Do you prefer the official fora or other unofficial fora?
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Rioko Bamaisin
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09-25-2008 05:24
From: Beezle Warburton Why? Never let not really knowing what's going on keep your from inserting your $0.02us! Yes, I am sure 85 percent of the people would never post if that was the case. 
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Maureen Boccaccio
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09-25-2008 05:38
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Qie Niangao
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09-25-2008 05:54
There are a few active threads now on both forums touching on this topic, and I've been idly wading through them. There are a couple of evocative analogies made (in an SLU thread) that seem apt. One likens SLU to a bar, another to a small town, both making the point that a poster is expected to try to fit in--and implicitly but perhaps more to the point, to *want* to fit in.
I think that is much less assumed here, by posters or readers. It's just a bigger "town" here: a little more anonymous, a little less protective.
While moderation styles may have something to do with it, I think it's really more a function of the number of different posters. SLU has an impressively large membership count, but the concentration of posts to individual posters is still very much higher there than here (even excluding J.N. from the statistics).
It's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of preference. It's my sense that if one wants to fit in to a closely-knit community, one is likely to prefer SLU. In contrast, if one finds it difficult or unappealing to do what's expected in order to fit in, then SLU may not be so welcoming. (And being welcome is important to most posters, I think, although I sense that the OP and I both don't much care about that.)
So, anyway, if I'm right about the "feel" of SLU depending on the number of posters, it begs the question of whether the current SLU posters would be as happy if that forum were to suddenly double or triple in size. On an individual basis, I'm sure they'd like new members, but at scale, I'm not sure the results would be to their liking.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-25-2008 05:58
OMG....Remember that? That was probably the funniest thing I've seen. Thanks for bringing it back.  It's now saved in my Hard Drive..thanks to RealPlayer, ironically. 
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Brenda Connolly
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09-25-2008 06:07
From: Gabriele Graves I doubt anyone would think Katt heavy handed for locking this thread. No, but not doing so right away is a good move as well. Give a warning, show she is watching and see if the classroom will settle down before she takes out the yardstick.
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Maureen Boccaccio
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09-25-2008 06:22
From: Brenda Connolly No, but not doing so right away is a good move as well. Give a warning, show she is watching and see if the classroom will settle down before she takes out the yardstick. oooh, you mean like "thank you sir/ma'am, may I have another"??? 
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Vivianne Draper
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09-25-2008 06:22
From: Qie Niangao There are a few active threads now on both forums touching on this topic, and I've been idly wading through them. There are a couple of evocative analogies made (in an SLU thread) that seem apt. One likens SLU to a bar, another to a small town, both making the point that a poster is expected to try to fit in--and implicitly but perhaps more to the point, to *want* to fit in.
I think that is much less assumed here, by posters or readers. It's just a bigger "town" here: a little more anonymous, a little less protective.
While moderation styles may have something to do with it, I think it's really more a function of the number of different posters. SLU has an impressively large membership count, but the concentration of posts to individual posters is still very much higher there than here (even excluding J.N. from the statistics).
It's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of preference. It's my sense that if one wants to fit in to a closely-knit community, one is likely to prefer SLU. In contrast, if one finds it difficult or unappealing to do what's expected in order to fit in, then SLU may not be so welcoming. (And being welcome is important to most posters, I think, although I sense that the OP and I both don't much care about that.)
So, anyway, if I'm right about the "feel" of SLU depending on the number of posters, it begs the question of whether the current SLU posters would be as happy if that forum were to suddenly double or triple in size. On an individual basis, I'm sure they'd like new members, but at scale, I'm not sure the results would be to their liking. already happened twice Qie. BTW HAI!
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Brenda Connolly
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09-25-2008 06:36
I was thinking pretty much the same thing as Qie just last night. This place is a more transitory type environment, despite the regulars, who can't seem to find anything better to do with our time, most people come and go, don't really forge relationships here. Over there, They are in world friends and in many cases have RL relationships of one form or another. A smaller group are sort of the Wandering Tribe of SL, starting here, going to Second Citizwn, then on to SLU. Some have gone on and started Terror of Thought.
Over here, because of the structure, serious debate and discussion really isn't possible. There is now place to discuss, politics, current events, religion and science. Actually I'm glad. Those are the areas of SL that I stay away from. I don't look to the Forums for deep meaningful discussions, it's just an extension of My SL Theme Park Experience.
Over there those areas are very active, and a lot of the posters there do enjoy the debating, and are very passionate about it, and it gets gritty at times. But essentially, both places are similar. If you make a reasonable effort to go with the flow of the room, you should be OK. On both boards people have come in expecting trouble and they get it.And sometimes personalities clash. That's human nature.
I actually saw the posting that the person in question made on SLU that led to HIM ASKING to be banned. It wasn't up long. But it really is a deeply personal issue that should be left alone. I do understand the eyebrow raising when someone with a profile like that goes away, the rumor mill starts running. Perhaps under the circumstances an brief announcement over there stating "So and SO has asked to have his accout disabled for personal reasons" no further questions would have been a good idea. But that's hindsight. The parties involved handled it their way, . I will so it was distressing to see it dragged over here, I felt the notecard passing was terribly bad form, no matter what the percieved injustice was. I'm glad that has been stopped.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-25-2008 06:36
From: Maureen Boccaccio oooh, you mean like "thank you sir/ma'am, may I have another"???  Get in the Van, Mo.
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Qie Niangao
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09-25-2008 07:24
From: Vivianne Draper already happened twice Qie. BTW HAI!  Hiya, Viv!  Yeah, I have no idea at what membership count the anomie sets in. If this place seems hostile to some, I think it's really the uncaring masses more than anything personal. Also, tangentially, and possibly just my own semantic idiosyncrasy: The oft-cited bit about a forum being "cliquey" has always seemed a little off, when the intent was to imply a *single* "in-crowd". To me, one clique has the sound of one hand clapping. So by my definition, in theory at least, there's more room for separate cliques to develop here than at SLU. I don't really see it happening in either place, but perhaps I just have a tin ear for social dynamics. I do think there really is more of an "in crowd" at SLU--but one that's inclusive of most posters. Here... I dunno... there are regular posters and friends and people who agree or disagree on different topics, but there's not the same community feel about the place. What's really odd is when folks point to the "Forum Cartel" as a clique, when even its name pokes ironic fun at the lack of such community within the forum itself.
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Jerboa Haystack
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09-25-2008 07:30
I joined both communities this week. So far? Meh...I can't really tell the difference in people. But the topics are different. So that's reason enough to keep one foot in each forum. 
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3Ring Binder
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09-25-2008 07:51
From: Briana Dawson Thank you, Rhaorth for clearing this up and absolving me. It just seems at least 1 person here (3Ring) held a grudge against me for a perceived attack i made against you in that thread and basically came in here and personally insulted me over it. My post was meant as comedy relief. yes, that is how it happened. i thot she was calling you (Rha) that name, and that is why i had defended you (again) in this thread. it's been cleared up.
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Love Hastings
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09-25-2008 08:10
From: 3Ring Binder yes, that is how it happened. i thot she was calling you (Rha) that name, and that is why i had defended you (again) in this thread. it's been cleared up. Even if you had been right, your reaction (and grudge holding abilities) are *way* over the top. Get help.
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Gabriele Graves
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09-25-2008 16:43
From: Brenda Connolly No, but not doing so right away is a good move as well. Give a warning, show she is watching and see if the classroom will settle down before she takes out the yardstick. No disagreement here
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Maureen Boccaccio
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09-25-2008 16:45
From: Brenda Connolly Get in the Van, Mo. I'm ready. I have snacks and toys. When do we leave?
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Gabriele Graves
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09-25-2008 16:47
From: Maureen Boccaccio I'm ready. I have snacks and toys. When do we leave? O.o deviant trip and Mo with the Scooby snax 
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-25-2008 17:42
From: 3Ring Binder yes, that is how it happened. i thot she was calling you (Rha) that name, and that is why i had defended you (again) in this thread. it's been cleared up. as I already said, I was able to put it behind me, others should be able to as well you and I had a huge falling out, and in that regard I was very shocked to see you standing up for me, and in so doing, falsely accusing someone of something they did not do I do not ask for anyone to stand up for me, or fight my battles (when there is a battle to be fought) your being pissed at Briana for something you thought she did to me, ages ago (a lifetime in net time) is mind boggling, and all it does is stir bad feelings among folks where there are non. For the first part when I saw you "stand up" for me I was like... huh? Did Briana do something that I never saw? Did she belittle me or bad mouth me behind my back? Why? She doesn't even know me.... Then I continued to read... keeping calm, not assuming and... lo and behold, your comments about her were false and nearly lead to me being pissy about something that was false. I am glad I did not just stop reading at that point. Now... being that you totally misunderstood all that, maybe now you can think about the things you said to me, the insults you threw my way, and the fact that you thought I did something I did not do, and realize that you also misunderstood that too. next time do not be so quick to defend an ex-friend (me) I do not need you to stand up for me, nor do I want you to use any words that were used against me by another, to be thrown back at them and used against them, and do not be so damn quick to insult people. (you do tend to lash out and throw insults around willy nilly, I know from experience, as I have been on the receiving end of such tantrums, and in no way, shape or form, did I deserve the insults you fired at me, the only thing I am thankful for, is you had the decency to do it in private IM's... which you could very well have done for Briana as well) Briana I have no problem saying it the way I saw it I made a mistake in posting the thread I posted, got flack for it, hell I do not even remember what was said, but I do recall the post that 3 is referring to and it was not even in the thread I started, it was on SLU and I knew it was not directed at me.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-25-2008 17:45
From: 3Ring Binder yes, that is how it happened. i thot she was calling you (Rha) that name, and that is why i had defended you (again) in this thread. it's been cleared up. From: Love Hastings Even if you had been right, your reaction (and grudge holding abilities) are *way* over the top. Get help. Agreed the strange part is 3 told me she wanted nothing else to do with me, insulting me to my very core, so I washed my hands of her... and moved on then I see her accusing someone of something that was not even true, and in regards to me, the one she claims needs mental help.... hmmm I don't think I am the one in need of mental help... and... why hold a grudge that doesn't even have anything to do with you... and is in relation to someone you have shown hostility towards... *shrug*
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From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar.  They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
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3Ring Binder
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09-25-2008 18:19
From: Rhaorth Antonelli you and I had a huge falling out, and in that regard I was very shocked to see you standing up for me, and in so doing, falsely accusing someone of something they did not do know what? i really cared about you. i guess i still sort of do, even though you are unable to put yourself in my shoes. i hope you saved the PM's. why you chose to think i jumped ship and went against you is beyond me, but that's your cross to bear. no matter what though, i don't think anyone should be gang attacked. it's BS. and i won't stand by and watch it happen... to anyone. and i already accepted that i misunderstood her intentions, and i said i eat crow and suck her ass for falsely accusing her. at the time, i saw many people saying mean things about someone i cared for, so i defended. i am loyal that way. i think you should be appreciative... at least a little.
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09-25-2008 18:21
From: Rhaorth Antonelli For the first part when I saw you "stand up" for me I was like... huh? Did Briana do something that I never saw? Did she belittle me or bad mouth me behind my back? Why? She doesn't even know me.... Then I continued to read... keeping calm, not assuming and... lo and behold, your comments about her were false and nearly lead to me being pissy about something that was false. I am glad I did not just stop reading at that point. you deleted all your posts in between, so there's no way to know NOW what was really going on THEN. but i take both your word's for it.
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3Ring Binder
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09-25-2008 18:22
From: Rhaorth Antonelli Now... being that you totally misunderstood all that, maybe now you can think about the things you said to me, the insults you threw my way, and the fact that you thought I did something I did not do, and realize that you also misunderstood that too. hon, you have it backwards. you misunderstood ME amd thought "i did something that i did nto do"... i totally get you. i have no idea what you are talking about here.
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3Ring Binder
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09-25-2008 18:24
From: Rhaorth Antonelli Briana I have no problem saying it the way I saw it I made a mistake in posting the thread I posted, got flack for it, hell I do not even remember what was said, but I do recall the post that 3 is referring to and it was not even in the thread I started, it was on SLU and I knew it was not directed at me. actually, the post in question is here, not SLU. and YOU started the thread. anything that happened in SLU is not anything i will go seek. so i have agreed to give Brianna the benefit of the doubt. even moreso now that she says she was not talking about you, but instead - the person who started the whole evil thing in the first place.
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09-25-2008 18:27
From: Love Hastings Even if you had been right, your reaction (and grudge holding abilities) are *way* over the top. Get help. do i need to go to the neverending thread and find the post where you started jumping my shit -out of the blue- for something that has nothing to do with you? or did you delete it? who holds a grudge? you, me thinks. i just never forget. but i do forgive.
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Love Hastings
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09-25-2008 18:31
From: 3Ring Binder do i need to go to the neverending thread and find the post where you started jumping my shit -out of the blue- for something that has nothing to do with you? or did you delete it? who holds a grudge? you, me thinks.
i just never forget. but i do forgive. Was that the "tell us what you really think comment?" If so, then wow, are you sensitive. Otherwise, go for it. Actually, nevermind. I'll concede the point because I just don't care enough to bother.
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3Ring Binder
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09-25-2008 18:35
From: Love Hastings Was that the "tell us what you really think comment?" If so, then wow, are you sensitive. Otherwise, go for it. Actually, nevermind. I'll concede the point because I just don't care enough to bother. i wasn't being sensitive. i was being playful. i responded in jest saying 'you don't really want to know' and you got all serious n stuff. why?
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