Private sims can make their own rules??

We have the option to not go to their land. Their land, their rules. I have no problem with that at all.

For a month now I know of a parcel on a mature rated mainland region with a Sex Hotel, Escort Service and Sex Shop, that on top of this uses bots to game traffic and slows down the whole region. The parcel is listed in search, the big neon lights "Sex Hotel" are visible from all over the region and the neighboring regions. Multiple ARs by multiple people against both the adult content, the traffic gaming and the ressource stealing were done in those weeks - nothing happened so far.

All well and good until they are violating the TOS they agreed to when they signed up.

It's just a matter of time Daniel. The worst and most blatant offenders will either be shut down or asked to relocate or Adult rated lands......especially if it's Mainland. My guess LL will do a sweep of all the Mainland continents first.....then gradually tackle Estate sims. It's going to be a slow process though....i don't think LL have that many working in their G-Team.

As a marker look at the Traffic bot bans from April 09.....6 months on and there are still loads of offenders although it has gotten a lot better. I'm guessing that explains why peak logins have dropped from 88k to around 72k



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Their rules are fine as long as their rules are also in line with the TOS. While I don't usually AR for TOS violations, I also will not tell anyone else that they should just ignore it and leave. Whether or not we like all of the TOS or agree with all of it, it still is the TOS, and each of us is fully within our rights to AR any and all activity that violates it.

The biggest problem is getting a solid definition of what violates the TOS. However, if LL will not firm up that definition, then they will just have to deal with the additional ARs that might result.

This is what i feared would happen with all these new LL policies....it's become an AR game!!

People reporting this and that, businesses reporting one another for what they deem as TOS infringements. We have people actively searching (not saying people from this Forum) out illegal camping or micro-parcel overpricing or micro-Advertising plots or selling of Adult content......as the list gets bigger!

I have heard of business owners being temporarily suspended because they were reported by suspected rival businesses.

The platform has become a joke...as LL are not able to fully enforce their own policies at the first instance.

Daniel Linden's Dream has come true.Because they are incompetent in policing their world, they will rely on the residents to do so, but are too lazy to follow up properly. They just summarily ban or suspend based on any specious AR thrown at them.

This is the problem. They won't tell you clearly what you can and can not do.They don't investigate AR's properly, they suspend without verifying, one hand contradicts the other. They are incapable of managing their platform. This will be the biggest thing preventing SL from going mainstream.

I wonder if you still hold that view after considering this:http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_18-09-2009

*ALL* ARs will go to LL. If that 'reroute' option is set, they *also* go to the email address that the estate manager set up. At least, that's how they said it would work.

Since they're the final word on ToS/CS violations it makes sense that LL should get all ARs, even if the estate owner also gets a copy. Then again, like you said, God knows how they actually implemented it.

As far as I know it, the ARs go only to the mail addy the estate owner has set. The message when sending the AR says "instead of LL" or something like that, and the person sending the AR also doesn't get the usual mail from LL "we received and will investigate blah blah blubb".

I wasnt able to put in a AR, the estate used a pop up that blocked me from doing so, the pop up said all reports go to the sim owner. I put in a ticket to LL asking why this was.

Now here's an idea as a kind of LL stripend for Noobs, which can replace proceeds from the now banned camping.
LL could adopt a program for Noobs to earn 10 L per AR (for under 60-day accounts.) thus doing LL's work for them.


I'm only kidding! ...but as the whole AR aspect has become such a farce, it fits into the current SL culture pretty well!



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Estates *shouldn't* (which isn't the same as *can't*) be able to prevent you from doing an AR. You were right to do a ticket about that.

LL would be insane to allow estate owners on LLs grid to be the only ones getting ARs. Even they are not that crazy..

edit: /me finds the reference she was looking for.. I'm less convinced that *all* ARs go to LL but it seems that at least the more-serious ones do..

From https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/04/20/introducing-estate-level-governance#comment-693630

Well, over the past year, we have seen plenty of actions that would indicate such.

The one time I got that message it was a skybox full of prims sending out IM spam. I submitted a support request with an explanation for why it was a support request rather than an AR, and a few days later the skybox was gone.

Apply Hanlon's Razor.

LL don't have the will to enforce the adult content policy, it will simply never happen. They will not enforce it, they have no intention of enforcing it.

Unless some G-team member doesn't like your face and is looking for an excuse to bust you. This is how unenforced laws ALWAYS work.

Adult content out in the open means the sim is supposed to be rated adult.

The person is calling it a private sim... but how did they get there?

If they got through any form of advertising:

search, picks, landmarks, classified...

Then it is not private, and for having adult content, must be adult rated.

Putting adult content on publicly findable mature or PG land hurts people who follow the ToS and make such land adult.

If you want adult content on your mature land, you need to keep that lad out of any ability for anyone to find it without being expressly invited of randomly exploring onto it.

Made up numbers are made up...

But, it will only be low as long as violators of the ToS enable people to get around not having to follow the ToS.

Your argument is: the ToS should not be enforced and is a failure because the failure to enforce it has enabled enough people to violate it. That logic is flawed.

If people were breaking into the homes of my neighbors, I would not be on a witch hunt if I called the police on them. People who AR violations of the ToS are simply helping the larger SL community remain viable. Letting LL know when its policies are being violating, so LL can take action when it investigates and if it agrees that there is a violation.


Personally my Zindra traffic is a lot higher than my Fietzo (mature land) traffic. But then neither plot helps me commercially as everything I've got is pretty much available from me for free on slapt.me and xstreet (with the exception of 2 items - which are both also on those sites).

From a commercial standpoint, my Fietzo land is an utter failure and my Zindra land is a mere failure.

The main use for both my plots, and the reason I built them, is to come by and enjoy the builds - the cafe, garden, fishing, teahouse, and intimate basement, but I've yet to promote them for this...

However, given that lack of promotion, I still get good Zindra traffic in comparison. People explore more near my land there.

Compare mainland to Zindra, and I think ZIndra is more successful... the real harm to people who follow the adult-ToS is estate land that is PG or Mature but has publicly findable/search-able adult content.

Do you mean a pick in the sim owner's profile? Other than that one case, picks are not classified as advertising. A sim owner cannot stop other people from putting a pick to their land in their profile. (So far as I know, LL has declined to address the issue of sim owners offering giveaways to incite residents to add them as a pick).

Similarly, landmarks are not advertising. If you have adult content on your land and have the ability to create a landmark enabled, that is not advertising.

So, in your list, search keywords and classified ads are advertising. Also, in the eyes of some Lindens, invitations to parties that mention adult content are advertising.

So far as I can see from Linden behavior, adult content on Mature land will be tolerated so long as it is not advertised. I'd be interested to hear about examples to the contrary.

Indeed, the vast majority of adult businesses would get away with a move back to mature, but a G-Team member may pick a certain day to remember there is a policy about it, that day is not likely to happen often, but I'm sure it will happen sometimes.

My alt is not age verified, and has been out shopping for products that should probably be located on Zindra, but are not, and they are easy to find. The rules are all very confusing, and I don't understand them.....but she can get whatever she needs without going to Zindra. That's not really fair to all those who were required to move.

So yes, they are missing business, because at this point, there is no motivation to get verified. Whether or not she can place these items on land....again, is very confusing....but the message is, that if she can buy them without going to Zindra, then she can use them without being in Zindra. Not sure if that is the correct message or not. Even after reading a dozen threads here....it's still very confusing, so a person that does not come in here, and study for hours on end, will not have a clue, which would be a large percentage of the population. You can lay out all the rules here, one more time....but it still does not make sense.

If you want to get your alt verified file a support ticket. I have two alts who are NPIOF who have been verified by LL after filing a ticket. I know this is an aside