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Drama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anya Ristow
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08-24-2009 11:28
From: Raymond Figtree
I like you a lot on the forums and think I would feel the same if I met you in real life. :)


Thanks, Ray :)
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Dana Hickman
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08-24-2009 11:30
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
I probably wasn't that clear in my OP, but when I was talking about dealing with conflict avatar to avatar, it was in comparison to dealing with it in a venue like the forums, rather than comparing it to rl.

Ahh gotchya...
Ok, what Raymond said then :p
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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08-24-2009 11:32
From: Anya Ristow
I'm autistic, so I'm not very articulate.


Oh and btw ... I don't recall reading many of your other posts in the forums, but I can say that you have been very articulate in this thread. :)
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08-24-2009 11:33
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
That's a really interesting point as I've read that there is a fairly large community of persons with autism spectrum disorders such as Asperger syndrome in second life. My understanding was that the lack of visual cues in SL such as body language and other non-verbal cues, in fact make it easier for someone like yourself to socialize with others due to SL's lack of emotional subtleties, that might be more difficult to interpret than in real life. Would that be fairly accurate to say?


Yes. SL sort of 'levels the playing field' for us, so that both sides are having to use text to convey their thoughts as well as "emotional" overtones. Where as IRL, most people use the non verbal clues to add details to what they are saying, but I miss all those.
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08-24-2009 11:35
From: Amity Slade
"Drama," to me, has an element of narcissim. A person creates drama as a means of calling attention to oneself, as in the child who misbehaves to get Mom's attention.


This.
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08-24-2009 11:42
Drama on page 1....Good Stuff later.....a switch......you might be on to something Joshooah.

From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
I probably wasn't that clear in my OP, but when I was talking about dealing with conflict avatar to avatar, it was in comparison to dealing with it in a venue like the forums, rather than comparing it to rl.


If you're in a conflict inworld....isn't it generally "one on one?" In forum, you might have to deal with the behaviors that Lias mentions, and you have to deal with a crowd. Twists the whole situation.

If you're misunderstood, you have much more of an opportunity to get your point across one-on-one with another av inworld, than to battle a crowd in forum that is going off in all different directions, and in trying to address each direction that a different person ran with. You can also add significant details to explain your thoughts, in the one-on-one conversation, that you can't necessarily add in a group situation (although some do)....so that might make you more relaxed or "civil" av to av.....or at least it should.
Desmond Shang
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08-24-2009 12:05
I probably seem to be at my absolute 'nicest' here, because of the forum rules.

Can't name names, and a number of other things like that. So without the ability to speak plainly, I simply don't discuss a number of subjects here at all.

Inworld, it's rare for anyone to really get me going but I can be both a lot nicer and a lot more acerbic. 95%+ of residents are good, honest, decent to the core people. Regarding that last 5%, I won't hesitate to say what I think.

In the real world, let me put it this way. Before I started my own company, I ran an engineering department of over a dozen people. Within my tenure there that company literally doubled its multimillion dollar revenue, and the strength of its cutting edge products was a very significant part, if not just about all of that. One doesn't do that by running the engineering department like a cruise ship handicrafts activity room, or a preschool with ice cream breaks and naps.

Was I nice? The hardworking, self motivated types thought I was completely "hands off" and pleasant. Those with trouble finding self motivation got fired. In my personal life, I'm very nice to waiters (I tip 20 to 25% and never give them trouble), I'm *quite* strict with kids but am also deeply involved with my kid's lives and activities. At home I'm rather difficult to live with and always have been.

From: Brenda Connolly


To answer the question....The me you see in the forums is the inworld me......and it really isn't much different from the RL me.


Reminds me of another favourite of mine...

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Dekka Raymaker
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08-24-2009 12:10
What! Jesus Christ you can't spell foolishness ?
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08-24-2009 12:14
From: Mickey Vandeverre
If you're misunderstood, you have much more of an opportunity to get your point across one-on-one with another av inworld, than to battle a crowd in forum that is going off in all different directions, and in trying to address each direction that a different person ran with.
This is why I like in-world discussion groups like The Thinkers and Prok's topic-based convos (I would attend if I wasn't muted). I hope when the forums go away we have more of these in-world convos that do not turn into cliques.
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08-24-2009 12:14
From: Amity Slade
I don't see "Drama" as just a broad label for conflict or not getting along. "Drama," to me, has an element of narcissim. A person creates drama as a means of calling attention to oneself, as in the child who misbehaves to get Mom's attention. People who create drama either don't know positive means of social interaction, or believe that those positive means are ineffective and creating the "Drama" is the only means of getting someone's attention. Negative attention is still attention; when others react to the drama, that prove to the one creating the drama that he indeed has some influence and control over his surroundings.

Conflict, in and of itself, isn't necessarily a bad thing. Not every relationship is a perfect one. Human beings have emotions; it is human to be sad, angry, or hurt. One doesn't just turn off those emotions, and often one needs to express them to move past them. Yelling or crying among friends now is less expensive than therapy, and is certainly better than going on a mass-murder/suicide spree years from now. (The mass-murderers are always the silent ones who kept to themselves and never upset anyone, aren't they?)


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08-24-2009 12:29
From: Dekka Raymaker
What! Jesus Christ you can't spell foolishness ?


It was a colloquialism of the day.
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08-24-2009 12:33
From: Brenda Connolly


To answer the question....The me you see in the forums is the inworld me......and it really isn't much different from the RL me.
THIS !!!! (on all points).
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08-24-2009 12:35
From: Czari Zenovka
I'm the type who will start conversations in elevators.
I used to run around with this gal that would go to the bathroom at the bar and come out knowing the entire life history of everyone in there, and they would have been told hers as well. She was an odd one.
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08-24-2009 12:37
From: Lias Leandros
I am amazed that the act of turning on a computer reduces some folks into passive aggressive pre-teens.
For many, it is just the act of waking up that does this.
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08-24-2009 12:41
From: Raymond Figtree
For some reason, when you are face to face with another avatar, it takes away a level of anonymity and usually results in people being more civil and less rude to each other than we are in IM or on the forums. Even without the facial expressions, just having an avatar standing there makes the conversation seem more "real".
I find this to be true also. IMing inworld or posting in the forums or PMing here - they all still take a degree off of the 'real person' aspect of things. Or maybe it is just that those methods result is slower interplay (at least the last two would).
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08-24-2009 12:51
From: Desmond Shang
One doesn't do that by running the engineering department like a cruise ship handicrafts activity room, or a preschool with ice cream breaks and naps.
That is soooooooooo not fair.
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08-24-2009 12:51
It isn't a question of "forums or inworld", or even real world. I have a different style depending on my audience. People that are a waste of time get short shrift; interesting people get my attention; discerning people get my devotion; but people that are impolite to me anywhere get it back in spades.

Pep (listens first, then acts. :cool: )
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Finn Rhiannyr
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08-24-2009 12:51
in my experience some people create their own drama and enjoy being the centre of attention......it's an adrenaline rush, a drug-like euphoria.....and purely a kick.........I also think it's self-destructive, but it's just a behavioual problem that can be addressed............
I walk away from attention seekers and go and play with my extendable attachments........
Joshooah Lovenkraft
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08-24-2009 13:01
From: Pserendipity Daniels
It isn't a question of "forums or inworld", or even real world. I have a different style depending on my audience. People that are a waste of time get short shrift; interesting people get my attention; discerning people get my devotion; but people that are impolite to me anywhere get it back in spades.

Pep (listens first, then acts. :cool: )


I think we all have different communication styles based on our audiences. However, do you find you get in "trouble" less in-world vs the forums, or is it about the same?
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08-24-2009 13:09
Hmm.. I guess I'm pretty much the same either way. I tend to respond, but rarely start conversations on my own. Probably because I am usually too busy reading or working.


As for drama? What drama? This is normal for the SL boards.. no, no it isn't. This is pretty tame compared to usual.
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08-24-2009 13:20
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
I think we all have different communication styles based on our audiences. However, do you find you get in "trouble" less in-world vs the forums, or is it about the same?
Of course I get more "trouble" in the forums! ;)

Pep (I choose my audience in rl and inworld *much* more selectively; here just about any idiot can post. :p )
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08-24-2009 14:54
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I choose my audience in rl and inworld *much* more selectively;...


Using the word "audience" is rather a giveaway. That's exactly what you crave.

From: someone
...here just about any idiot can post. :p )


A hearty congratulations for succinctly proving your own point with your own post.
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08-24-2009 14:56
From: Love Hastings
Using the word "audience" is rather a giveaway. That's exactly what you crave.



A hearty congratulations for succinctly proving your own point with your own post.

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08-24-2009 15:00
All the bickering reminds me of something I read online long ago.....

Fighting on the Internet is like winning a Gold Medal at the Special Olympics- Even when you "win" you're still a retard. :p
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08-24-2009 15:04
Ooh, Tod nooo. NOT politically correct at all.
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