adults, playing children, in mature sims

Well, I guess I dun hafta worry about makin a super skery Hallowe'en costume now. I c'n jes come as myself!

I would say, from my experience -- an I prob'ly have seen a few more child avvies than you have, too -- dat more than 95% (more like 99.44%, to borrow from an ad) of kid avvies out there are kid avvies in a purely non-sexual manner. From any indication, those few dat are still here an do icky stuff are largely ghettoized (even beyond SL kids in general) and unwelcome anywhere -- not in the general SL world, not in kid spaces, an so on.

So I'm sorry if I have sended a chill down yer spine today, or made you way "WTF" (which sounds awful hard to pronounce), but bein' a kid is jes fine an well in the view of other peoples. I bet I could see lots of worse stuff in your usual dance club (or on the forum cartel list, which seems obsessed with underwears) than anyting I've done with my avvie.



Well put. A fair number of child avvies, myself included, have some painful stuffs in our pasts. Stuff dat, ya can be scratched against with all the sexual ageplay stuff. From my side of the fence, my RL experience makes it sting all dat more when someone accuses me of doin' that icky stuff.

I can really understand those who do have a problem with child avvies. To be honest, I hadda work through stuff a few years back with a RL friend who was involved in pre-SL child roleplay, and I was very much in the camp of the first person I quoted here. As you can guess, my feelings are quite different now



/me nods. It's the actions, not the avatar.

(Aside: Good hair! My brother - who RPs a 9-year-old wears one of the dreads every day, an has had his eye on the male cornrows. My mommy has worn a pair or two as well.)



Thankoo, Brenda.

Mari

Thanx Mari !! I know I can always wait a bit and be able to read a post that says my feelings hehe

I wait cause even kids have tempers and one day I may get mine under control, but I doubt it

I lub my av. I lub being a SL child. An I lub Mari for her well thought out posts

Aww, thankoo Toy!

Mari

Well just the fact that this thread was started should tell you child avies people are not comfortable with you. If you want to disagree and say we as adults that play adults have mental issues then whatever makes you sleep better.

As for furies, vampires, ect those are fictional characters in RL as well. That is the disassociation. Way to many kids in RL getting abused everyday is why people are not comfortable seeing kids avies in an adult game. When is the last time a furry, vampire, robot, ect got abused in RL? lol

If you guys want to play as a kid fine. Just don't act surprised when people think it is not right. I can only imagine how pissed I would be if anything happened to my daughter because someone took their role play out of SL and into RL. One case of this happening is one to many. People like preventive measures when it comes to kids and I am no different.

However there has to be a level of tolerance and I do have that with this issue and many other things I think are not right. Just because I don't approve doesn't mean I should crazy over it and petitioning to ban it. Just remember people have less tolerance when it comes to kids though.

Anyway have a good SL experience no matter what your avatar. I have to go spend time with my daughter in RL today.

And just for the record it sounds like I am backing furrydom. I am not and personally dislike it. Every time I see a furry avatar I immediately get a WTF running through my head and a chill down down my spine. Somethings should just not be done in view of other people and that is one of them. LL made the effort to ban it but yet they are not standing by the decision. It takes minutes to copy and paste something into the TOS from the blog but they have not. Even updated it this last week and we all were forced to agree to it but yet nothing in there about this subject....


And just for the record it sounds like I am backing vampirism. I am not and personally dislike it. Every time I see a vampire I immediately get a WTF running through my head and a chill down down my spine. Somethings should just not be done in view of other people and that is one of them. LL made the effort to ban it but yet they are not standing by the decision. It takes minutes to copy and paste something into the TOS from the blog but they have not. Even updated it this last week and we all were forced to agree to it but yet nothing in there about this subject....

And just for the record it sounds like I am backing lesbianism. I am not and personally dislike it. Every time I see a lesbian avatar I immediately get a WTF running through my head and a chill down down my spine. Somethings should just not be done in view of other people and that is one of them. LL made the effort to ban it but yet they are not standing by the decision. It takes minutes to copy and paste something into the TOS from the blog but they have not. Even updated it this last week and we all were forced to agree to it but yet nothing in there about this subject....

Bree, I think you've nailed it. You could add one with robot avatars too!

Thank you. My biggest concern was that these children are living in a mature sim. where open sexuality is welcomed. it is not a "neighborhood" sim, but an adult themed mature sim.

Somehow narrowmindedness has never surprised me.

I'm sorry, you just lost your argument. It's that whole "you" thing. I've explained it before elsewheres.



Kids do get abused in the real world every day, yes. But not all of SL is "adult," or maybe you missed all this discussion lately?



Who's being surprised. I've dealt with it for well over a year. But tell me this: is it right to attack child avatars over a false assumption that, quite frankly, might say more about the person doing the assuming, than it does about those for whom such actions were assumed?



Good. I am an sexual abuse survivor, and faced it as a child in RL. Imagine how upset I get to hear about that sort of thing happening to another generation of children?

Also, while we're imagine, think of how I might feel to be assumed to be a pedophile based solely on my choice of avatar -- even though I've never quite understood how *I* would be the pedophile in such a situation. Wouldn't I, instead, be an adult avatar preying on child avatars? Wouldn't it make more sense to provide safe places for child avatars, away from adult avatars who would opt to prey on them?

However there has to be a level of tolerance and I do have that with this issue and many other things I think are not right. Just because I don't approve doesn't mean I should crazy over it and petitioning to ban it. Just remember people have less tolerance when it comes to kids though.[/QUOTE]

slightly off topic from name calling but I am wondering, we as SL Child AV's are we safer not verifying as it stands now with land flagging? If we verify arent we stating we wish to be allowed in places with explicit sexual content and strong violence? I for one wont verify for those reasons. However I would like other, honest opinions.... Im guessing this is on topic hehe.

To be accurate claiming the view of someone else as narrow minded because you have a different view is in fact narrow minded. The majority of the planet earth would find child avatars in an adult game not right. The reason for his is very simple. This is just USA stats.
http://www.safechild.org/abuse.htm

Instead of calling him narrow minded and trying to insight a fight why can't you just be happy he is not on a crusade to ban you and all your child avatar friends? Coming to a forum and talking like that is not going to help your position in the age play realm. Pissing off people that could easily gain enough support to have age play at any level completely banned is a narrow minded move...

Your best bet is just be quiet and do as you will in SL.... As he said there is a level of tolerance but by coming here and pushing the tolerance limit by not being tolerant yourself is not going to get you very far.

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A short temper?

Seriously I did come off a bit harsh but hearing the same arguments over and over have made me a bit testy and I apologize for that.

I can see your point there, but not verifying could make things difficult for any 'family' that currently lives in a Mature sim. I imagine that all current mature sims will ultimately end up getting flagged as Restricted - although a lot of that is still anyone's guess.

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People did not stop joining SL the day you joined..... lol New players are going to be surprised. READ THE VERY FIRST POST of this thread.. lol

Also he really isn't attacking anything. He says he tolerates it and lets it be. How is that attacking? You guys are the one's attacking him if anything. lol Also the more you guys defend your selfs the more attention you are bringing on your selfs. May not be a good idea.

I know and this whole thing has me baffled. but my family lives on my sim its mature but it wont be tagged. I may be going against what LL wants but I also believe Im doing what is right in my situation. Hence asking opinions

Not mad at anything. I just don't see any logic in guys posts. If you disagree with him then state it. Calling him narrow minded is just trolling for a fight.

I wasnt clear hehe the short temper was pointed at myself as an answer

Holy Jesus, Nina and I agree on something! Well said Nina.

Yeah not trying to start anything on age playing at all. My points of view are just that. Agree or not I am not going to try and change your mind.

My main interest in posting in this thread was LL's lack of ability to properly update the TOS and CS when they change something and how ridiculously vague it is. I read the TOS how I see it posted on the site. There is no way anyone can really know what they are doing is right or wrong the way the have it written now and how some parts of it do not exist directly IN the TOS posted or to the new TOS we just agreed to this last week.

Also the other parts of the TOS taking away all our copyrights and intellectual rights and them having no accountability when things worth money are gone.

I've gone back an forth on dis. For now, I'm not gonna verify. I dun see no value in it for me.



SL is what you make of it. Some of it is very adult, some of it is not. But to say that the *logic* behind "child avatars should not be in SL" is because of real-world child abuse is faulty logic as best. I'm not even gonna talk about speaking for "the majority of planet Earth" as I don't know even a majority of em, but I s'pect most wouldn't have an opinion either way, really.

Mari

Anyone know a good place for a child furry AV?

Really, the beginning and the end of it is a basic question- Is it okay? Should they be reported?

The answers are Yes and No respectively. People who've been on the forums a while know that pretty much any thread that deals with child avies or gor (completely unrelated but that's the breaks) tends to wind up a super hot topic that's debated by people going back and forth not trying to change each others opinions while stating them very forcefully.

Child avies are allowed in non sexual manners on the grid. LL has confirmed it a few times, and the continued presence of the very public and vocal child avies on the grid when they would have been easy to find and ban just confirms it.

Whether you like it or not, as long as there's no sexual context- it's allowed and that answers the OPs question.

Cub Conclave



I was not talking about him, I was speaking in a general fashion. You know, like when people orbit me or fire weapons at me because I'm a child avatar.

Ya know, RL kids get abused physically every day, an I dun hear people talkin about dat in here. Hmn.

As for not drawing attention. Well, we've ended up kinda having to. There seem to be plenty of people more'n willing to speak out against us, an, well, someone has to speak for us else we'll jes be marched over, no?

Mari

Eh, no.

I have no opinion on the issue of adults playing child AVs in non-sexual situations, but what you wrote there is basically saying: anyone who is involved in any kind of play that others may find odd or inappropriate in any way should just shut up, lay low, and stay in your closets, and don't come to the forums and be all "uppity" about yourselves.

That, frankly, is bunk. People participating in non-prohibited kinds of play in SL have every right to trumpet what they are doing, even if some people in the community don't like it. Telling people to "be quiet" is simply a form of intolerance itself. It's basically saying that I'm okay with what you do as long as you don't go around celebrating what you do as if it's a good thing. That's not very tolerant at all.

this has been a very enlightening thread i seemed to have start.

mature sim, = mature avs. my opinion.
pg sim = anyone. my opinion.