Private sims can make their own rules??
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-20-2009 10:29
From: Ciaran Laval If you want to get your alt verified file a support ticket. I have two alts who are NPIOF who have been verified by LL after filing a ticket. I know this is an aside  I do NOT want to, as many others do not want to. It has sort of become an experiment to see if you HAVE to. At this point, it seems you do not. Will not go into detail about "activities", but seems that those are alive and well off of Zindra. ETA: Keep in mind that this all for the sake of "research"  But there have been times when a tp was sent to her, and knowing full well the source and intention of the tp....one would assume that when she clicked on it to tp, it would be a no go, as it would go to Zindra. Not once has it been a no go.
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Tarina Sewell
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10-20-2009 10:47
From: Briana Dawson So you see "adult" content on a mature PRIVATE SIM, and you report it...
I see.
I just estate banned your ass. yup
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Daniel Regenbogen
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10-20-2009 10:51
From: Tarina Sewell No kidding!! A private sim is just that private!! Why dont you stay out of private sims! Stick to the mainland whereeverything is disneyfied.
estate banned as well here Maybe there is simply a misunderstanding? LL uses the term "Private Island" simply as distinction from mainland - this term doesn't imply that such a "Private Island" is non-public.
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 10:55
From: Nika Talaj So far as I can see from Linden behavior, adult content on Mature land will be tolerated so long as it is not advertised. I'd be interested to hear about examples to the contrary.
well really if it is not advertised then it becomes mature content..the content changes depending on how it is presented.. if i had a sign using adult search keyword to get the landmark..thats adult..if i don't use those then it is mature..this is why places can still sell sex beds and other things people may consider adult content..if they stay away from adult images and words to describe it then it's just mature content.. it can be a box filled with orgy balls and rape balls and whatever else that a lot think is adult content..if it is not advertising using those words then the contents are mature content.. this is why we can have those type of pose balls in our houses if we want..they are mature content if they are in our private homes or behind closed doors not being advertised.. the content itself does not set the rating ..the way it is presented sets the rating.
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Ciaran Laval
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10-20-2009 11:02
From: Ceka Cianca the content itself does not set the rating ..the way it is presented sets the rating. What seems to set the rating appears to be the search words. It now appears that an orgy room is perfectly acceptable as long as they don't advertise it as an orgy room, although they don't seem to be doing much about orgy rooms that still advertise as orgy rooms!
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 11:11
From: Daniel Regenbogen Maybe there is simply a misunderstanding? LL uses the term "Private Island" simply as distinction from mainland - this term doesn't imply that such a "Private Island" is non-public. the same rules apply for private sims as they do for mainland..but the thing with private sims is it's just a matter of changing the rating where mainlands can't..also you can set a private sim to a group only access..if it's open to the public and is using the adult features then it has to switch it's rating.
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Daniel Regenbogen
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10-20-2009 11:14
From: Ceka Cianci the same rules apply for private sims as they do for mainland..but the thing with private sims is it's just a matter of changing the rating where mainlands can't..also you can set a private sim to a group only access..if it's open to the public and is using the adult features then it has to switch it's rating. I know. But some here might confuse "Private Island" with "closed to the public". While I would be totally against people snooping around on "closed" regions and then sending ARs, things are different for public venues that simply are located on "Private Islands" in the LL term of definition.
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 11:21
From: Ciaran Laval What seems to set the rating appears to be the search words. It now appears that an orgy room is perfectly acceptable as long as they don't advertise it as an orgy room, although they don't seem to be doing much about orgy rooms that still advertise as orgy rooms! exactly..it cannot be part of a strip club or part of a business or anything that draws the public to it..it would have to be like me inviting you and 40 of your friends over to my house for a party..just social out of sight activity.. as far as them not doing much to catch the ones out there advertising and making their stuff adult..as blondin pretty much led in his one meeting..they want people to get out there and draw the six shooters and AR away..a lot said..no you do it..it's not our job not ours.. so who knows how long it will take.. i just know there is a lot of confusion still on what is adult and what is mature..
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 11:27
From: Daniel Regenbogen I know. But some here might confuse "Private Island" with "closed to the public". While I would be totally against people snooping around on "closed" regions and then sending ARs, things are different for public venues that simply are located on "Private Islands" in the LL term of definition. i'm not sure i am following you on what is different on private island venues compared to say mainland? the rules are pretty clear on the two..you have more advantages and tools with a private island when it comes to being able to adjust..but the rules are the same mainland or private sim.. if we take out the favoritism factor i mean hehehehe
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Daniel Regenbogen
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10-20-2009 11:29
From: Ceka Cianci i'm not sure i am following you on what is different on private island venues compared to say mainland? the rules are pretty clear on the two..you have more advantages and tools with a private island when it comes to being able to adjust..but the rules are the same mainland or private sim.. if we take out the favoritism factor i mean hehehehe Okay, hehe, I'll try to explain again. Two or more people here estate banned the OP for abuse reporting something he found on a "private SIM", telling him to just stay out of private places. And I think *they* misunderstood this, that it was a public place that simply is located on a "private island" instead of mainland.
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Qie Niangao
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10-20-2009 11:42
From: Daniel Regenbogen Maybe there is simply a misunderstanding? LL uses the term "Private Island" simply as distinction from mainland - this term doesn't imply that such a "Private Island" is non-public. Oh, thanks! I'm pretty sure I misread that, myself, taking "private island" to mean Estate region, as opposed to "private": not public / not listed in Search. Yeah, it would be pretty meddlesome (and pointless) to go around ARing personal residences. (If they ever introduce a "sargeant island" I'll be even more easily confused.  )
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10-20-2009 11:44
Who promoted Major Major?
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 11:54
From: Daniel Regenbogen Okay, hehe, I'll try to explain again. Two or more people here estate banned the OP for abuse reporting something he found on a "private SIM", telling him to just stay out of private places. And I think *they* misunderstood this, that it was a public place that simply is located on a "private island" instead of mainland. Well if there were bots there it's more than likely it was a public place.. but also with so much confusion going on about what is mature and what is adult that the OP may have not been seeing adult content at all..it could have been mature.. she had said she saw what she "believed" to be adult content.. all i saw that she was trying to AR were the bots..LL pretty much said not to go around ARing if you see bots..that they would be taking care of it.. so maybe that is why her AR's are failing.. Private sim owners can make their own rules as long as they stay within the rules for the grid.. To say the truth...if i thought someone was going around ARing because of adult content and they put their name out there for al to see..who wouldn't ban them?who wants the headaches of all that? With soo much confusion on what is mature and what is adult..It's hard not to blame the ones that banned her.. There is still confusion in the forums of what is adult and what is mature..i know that the people on the grid are gonna be at the starting gate with this one lol 
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Milla Janick
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10-20-2009 12:19
From: Ceka Cianci To say the truth...if i thought someone was going around ARing because of adult content and they put their name out there for al to see..who wouldn't ban them?who wants the headaches of all that? Why wouldn't you switch your estate over to Adult? If you have Adult content on your Mature land, you're going to get the headache sooner or later. You can ban the one person you know would AR you for it, but chances are pretty good there are several others out there doing it you don't know about.
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Ciaran Laval
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10-20-2009 12:23
From: Milla Janick Why wouldn't you switch your estate over to Adult? The way LL have enacted the policy, it almost encourages people not to switch. They really aren't offering much of an incentive and those who have done the right thing are pretty damn peeved about it and as they write and talk about the downturn in business, others are going to think "Sod that for a game of soldiers, I'll wait until they force me to flag". From: Milla Janick If you have Adult content on your Mature land, you're going to get the headache sooner or later. You can ban the one person you know would AR you for it, but chances are pretty good there are several others out there doing it you don't know about. It would appear to be later, much much later. LL have really messed this up.
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Denver Ghost
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10-20-2009 12:34
From: Daniel Regenbogen This feature actually still *is* active for those regions that decided to activate it during the few days that was possible. Today estate owners can't put in their mail addy for this anymore, but if the region was switched to "ARs go to estate owner" during those few days, ARs still go to the estate owner and not LL. Thank you for the clarification. If we still get this notice, then it *IS* still valid. It just isn't a retroactive capability./..right?
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Daniel Regenbogen
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10-20-2009 12:36
From: Denver Ghost Thank you for the clarification. If we still get this notice, then it *IS* still valid. It just isn't a retroactive capability./..right? I own such a region and get the AR's to my mail.
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 12:39
From: Milla Janick Why wouldn't you switch your estate over to Adult?
If you have Adult content on your Mature land, you're going to get the headache sooner or later. You can ban the one person you know would AR you for it, but chances are pretty good there are several others out there doing it you don't know about. i am just saying that if it is under mature rating and i don't have a business then i wouldn't have to..that some just see what they think is adult content when it is actually mature.. myself my sim is adult content because we want to have a nude beach and some places where people can do things outside together..like sex.. on mature you can have a nude beach just not the sex..so if i want a nude beach without the sex in a mature sim.why wouldn't i stay mature? also at the same time i don't want people coming in my mature nude beach saying..omg you are all nude this sim needs to be rated adult.. advertise in adult advertising you will get people thinking your nude beach is for sex..advertise it in mature it is a lot more relaxed.. They are the ones that need to read and understand the rules just like i have.. if someone is on a witch hunt and i know it..they would be banned on mine if it was an adult sim or mature..just because witch hunts are bullcrap.. i didn't bann the OP i was just saying that i don't blame the others that have..they are just saving on the headaches..
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Denver Ghost
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10-20-2009 12:50
From: Chris Norse Why were you there in the first place? If you saw content you did not like, why didn't you just leave? From what it sounds like, preemptive estate bans of your AV sound like a good policy for all private land owners. People who take their fights from here to in-world disgust me, as does your suggestion. Ban me, too, while you're at it then. People like you are why 99% of the residents don't screw with these forums because they don't want to be retaliated against in-world. Absolutely disgusting proposal. It does work both ways you know friend.
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Teagan Parnas
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10-20-2009 13:08
Can i just add that i DO NOT go round looking for places or people to AR, i run 4 shops and am far to busy to do so, this was in fact the first time i had tried to put in a AR against anyone, i saw what was adult content on mature and 2 av clouds that where clearly camping bots, i was blocked from reporting both by the estate owner.that is why i posted this thread in the hope to get some feedback if this was right or wrong. LL bring out the rules but dont bother to enforce them, so if everyone turned a blind eye as many are suggesting on here then we may as well all go round breaking rules, hundreds of people compliled to LL adult rules and moved to Zindra, yet there are still hundreds on mainland and Private estates that have done nothing. And for estate owners just to reply on here that they will just ban me.....NP maybe they have something to hide, or will they ban everyone who Tps In and MIGHT AR them.
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Teagan Parnas
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10-20-2009 13:10
From: Denver Ghost People who take their fights from here to in-world disgust me, as does your suggestion. Ban me, too, while you're at it then. People like you are why 99% of the residents don't screw with these forums because they don't want to be retaliated against in-world. Absolutely disgusting proposal. It does work both ways you know friend. TY Denver: )
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Qie Niangao
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10-20-2009 13:12
From: Ceka Cianci advertise in adult advertising you will get people thinking your nude beach is for sex..advertise it in mature it is a lot more relaxed. This is another can of worms. As it stands, an Adult address is only Searchable with Adult content requested, regardless of the content on the parcel. In theory, that's fine: if you don't have adult content, don't site on an Adult region if you want people to find your stuff. What's gone so dreadfully wrong is that enforcement of the adult content policy has been ineffective to the point of irrelevance. As a consequence of that, many--even possibly most--intentional searches for adult content are being performed without the Adult flag set--and the searcher never even notices because there are so many adult results returned anyway. It's a kind of subtle tragedy of the commons. By falsely avoiding an Adult tag and thus making their offerings visible to non-Adult searches, merchants make that Adult tag even more burdensome for those who have followed the policy. (In contrast, if nearly all merchants, adult or not, had flagged as Adult, that adult tag would bring no noticeable penalty because everybody would need the Adult flag set all the time in order to get useful search results.) It's a vicious circle, too: the more people cheat about tagging, the greater the incentive to cheat.
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10-20-2009 13:38
From: Teagan Parnas Can i just add that i DO NOT go round looking for places or people to AR, i run 4 shops and am far to busy to do so, this was in fact the first time i had tried to put in a AR against anyone, i saw what was adult content on mature and 2 av clouds that where clearly camping bots, i was blocked from reporting both by the estate owner.that is why i posted this thread in the hope to get some feedback if this was right or wrong. LL bring out the rules but dont bother to enforce them, so if everyone turned a blind eye as many are suggesting on here then we may as well all go round breaking rules, hundreds of people compliled to LL adult rules and moved to Zindra, yet there are still hundreds on mainland and Private estates that have done nothing. And for estate owners just to reply on here that they will just ban me.....NP maybe they have something to hide, or will they ban everyone who Tps In and MIGHT AR them. i just want to be clear with you that i am not saying you are on a witch hunt or a witch hunter.. the only reason people are giving you flack at all was because you threw in the part about possibly seeing what could have been adult content.. that is overtaking that you were trying to make a report about the bots.. I didn't ban you from my sims because i can tell what you were trying to do..just trying to make a report and having a hard time doing it.. at the same time i can understand other sim owners and their reactions.. the adult content thing is a confusing one and people just don't want to deal with more headaches around it than they already have.. I know i would be pissed and have been pissed at places that lure me with tricks like bots or not having something there that they have in their key words..it's frustrating and wastes our time.. It 's easy to see you are not a witch hunter..but right now people think you were there ARing adult content when all you have said was about trying to AR bots..The mentioning of adult content has overtaken the whole subject and has exploded into.omg she is a witch hunter.. there are two things you just don't toss in as extras in a post unless they are part of the subject..Adult content or child avatars..because those will become the main focus.. I'm not saying don't do it anymore.i am just saying it's probably a good thing to leave those out if you are trying to say something else 
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Ceka Cianci
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10-20-2009 13:51
From: Qie Niangao This is another can of worms. As it stands, an Adult address is only Searchable with Adult content requested, regardless of the content on the parcel. In theory, that's fine: if you don't have adult content, don't site on an Adult region if you want people to find your stuff. What's gone so dreadfully wrong is that enforcement of the adult content policy has been ineffective to the point of irrelevance. As a consequence of that, many--even possibly most--intentional searches for adult content are being performed without the Adult flag set--and the searcher never even notices because there are so many adult results returned anyway.
It's a kind of subtle tragedy of the commons. By falsely avoiding an Adult tag and thus making their offerings visible to non-Adult searches, merchants make that Adult tag even more burdensome for those who have followed the policy. (In contrast, if nearly all merchants, adult or not, had flagged as Adult, that adult tag would bring no noticeable penalty because everybody would need the Adult flag set all the time in order to get useful search results.) It's a vicious circle, too: the more people cheat about tagging, the greater the incentive to cheat. i understand..the only way it is going to be of any use is if they enforce it.. i'm not including sneak arounds or what people can get away with..it's not being enforced and again those going by the rules are getting hurt by the lazyness of LL..they want us to AR the things we find instead of going out and doing it themselves like they should.. anything i say about the rules is strictly what they have written..i know there is going to be favortism and the whole human factor that comes into play..i'm gonna go off of what they have written instead of risk the sneak arounds.. LL is all show when they make these changes like this..the thing with the bots..don't go out ARing bots ..we will handle it..ya thats working real good right now..don't go out and AR it because the whole thing was for show..just like this whole adult move.. we'll clean it up as the reports come in..no rush here.. i don't really care what others do with their sims to say the truth..their land their risks.. nobody has to worry about me coming there doing Ar's..i'm gonna be just as lazy as LL is with that..it's their job not mine 
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10-20-2009 14:23
From: Argent Stonecutter Who promoted Major Major? General Dreedle?
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