Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

The face behind the Avatar

Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
01-17-2008 10:36
From: Kelli May
Being immersed in a character isn't the same as hiding, nor the sign of a problematic first life. For you, SL can be all the things you say. For others, it can be the place to roleplay, express another side of their personality... even hide, if they like. Don't tell us what our SL is for, and please don't imply that anyone trying for immersive roleplay is unhappy or suffering from low self-esteem.

Amazing how many people use 'with all due respect' to launch opinions which show no damn respect whatsoever.


Here's my other irony. I don't play a "character". I'm me. In fact, I am as much me as when I was on IRC.

Some people can't get their heads around someone being here simply to express themselves and have a good time. LOL.
Rhaorth Antonelli
Registered User
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 7,425
01-17-2008 10:38
I have no problem with RL pics

mine is on my profile

if ppl choose not to look, then their is their business hehe

(I would not know, unless they outright told me)
_____________________
From: someone
Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Ivanova Shostakovich
Fire Resistant
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 98
01-17-2008 10:39
From: Claire Silverspar
i tend to forget about the RL tab. i read the front page and occasionally the picks tab.
i don't think it really bothers me except when someone demands to see my RL piccie.
I don't mind people asking but i always say no. i don't have any picies of just me on my PC, only of me with others, and i don't want to go giving their photos out. to be honest I can't be bothered hacking a piccie up just so someone can know how i look.

i have only seen one person's RL piccie and it didn't bother me at all.


Perhaps I'll try to forget about the rl tab. The best one I've seen said only "is offline."

I love your sig.
/me catches her breath.
Strauss Ulderport
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 326
01-17-2008 10:42
From: Cherry Czervik
Here's my other irony. I don't play a "character". I'm me. In fact, I am as much me as when I was on IRC.

Some people can't get their heads around someone being here simply to express themselves and have a good time. LOL.


See we agree :)

Now I must take my 'self-righteousness' else where, if you will excuse me...

Funny how some of you people react when one has a view, opinion that goes against the (collective) grain. Perhaps, and this is just me as I don't want to be accused to telling anyone what to do (again), but the old saying 'when you point a finger at someone you have 3 pointing back at you' comes to mind... hhmmm
_____________________
Strauss Ulderport
--------------------
Owner of NightHallows Lair
Industrial, Goth, Darkwave & Techno music venue
www.nighthallowslair.net
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
01-17-2008 10:43
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
I have no problem with RL pics

mine is on my profile

if ppl choose not to look, then their is their business hehe

(I would not know, unless they outright told me)


I don't really when it's FL tab ... that's choice. It's the SL tab with the RL picture which spooks me.

And I read profiles a lot, it's rare that you'll see that. Actually, it sort of bugs me if there's an SL picture on the FL tab too ... why bother? If you don't want to post a picture ain't no big deal surely, most people just leave it blank.

Just my personal quirk I guess :)
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
01-17-2008 10:44
Does anyone have a spare irony bypass cos I think one is sorely needed by a terminal case ...
Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
01-17-2008 10:46
From: Cherry Czervik
Does anyone have a spare irony bypass cos I think one is sorely needed by a terminal case ...

I think I saw one for sale on SLex
_____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.

http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Michael Bigwig
~VRML Aficionado~
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,181
01-17-2008 10:47
From: Kelli May
Being immersed in a character isn't the same as hiding, nor the sign of a problematic first life. For you, SL can be all the things you say. For others, it can be the place to roleplay, express another side of their personality... even hide, if they like. Don't tell us what our SL is for, and please don't imply that anyone trying for immersive roleplay is unhappy or suffering from low self-esteem.

Amazing how many people use 'with all due respect' to launch opinions which show no damn respect whatsoever.



With all due respect, he didn't disrespect anybody. He didn't even elude to anyone...he just stated his opinion.

And there is a fraction--we all know--of people that DO fit in his, not so subtle--judgment call.
_____________________
~Michael Bigwig
__________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
Strauss Ulderport
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 326
01-17-2008 10:47
From: Cherry Czervik
Does anyone have a spare irony bypass cos I think one is sorely needed by a terminal case ...


Quote me where I attacked someone sweety.
_____________________
Strauss Ulderport
--------------------
Owner of NightHallows Lair
Industrial, Goth, Darkwave & Techno music venue
www.nighthallowslair.net
Claire Silverspar
Pokes Badgers With Spoons
Join date: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 5,375
01-17-2008 10:48
From: Ivanova Shostakovich
Perhaps I'll try to forget about the rl tab. The best one I've seen said only "is offline."

I love your sig.
/me catches her breath.

hehe thanks. :D im gonna have to change it soon. i found some great ones that I just can't resist. But i might keep the laser stun printer. It may come in handy. :D
_____________________
:( I'll miss this damn place.
I'll be over at SCII after the end has come.
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
01-17-2008 10:49
In 2005 this thread would have been laughed out of existence.
Solanghe Sarlo
Gypsy Free Thinker
Join date: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 644
01-17-2008 10:52
From: Kelli May
Being immersed in a character isn't the same as hiding, nor the sign of a problematic first life. For you, SL can be all the things you say. For others, it can be the place to roleplay, express another side of their personality... even hide, if they like. Don't tell us what our SL is for, and please don't imply that anyone trying for immersive roleplay is unhappy or suffering from low self-esteem.


Well said Kelli, I agree.

My self esteem in quite intact however, I immerse completely when involved in fantasy roleplay. I think that's the best way to truly enjoy it. There is something to be said for becoming a completely different creature; very good therapy to offset plain old daily life stress. It's good and healthy for adults to be able to "play".

Re the OP: When not role playing, I consider Solanghe a simple extension of who I am in RL. However, I don't care to share that because I just don't see the need. I won't post a RL photo - if I wanted to do that then I would just join Facebook or whatever. So, the roleplay continues somewhat I guess.

That's not to say I don't share my RL. It greatly depends on the situation and connection I feel to another person. But in general, I'm all about keeping SL and RL seperate.

@Strauss: This doesn't mean there is something wrong with me dude. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I avoid the RL tabs like the plague. If I'm attached to your Avi, I don't want to breach the "third wall" and break the fantasy. ;)
_____________________
The key to a contented life: Figure out who you are, what you are, fix what you can and make peace with the rest.
Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
01-17-2008 10:52
From: Strauss Ulderport
See we agree :)

Now I must take my 'self-righteousness' else where, if you will excuse me...

Funny how some of you people react when one has a view, opinion that goes against the (collective) grain. Perhaps, and this is just me as I don't want to be accused to telling anyone what to do (again), but the old saying 'when you point a finger at someone you have 3 pointing back at you' comes to mind... hhmmm

Some do yes, but a lot of the time it's not what the opinion is as much as how it is delivered. There is a tendency for some to voice their opinions as absolute truths, that their is no other valid way to see a given issue, and that they alone are enlightened, everyone else is some sort of dullard or backward fool.
_____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.

http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Dinalya Dawes
=^.^=
Join date: 23 Sep 2007
Posts: 424
01-17-2008 10:55
From: Strauss Ulderport
With all due respect, some of us have fine FL's and do not use SL as a gateway to make up shortcomings or self esteme boosters.


From: Strauss Ulderport
Quote me where I attacked someone sweety.


I'm not here to argue the point because later you do say 'some' but the above first statement is generalizing. I do believe the above statement shows the -implication- that if you do not share details or keep a certain amount of privacy then you ARE using sl as a gateway to make up shortcomings or self esteme boosters. It is comments like that which could be seen as an insinuation which leads people to become defensive, feeling personally attacked.

Some just dont feel the need to share too much of their RL details but that doesnt mean they are insecure or living an unhappy life. It just means they come here for something different than you. Different isnt bad, its just...different. :)
_____________________
http://slgrandillusion.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinalyadawes/
Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
01-17-2008 10:56
From: Michael Bigwig
With all due respect, he didn't disrespect anybody. He didn't even elude to anyone...he just stated his opinion.

It's how he stated it that I have issue with just like with you sometimes Mike. :)

I don't see any personal attacks or singling out of an individual either. Strauss is very fair and evenhanded in his annoyance. :p
_____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.

http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Strauss Ulderport
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 326
01-17-2008 10:59
From: Brenda Connolly
Some do yes, but a lot of the time it's not what the opinion is as much as how it is delivered. There is a tendency for some to voice their opinions as absolute truths, that their is no other valid way to see a given issue, and that they alone are enlightened, everyone else is some sort of dullard or backward fool.


Delivery style indeed plays a factor. However after the years online my style is 'short, sweet to the point and save the fluff for the peanutbutter'

Some people, like yourself, take that as I am making my opinions as fact and thus come off as those colorful words I was described above. That however is not the case not my intent.

Do I have strong opinions and convictions? Yes. Am I open minded where if someone present a valid point or counter opinion/fact I can have a change of stance? Very possible.

And 'truth' as you must know is little more then degrees of seperation from fact, opinion or worse, rumor.
_____________________
Strauss Ulderport
--------------------
Owner of NightHallows Lair
Industrial, Goth, Darkwave & Techno music venue
www.nighthallowslair.net
Dinalya Dawes
=^.^=
Join date: 23 Sep 2007
Posts: 424
01-17-2008 11:00
From: Cherry Czervik
I don't really when it's FL tab ... that's choice. It's the SL tab with the RL picture which spooks me.

And I read profiles a lot, it's rare that you'll see that. Actually, it sort of bugs me if there's an SL picture on the FL tab too ... why bother? If you don't want to post a picture ain't no big deal surely, most people just leave it blank.

Just my personal quirk I guess :)


See, I used to use my RL tab to show off an SL pic because there is just not enough places for me to put in all the pics I take in game and want to share! lol

Now, its just a picture of 2 lil RL hands, neither of which are mine, with a tidbit of info which is really all people need to know about my RL to go on. It shares enough without being revealing. When people ask where I am from, I tell them Orientation Island, cuz its true!. Really, since all you see is me (behavior, personality etc) I dont see the need to hand out a ton of RL info unless I feel like it later as I know the person better.

To be honest, I dont think many even look AT my RL tab. Its just an extra space for me to babble lol
_____________________
http://slgrandillusion.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinalyadawes/
Michael Bigwig
~VRML Aficionado~
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,181
01-17-2008 11:12
From: Strauss Ulderport
Delivery style indeed plays a factor. However after the years online my style is 'short, sweet to the point and save the fluff for the peanutbutter'

Some people, like yourself, take that as I am making my opinions as fact and thus come off as those colorful words I was described above. That however is not the case not my intent.

Do I have strong opinions and convictions? Yes. Am I open minded where if someone present a valid point or counter opinion/fact I can have a change of stance? Very possible.

And 'truth' as you must know is little more then degrees of seperation from fact, opinion or worse, rumor.


I think you and I need to get together and go bowling.

We have some of the same traits...I don't beat around the bush or walk on eggshells when I state my opinion on a subject. I think many people do their darndest to be diplomatic...but that takes a lot more effort and time...lol...I'm a military brat, and I think my father instilled on me something the military holds dear: say what you mean and be quick about it.

Not that [we] are totally without diplomacy, it's just that we don't tip-toe around how we feel...even if this may hurt someone. Personally, I don't state my ideals and opinions to hurt anyone--on the contrary I do take spectators feelings into consideration when I post--but sometimes a 'shoe fits', and someone is hurt...but even knowing this, I will not hold back the truth of how I feel about something, especially when it's the topic at hand.

I honestly feel that--at times--people don't say what the feel on forums. They are so worried about getting flamed, or yelled at, or have their popularity shattered...forum posters can even go completely against what they believe, just to follow the pack, and be one of the team. I've seen it many times.

Saying what you feel, regardless of the 'others' is a positive, strong trait in a person...diplomacy can sometimes be a weakness.
_____________________
~Michael Bigwig
__________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
Ivanova Shostakovich
Fire Resistant
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 98
01-17-2008 11:13
From: Cherry Czervik
LOL are you guilty? I was posting from work :)


I am fortunate in that all my work happens at home. When it's done(ish) I come back to immerse some more.
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
01-17-2008 11:15
From: Michael Bigwig
With all due respect, he didn't disrespect anybody. He didn't even elude to anyone...he just stated his opinion.

And there is a fraction--we all know--of people that DO fit in his, not so subtle--judgment call.


If I was going to dignify him directly, a direct response like that is direct to the poster when quoted.

If he didn't mean me he could have said this of course.

And when did observing a lack of sense of irony = crying victim?

MEH.
Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
Posts: 3,856
01-17-2008 11:17
I have no desire to see someones RL picture or RL details beyond very basics. Cherry said it very eloquently earlier but to me it would be like suddenly in the middle of the movie to have the action stop and the actor turn and go "Hello, I'm Brad Pitt" then go back to action.

It's not hiding, it's not insecurity, it's fantasy and fun. When I get to know you well I usually get to know a lot more about your RL, but let's just let it happen naturally that way.
_____________________
My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
01-17-2008 11:17
I miss the days when people would never have compared SL to Myspace or Face Book or Eharmony.


I'm pretty comfortable discussing my RL with people I care about, I was only half joking about the picture thing with Brenda.

My current avatar as Colette is pretty close to a Virtual version of my rl self. And I never got much into roleplaying.

But put all my RL stuff up for strangers to see? Please.

------------
Anyone into Role-Playing Should do it and if they don't want to talk about their RL self, they shouldn't have too. Gorean, Trekkie, Jedi, Vampire, Player, Ho, Escort, Furry, robot, question mark -- whatever they like.

We shouldn't be making dispersions people are hiding things or have crappy RLs when we have no clue why they participate in SL.
Michael Bigwig
~VRML Aficionado~
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,181
01-17-2008 11:18
From: Cherry Czervik
If I was going to dignify him directly, a direct response like that is direct to the poster when quoted.

If he didn't mean me he could have said this of course.

And when did observing a lack of sense of irony = crying victim?

MEH.


We are all guilty of thinking someone is pointing at us, but they are actually using "you" in the collective sense...it's a common mistake.

As savvy forum-goers, we have to do our best to pick these instances out. I'm constantly analyzing what someone means, and to whom they are speaking to.

A tactic I use, is placing "you" in brackets...ie. [You] have to realize, people with big feet tend to...

Anyway. I wasn't flaming you...I was just giving you a touch of your own medicine. We all need that from time to time.

Anyway...plus I always bet on the underdog.
_____________________
~Michael Bigwig
__________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
Posts: 3,856
01-17-2008 11:19
From: Strauss Ulderport
Delivery style indeed plays a factor. However after the years online my style is 'short, sweet to the point and save the fluff for the peanutbutter'


Sorry Strauss, there is nothing sweet about your delivery and I'd hesitate to say short as well. To the point I'll give you.
_____________________
My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
01-17-2008 11:21
From: Michael Bigwig
We are all guilty of thinking someone is pointing at us, but they are actually using "you" in the collective sense...it's a common mistake.

As savvy forum-goers, we have to do our best to pick these instances out. I'm constantly analyzing what someone means, and to whom they are speaking to.

A tactic I use, is placing "you" in brackets...ie. [You] have to realize, people with big feet tend to...

Anyway. I wasn't flaming you...I was just giving you a touch of your own medicine. We all need that from time to time.


/me just shakes my head.

What flavour medicine IS that exactly, Michael?

***edit*** mistake is a perception also.

/me edits and chuckles at your edit.
1 2 3 4 5 6