Any Land Owners interested in a class action suit?

It would be a pain but relatively easy, laws are very wary of ponzis and mercenaries and absurd schemes clothed as Utopian visions sold to consumers as blue sky.

My God, then sue Al Gore, because the Internet is one huge supersystem of ponzi schemes and the government should shut it all down.

This thread sooooooo delivers!

and delivers and delivers

Really though my understanding of class action lawsuits (from reading a John Grisham novel) is that the lawyers bringing the suit advertise for people to join. I've seen these ads in the paper and in magazines and even on tv; they say something like "Did you buy product x from company y in December of 2007? Please call this number to see if you qualify participate in our class action lawsuit as one of the plaintiffs."

I don't think the group usually forms first and then seeks legal advise.

Yes, true. I think the intention of forming the group first is to get some very much needed cash to present to a lawyer. Even though it has been said a few times here that if there was merit for a case a lawyer willing to take it would do it pro bono.

We won't let that get in the way of a good village torching though.

OK ok ok.... this is just crazy, i just got here and I have talked to several ppl who own businesses and Land who have gotten ripped off by other Second Life residents, so why the hell do you think I or n e one else with common sense would give you any MONEY for a "Good Lawyer". Good Lawyers do not exist, what plant r u smoking? You seen that man shoot at that lawyer in front of that court house on national tv, and you think imma break my back to give someone who deserves to be shot my money? You are huffing a heavy one lady. Instead, i will do some advertisement outside of SL and bring more ppl here. Not try to run them out. Of course LL has their good and their bad, but they are putting all of this up for you, so YOU, I and everyone else can have some sort of business opportunity. Depending on what you know, will let you know how far you can go. So, please do not come here trying to make your opinion everyones. It sounds like you have an excuse for ppl to give you lindens... and who owns the group? Let me guess... You chilly, right? **goes in-world to check**


Well its not owned by her, but damn the owner sure is pimpin' her all across this forum!

Al and Tipper in their formative years

It has everything. Comedy. Drama. Tears and Anger. Hidden agendas, accusations, and bickering!
The only thing it doesn't have is an end... just yet. Grab popcorn!

I'm surprised this is still going. Most companies the fastest way to get yourself locked down is with legal threats.

lol, awesome.

Then perhaps you'd like to tell us why he started this thread, suggesting that people might join the group, so that it can be determined if there's a case (any case at all) to sue LL. What was his reason for doing that? Explain please. What *IS* his intent?

To be a whiny bitch about the gambling ban ruining his life?

He sells tents?

Chilly appears to be focusing on an exit strategy - and maximizing his return when he cashes out. But if he waited even a year from now, the cost would be less thanks to the developments like OpenSim and Central Grid. It's the dreaded competition pushing prices down. It is something that *has* to happen in time. Getting huffy over it is a pointless exercise unless you fell just outside the grace period. Your overall expenditures for an island over the course of two years is not significantly different, thanks to tier.

Chilly should focus on maximizing the use of the islands rather than cashing out if the islands are profitable. If they aren't, then yes, that's a business decision that needs to be made.

Nope. It's highly improbable that any lawyer would ever take up a civil litigation case for anything SL related regardless of the merits. If there is merit for a lawsuit some lawyers might take the case on a contingency fee basis but that is not the same as pro bono.

Those ads do not go out until the law firm has been retained by at least one class plaintiff already. It's a violation of the code of ethics for any law firm to do otherwise.

Ah. But I think there are firms which specialize in class action suits? (according to John Grisham). I was under the impression that they make their money by getting big cuts of big settlements not by charging the person who initially hires them.
I guess OP wants to raise enough money to buy a consultation with an expert.

Yes, there are firms which specialize in class action suits and some of them do work on contingency fees.

Presumable such a suit against LL would be groundbreaking.

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Ignorant? Asshole? A lethal combination of the two? Which is it? My money is on the latter. Just plug stupid and too big of an asshole to realize it. Saying that an entire profession deserves to be shot is pretty low.

On topic - Chilly's post made me lol. There is no way in hell any sort of class action lawsuit is EVER going to happen and the thought is so ludicrous that it deserves nothing but ridicule. We get it Chilly. You feel that you got burned when Ll shut down your illegal businesses so they wouldn't face potential criminal prosecution. Poor thing. Now your sims, if you still own them, have been devalued further by a move that was entirely legal and legitimate on LL's part.

Your chances of getting any sympathy from me, especially in light of your new "class action lawsuit" are somewhere between zero and zero.

The law can certainly be "an ass" at times and no doubt some lawyers make bad situations worse. But I've gotta say that all the lawyers I personally know are exceptionally decent, conscientious, and helpful people. You are certainly a credit to the profession, Trout. And now we have, at no charge, your expert opinion on the subject at hand. Thanks.

see how many people will give him 100usd (or linden equivalent).

guarantee if anyone did do it there will be a thread about it

Thank you.

lolsuit

Doesn't sound to me like Chilly expects to use the "they banned gambling" argument. Sounds to me that the the land thing is the chief issue at this point.

LL falsely advertises about "ownership." They pitch an economy run and owned by residents. They claim to have a community standard--which is not enforced worth a darn.

In one breath the Linden is fictional and cannot be exchanged then says it can be exchanged. Its all tranparent double talk. They say they own every Linden$ in the game. The "assets" the avatars, all of it....is owned by them----yet they advertise otherwise.

It was LL that was allowing the illegal gambling. How much money did they make with all those casinos...while they were flying under the radar?

It is LL that allows the land scams. It is LL denying responsibility. They want it both ways, while advertising a third way.

If it was all just fictional and had no heavy monetary impact on others, then so what if they change the Linden price of a sim? Then it wouldn't matter. But we are talking about REAL money. I think the sims should be included in the Premium accounts and for minimal fees, and all sims should be on people local computers, but to transtion to that, which IS inevitable, LL can't just crap on existing land owners who spent REAL money, after believing their advertising. They want to kill their most loyal residents? Very bad business, but also creepy and crooked.

Regardless of the excuses or avoidance, LL has been complicit with the gambling and the Ginko/banking /ponzi scams and are complicit with the land scams, just by virtue of the fact that they only give lip service about enforcing anything, but still benefit from the crooks and cheats, payments.

LL has not a leg to stand on. Their TOS is unconscionable and has already been found to be such in court. Either their ethics are unconscionable or their haphazard behavior is bumbling---either way they are responsible. They are breaking all kinds of laws and codes and rules. They have been inadvertently or dumbly (you can decide) violating all kinds of banking, security and investment laws. They can "print" Lindens out of thin air, yet did not reimburse people who have been scammed--due to their flakey systems and enforcement, by simply printing Lindens.

With sim owners, who have had a reasonable expectation of being able to sell their sims if they have to, LL has now altered that drastically, without making ANY provisions for those existing sim owners who are overnight finding their sims value is cut drastically. They could at least lower tier for those people until the difference is made up---anything to demonstrate good faith.

LL cannot legally offer investments, but they do. The whole thing has been based on that. The fundamental mistake was the way they designed the world using their servers. rather then sticking to what they say in their sales pitch about "ownership," and pretend they are just a service provider---as though they are merely a Web host changing the price of their services. Give me a break.

Some smart attorney could make a bundle off this one, if he could find enough people who have broken free of the effects of the kool-aid.