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Johan Laurasia
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10-12-2007 11:08
From: Colette Meiji I don't think "demand" is a bad thing in this sense.
Maybe require would be the nicer term.
A Hostest/Dancer/Stripper/Waitress doesn't demand money - they work for tips. thats the difference. In many cases some level of service is provided regardless of compensation. Agreed.. I offer a product, and require payment for delivery, but I think demand is the wrong term... grab a dictionary.... demand: request urgently and forcefully; I am not forcefully requesting... I am offering for sale, and requiring payment for delivery.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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10-12-2007 11:08
To the OP: I'm very sorry that you had such a bad experience, and that this person ripped you off. It's an embarrassing and hard lesson to learn, for sure. I agree with the others that there is really nothing that you can do about it that will cause anything positive to happen. The best thing to do is to try to have an enjoyable Second Life.
Trust is very definitely important in SL, but like in RL it has to be earned. There are very many different people in SL - some that see it as a game and anything does, and some that see it as an extension of their Real Lives. When one of each type meet, there is usually trouble, because the "game player" has no qualms about messing around with (or performing "social engineering" on) the other, who will end up inevitably hurt.
@anton: I'm sorry that you are so bitter about escorts and dancers. They offer a service (which you obviously don't approve of) and expect money in return. There are enough people around who are willing to pay good money for the services, because they feel they get something out of it. If you don't need the service, then please feel free to stay away from such people, but please be so kind as to not be so rude, either to the people that provide it, or the people that use it.
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Trout Recreant
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10-12-2007 11:09
From: Colette Meiji Whats in it for me? Do you match yet? Maybe Ill do it if you install a light. If we're inside and you set the lighting to sunset, then sort of squint, I almost match. I don't mind paying escorts or strippers, that's a service they're selling. An actual real service! What I hate is paying shop owners for their merchandise! They should give the stuff they make away for free - it's not like its REAL. It's just a bunch of ones and zeroes. Those money grubbing scam artists. Sure, they call it a pair of shoes, but really, are they going to keep my feet warm when I don't pay my ISP for service? No. Hmmm. When you look at it that way, it seems sort of unreasonable, doesn't it?
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:12
From: Johan Laurasia ...the exact reason (well 1/2 of it) that I do not get involved with intimate relationships in SL. The other 1/2 is that I prefer 1st life relationships over 2nd. I guess because I need the physical connection as well as the mental one for me to be interested. I think you are entirely reasonable in this outlook. If someone needs 100% proof of gender they shouldn't cyber till after they have had RL sex with someone. I think people lying about their gender and having cybersex and entering into relationships is wrong. I just think accusing people of lying just because others do is also wrong. Suspecting? Well people will have suspicions based on their experiences in life. That just is the way things are.
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Cristalle Karami
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10-12-2007 11:13
From: Johan Laurasia Agreed.. I offer a product, and require payment for delivery, but I think demand is the wrong term... grab a dictionary....
demand: request urgently and forcefully;
I am not forcefully requesting... I am offering for sale, and requiring payment for delivery. Angels dancing on the head of a pin...
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Johan Laurasia
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10-12-2007 11:14
From: Trout Recreant If we're inside and you set the lighting to sunset, then sort of squint, I almost match.
I don't mind paying escorts or strippers, that's a service they're selling. An actual real service! What I hate is paying shop owners for their merchandise! They should give the stuff they make away for free - it's not like its REAL. It's just a bunch of ones and zeroes. Those money grubbing scam artists. Sure, they call it a pair of shoes, but really, are they going to keep my feet warm when I don't pay my ISP for service? No.
Hmmm. When you look at it that way, it seems sort of unreasonable, doesn't it? I'm assuming you're being silly here... but as far as the reality of SL products is concerned. When you rent a movie, then watch it, and return it, what are you left with? Nothing. Yet, you paid real money for it. When you attend a play, or concert, same thing. There are plenty of real world examples where you spend money and come away with nothing physical in return... and this, coming from a guy who pays real money to watch a cartoon shake it's ass?
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:14
From: Johan Laurasia Agreed.. I offer a product, and require payment for delivery, but I think demand is the wrong term... grab a dictionary....
demand: request urgently and forcefully;
I am not forcefully requesting... I am offering for sale, and requiring payment for delivery. Well demand in the sense of supply and demand though. I demand money before I supply anything 
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:16
From: Johan Laurasia When you rent a movie, then watch it, and return it, what are you left with? Nothing. Yet, you paid real money for it. When you attend a play, or concert, same thing. You're left with the experience. But if you suffer from medium term memory loss that won't help you.
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Wildefire Walcott
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10-12-2007 11:16
From: Tiana Whitfield Yay its Friday  I was thinking the same thing. I can understand the original poster's anger at what happened. I also think it doesn't help to call him stupid for trusting someone. It's not his fault the person was a crook. Most of us here have been betrayed or scammed by someone in SL at least once- we generally have to learn the hard way that you have to be really careful whom you trust. Regarding compensation, though, you won't get it. A good friend of mine lost L$400,000 (about $1,500 USD) in the Ginko collapse, and that money's just plain gone. LL will not interfere in financial disputes between residents. Just search these forums for 'landbots' and you will understand that. (And no, not all botters are evil.)
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:17
From: Trout Recreant I don't mind paying escorts or strippers, that's a service they're selling. Me neither. Oh no, that's my alt.
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Johan Laurasia
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10-12-2007 11:18
From: Colette Meiji Well demand in the sense of supply and demand though. I demand money before I supply anything  But they're not using it in that sense.... In the sense of 'supply and demand', the demand comes from the customer.
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-12-2007 11:19
From the OP: "I thougt this was a good idea, i do like female company and i could use a guidance trough all the shops. So she took me to the shop and showed me the skin. I gave her the money."
Didn't show you the skin .. on her? Nope? Damm! Some people want cheap thrills. What you got was an expensive thrill (expensive by SL standards, that is).
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Johan Laurasia
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10-12-2007 11:20
From: Brodsky Zapedzki You're left with the experience. But if you suffer from medium term memory loss that won't help you. As you are left with the experience of using the SL product...
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:21
From: Johan Laurasia As you are left with the experience of using the SL product... ...if it ever works.
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:22
From: Wildefire Walcott Regarding compensation, though, you won't get it. A good friend of mine lost L$400,000 (about $1,500 USD) in the Ginko collapse,
I still get saddened when I hear of ginko losses  and angry that the owner had no repercussions at all. And finally that there is nothing stopping him or another banker wannabe from doing it again.
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:23
From: Brodsky Zapedzki ...if it ever works. well since you have medium term memory loss .. If you even ever saw it in that mess we have that SL tauntingly calls your inventory.
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:25
From: Colette Meiji well since you have medium term memory loss .. talking of which... what is "ginko"?
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:26
From: Brodsky Zapedzki talking of which... what is "ginko"? oh no that would be short term memory loss....
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:26
From: Brodsky Zapedzki talking of which... what is "ginko"? its that green lizard in those car insurance commercials.
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Johan Laurasia
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10-12-2007 11:26
From: Colette Meiji I still get saddened when I hear of ginko losses  and angry that the owner had no repercussions at all. And finally that there is nothing stopping him or another banker wannabe from doing it again. Agreed, it is sad.. for me personally, I think Ginko was a bad bet to begin with. RL banks are insured by the federal government. (well, a private company that is backed by the government, but either way), until SL banks are similarly insured, I'll keep my L's in my (or an alt's account).
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:29
From: Colette Meiji its that green lizard in those car insurance commercials. you mean the slippery one with the yellow fangs?
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Trout Recreant
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10-12-2007 11:32
From: Johan Laurasia I'm assuming you're being silly here... but as far as the reality of SL products is concerned. When you rent a movie, then watch it, and return it, what are you left with? Nothing. Yet, you paid real money for it. When you attend a play, or concert, same thing. There are plenty of real world examples where you spend money and come away with nothing physical in return... and this, coming from a guy who pays real money to watch a cartoon shake it's ass? Of course I'm not being serious, and I've never actually paid an escort for anything, but my point was real - that selling a service is no different than selling a product. I also wasn't directing that comment at you, necessarily. It seems like people (cough-anton-cough) think that there is no value to selling a service and that it should be free since the customer buys the service and doesn't get an actual product. You hire a doctor in RL because he or she has a specific skill set that you need. Same goes for lawyers, CPA's, business consultants etc. All you get is access to that person's skills. If someone has a desire to have an escort fulfill whatever wishes they might have, then they can't complain about her asking to be paid. I've been places with strippers and escorts and I've been approached by both - I never felt like they were demanding anything of me, and I never had anyone act upset when I politely declined. I guess if I sat down in fron of a stripper while she was dancing and chatted her up while she got naked, I wouldn't feel like it was out of line to tip her. I do the same for DJ's when I go dancing.
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Colette Meiji
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10-12-2007 11:33
From: Brodsky Zapedzki you mean the slippery one with the yellow fangs? the friendly one with the English accent
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:34
From: Johan Laurasia Agreed, it is sad.. for me personally, I think Ginko was a bad bet to begin with. ...and a perfect example of how you get screwed in SL without getting laid.
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Brodsky Zapedzki
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10-12-2007 11:36
From: Colette Meiji the friendly one with the English accent oh well... that would rule out Nick.
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