own experiences that lead me to holding this view and while I can understand the other side - to a point - understanding is not the same the cold, hard fact that nothing in SL is real.
anyone wanting my stories (edited of course as there is some damn personal information in them) or the exceptions to my own viewpoint can go ahead and IM me in world. Please be polite however ... I mute rude people instantly. There is nothing in Second Life that breaches any UK law. Nothing.
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09-28-2008 08:39
From: Conan Godwin Except the OP has just made up these laws in his/her/its/their/whatever head. The OP's head sounds like a pretty interesting place to live. Except that, at least according tp Mari, it is full of boogers. Hi Walker. 
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09-28-2008 08:41
From: Solar Legion
And before someone comes along to try and tell me just how 'real' Second Life really is ... Please do not bother. Yes, we all have friends in Second Life - some we may have met in real life - there are tons of SL to RL relationship stories. I am not saying that the people and their connections to others are not real (trust me ... I know better ...) what I am saying however is that the environment itself and the avatars themselves are not real. growing attached to an avatar is about as sane as growing attached to a mass of text describing a character in the old style online RP rooms.
QFT. Agree completely.
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09-28-2008 08:42
From: Conan Godwin There is nothing in Second Life that breaches any UK law. Nothing. Goody - except that my response post made no further mention of UK laws other than LL needing to follow them.
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Conan Godwin
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09-28-2008 08:43
From: Solar Legion Goody - except that my response post made no further mention of UK laws other than LL needing to follow them. I know; I was just taking the opportunity to reiterate that for the benefit of the OP and anyone else who might be hard of thinking.
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Colette Meiji
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09-28-2008 09:13
So ..
The Original Poster probably never met anyone roleplaying a 5 year old at all.
But fabricated the whole thing to push to his personal agenda on this topic.
His supposed total ignorance about 5 year old players, Child Avs, and Child Roleplaying has been exposed as a fabrication.
And it once again goes back to the mistaken idea that Child Avs are against UK law.
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The Original Poster is an example of what is wrong with the whole system, and it is people who share those ideas that are reporting Child Avies as underage with *NO CAUSE*
And reporting Child Avies for breaking Sexual Ageplay rules with *NO CAUSE*
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The Original Poster as an example of the lowest common denominator is important though.
Because it highlights how people who have done nothing wrong get to be punished due to the fears and ignorance of others.
It is people like the Original Poster who are actually the biggest reason for getting rid of the 18 year old minimum and the Sexual Ageplay restrictions.
Since it requires Responsible Residents exercising caution to make any "Report your Neighbor" system fair.
And its pretty clear asking for "Responsible Residents" is asking too much.
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09-28-2008 10:20
From: Colette Meiji ...
The Original Poster as an example of the lowest common denominator is important though.
Because it highlights how people who have done nothing wrong get to be punished due to the fears and ignorance of others.
It is people like the Original Poster who are actually the biggest reason for getting rid of the 18 year old minimum and the Sexual Ageplay restrictions.
Since it requires Responsible Residents exercising caution to make any "Report your Neighbor" system fair.
And its pretty clear asking for "Responsible Residents" is asking too much. QFT !!!
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09-28-2008 10:39
Why are some people such smartmouths when others give there opinion .Thats just totally mean and rude ,you need to stop and think before u make fun of others
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Walker Moore
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09-28-2008 10:48
From: Sassy22 Timeless Why are some people such smartmouths when others give there opinion .Thats just totally mean and rude ,you need to stop and think before u make fun of others Who exactly do you have in mind?
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09-28-2008 10:52
From: Brenda Connolly Hi Walker. 
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09-28-2008 10:58
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09-28-2008 11:01
From: Sassy22 Timeless Why are some people such smartmouths when others give there opinion .Thats just totally mean and rude ,you need to stop and think before u make fun of others This thread wasn't about opinion. It was part of an Agenda. If the Original Poster were simply expressing his opinion, the fabrication portions would not have been necessary. |
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09-28-2008 11:03
anyone thats rude and hateful ,if the shoes fits wear it
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Marianne McCann
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09-28-2008 11:05
Aww.... but that crowd was at my build first!  Seriously though, Loki's build is super great fun. When I saw it, I knew it was a winner. But has Loki ever done a bad one?
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09-28-2008 11:07
From: Marianne McCann Aww.... but that crowd was at my build first! Seriously though, Loki's build is super great fun. When I saw it, I knew it was a winner. But has Loki ever done a bad one? to be truthful it shoulda been joint I loved both places and both were packed
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09-28-2008 11:08
From: Sassy22 Timeless anyone thats rude and hateful ,if the shoes fits wear it should we really judge without knowing all?
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09-28-2008 11:08
From: Sassy22 Timeless anyone thats rude and hateful ,if the shoes fits wear it I have reread this entire thread and the only thing I found that really seemed rude and hateful to me was: From: Michaelatv Destiny ....
If you cant answer in a civil manner then i suggest you keep your facetious mouth shut collete!
... ETA: Many people, when they run out of logical arguments, start getting defensive and start accusing others of being hateful/rude/racist/etc....
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09-28-2008 11:12
From: Sassy22 Timeless anyone thats rude and hateful ,if the shoes fits wear it Any reason you're not saying this from your main account? Or is the November 30th birthday listed in the profile of both accounts a coincidence? At the end of the day, the OP spouted a lot of false information about UK law, and appears to have an agenda against child avs. If you're singling out "rude" and "hateful", I suggest you start there. Or you could just counter any points you... I mean they... disagree with?
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09-28-2008 11:20
From: Sassy22 Timeless Why are some people such smartmouths when others give there opinion .Thats just totally mean and rude ,you need to stop and think before u make fun of others I agree! People need to stop and think before calling people "smartmouths" and "rude". And they need to learn that the space comes after the comma, not before it.
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09-28-2008 11:24
From: Walker Moore Any reason you're not saying this from your main account?
Or is the November 30th birthday listed in the profile of both accounts a coincidence?
At the end of the day, the OP spouted a lot of false information about UK law, and appears to have an agenda against child avs. If you're singling out "rude" and "hateful", I suggest you start there.
Or you could just counter any points you... I mean they... disagree with? PSST Walker the default Birthday is Nov 30, unless you change it. hehe As for the rest, carry on. |
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09-28-2008 11:27
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09-28-2008 11:29
From: Walker Moore Let's clear up some of the misconceptions that people are beginning to run with as a result of the Michaelatv's bizarre view of UK law.
#1 It is not illegal in the UK for somebody to role-play a child, or talk with an adult role playing a child in a virtual environment. Or even talk with a child on-line for that matter.
#2 MichaelaTV also said "any uk person also found looking into certain areas of second life,(namely Violent acts/degrading/torture) can now be deemed guilty of an offence", and this is also untrue. He is undoubtedly thinking of the extreme pornography act introduced after the killer of Jane Longhurst was convicted. This law is ridiculous anyway because it criminalises consenting adult behaviour, and breaches the European Convention of Human Rights, but it does not apply to role-play in virtual worlds. You could only get in trouble if somebody uploaded a RL picture of the illegal pornography in question because it does not cover cartoon depictions or text, and must involve *actual* injuries to *real* people.
#3 Linden Lab's most established overseas base is in Brighton, United Kingdom, where they employ a significant number of developers. I was also under the impression that the UK office was involved in significant aspects of the overall service (like payment processing) but I could be wrong there. That! Except the bit about *actual* injuries. Unless there has been a late amendment that I don't know about, the injuries only have to appear to be real. This law doesn't come in until January. Stupid law. I have heard *rumours* about cartoon/cgi child porn being made illegal in the UK, but that's all - rumours. Even if true, this has nothing to do with non-sexual use of child avatars. When I first came to sl, I was nervous about child avatars because of all the hysteria and misinformation. I chose to keep my mouth shut until I was better informed. Recently I made a child avie of my own, which I use only occasionally, but I find it a wonderful way of de-stressing to run around being 4 years old. Can a 5 year old log on to sl? I don't know, but my cat has "talked" in chat a few times. She is 16 years old so technically too young, although I think that is fairly elderly for a cat. If she had thumbs, she'd probably make her avatar much younger and slimmer. Blimey! I've been away for a week and nothing changes! Don't know whether to be reassured or despondent. |
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09-28-2008 11:31
From: Colette Meiji PSST Walker the default Birthday is Nov 30, unless you change it. hehe
As for the rest, carry on.  It really has been a long time. 
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09-28-2008 11:34
Guess who... 
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