I hate Bots with a vengeance, do you??

I hate Bots with a vengeance, do you??

Broadly speaking I don’t’ object to a few campers, BUT……..
Store owners & club owners, if you game the system with Bots and I visit only to find an empty store or club then I’m out of there fast. Genuine popularity can’t be bought, it has to be earned. Nothing pisses me off faster than being conned by some smartass cheating the system, I’m out of your place and I’m not coming back. It may be that I miss out on good content, so be it, I’ll find what I want somewhere else.

I have some slack in my tier and I would like to find a nice parcel on the mainland (they do exist), why should I line the pockets of parasitic landbot runners who do nothing but flip the parcel at a profit and contribute absolutely nothing to the sl experience.

If the Lindens read this (and I for one believe they do), then I say to them please come up with something to stop or at least reduce the abuse of Second Life by those who would seek to gain personal profit by cheating.

I hate Bots with a vengeance, do you??

No. I don't know if Bots are a drain on resources or not, some say yes, some say no.So on that point I am ambivalent. As far as Landbots, camping bots and whatever other kind of bots, I'm not happy that the system can be abused in such ways that give people such advantages, but it is Linden's System, they know it is happening, and they can fix it. So if I were to direct any ire, it would be toward them. But you are right, if a business owner uses practices you disagree with, speak with your wallet. And maybe cut back on the caffiene a bit.

I dislike coping with bots. In other words sims other residents cant enter because of 40 traffic bots in skybox. Trying to find a plot of land without overinflated prices etc.

I do not generalise and say I hate all bots. I think the bots used to model clothing or shapes are a clever way to display a product. Very Clever.

Camping fills a service LL stopped providing and that a minimal income for newcomers that have not yet decided to take the plunge and buy into Second Life. As soon as LL killed basic stipends Camping and money trees became a lifeline to the new. For that reason alone LL is unlikely to do away with camping. Thier retention rates are pretty bad as it is. As for Camping bots I have seen any number of camping products that can defeat them nicely. Its a question of landowners using these devices.

The best solution to the whole problem is to do away with traffic all together and put a substantial waiting period between all phases of land sales (ie time put on market in relation to time purchased in relation to time relisted).

every time i hear the word bot and what they do it reminds me of yahoo messenger..
the thing that hurts that messenger most is all the bots and spam and people trying to trick you to their websites or to buy something..

it would be nice to find someplace in the world where we could be left alone from sales people.

People who "hate bots with a vengeance" are too self-centered, and aren't worth taking any notice of. But...

By all means, vote with your wallet, Roland. They'll just laugh at you - like I'm doing now. Your wallet vote doesn't matter in the slightest to them. In oher words, you're wallet is too insignificant to bother about

That's ARable in mainland sims. If you find it anywhere, report it and it'll be dealt with.

Phil you should really relax more, anti-bot doesn't mean anti-phil, your stance provokes people in attacking your methodology, just let it lie.

Phil, Phil, Phil..........You might be correct in that assesment, but don't you think you might risk alienating any past or future customers with that kind of attitude? Or are we all too insignificant. I've been a customer of yours, and have recommended you to others, but statements like that make me think again about it. I voted with my wallet when I bought your stuff, I don't appreciate being told I'm being laughed at when I give you my money. It's Tax Time here,so I have enough of that in RL.

i think if they use traffic bots they should just fill the whole sim with them then lol..
it's a cheap trick to bump up clubs in the search that don't have what it takes to get the traffic themselves.
i remember it used to be the camping chairs..now with these bots it costs them less so anyone can do it now..

times may change but some things never do..

I use 2 'bots' as the extra band members in my live act. Why? It looks better than a single afk avatar with a 1-prim guitar cycling through stock animations. Also, I wouldn't demand anyone to sit at their computer for 1 - 2 hours as an avatar jockey while I do one of my shows. It's one thing for people to come to my shows... it's quite another once you have a gig schedule. For an idea as to how I use them watch the slide shows at: http://www.myspace.com/Alazarin_Mobius

FWIW, I don't run them as 'bot' clients... just as regular clients with all the grafix options all the way down.

And no, I will not be conscripted into supporting and/or defending bot-runners. I've seen constructive uses for bots and they're few and far between. Bot-running isn't one of them.

I can't find myself getting worked up about bots. I might be a bit annoyed when I encounter them or their handiwork but I just move on and forget about them.

It does mean anti-Phil in this forum, Dekka. It isn't my stance that provokes it - it's my methods, my defense of them and, most importantly, some people's self-centered preferences. I'm perfectly relaxed, though

And it really does make me laugh when someone puffs his/her chest out and declares that s/he will not buy from a store that uses traffic bots, as though they will make a difference LOL. I just think it's funny.

Look at the "transactions" thread. Apparently the problems occur at times of peak concurrence, so it just has to be bots that are the cause. It just couldn't be anything to do with the fact that a lot more real people are logged in, and using the asset server. A couple of people in that thread have some common sense though, so it's not all bad.

You have some slack in your tier? Why don't you donate it to my group and my bot will pay you for it weekly. Of course the only reason we can do that is because we have bots managing and trading 100s of parcels simultaneously. Or maybe you could lower your tier to zero and rent land from me? Oh sorry, we use bots to manage our huge amount of rental parcels as well so I guess that won't work either.

I guess you're right, bots are terrible! If business models were good enough for my father and his father they're good enough for me. I hate moving with the times.

Go to Seymour (209, 134, 1004), and do what i did. AR them.

Are you raising your hand to be next?

Sorry, Brenda. My laughing is at people like Roland, who declare they will not buy from places that use traffic bots, as though it will make a difference.


An aside:
As I've been writing this post, someone arrived at my bot box and said, "sorry to have to abuse report them". She won't be the first, and it won't make any difference, but why would she want to do that? Self-centeredness is the reason - just like some people in here. It isn't the way that *she* wants SL to be. She's not the slightest bit interested in whether or not the bots affect anything, but she wants to try and change it anyway, regardless of what other people want in SL. I guess she "hates bots with a vengeance"

LMAO. This is the person I mentioned in the previous post.

You're wasting your time, Whispering

I oppose frivolous ARs, I think they clog up the system.

Of course people used to consider ARs of Ad Farms frivolous too.

I really don't care about bots one way or the other but then I haven't had a reason to wonder abut them much. It's not like you can buy radio or television ads here so they do what they have to do in order to let people know they are there.Actually, Phil, you are just mean. And I, for one, don't have to listen to it.

We'll let the lindens decide that shall we. You have admitted to gaming the traffic system, and you are flouting it.

I made out the abuse report to reflect your actions. You may find that you are in breach of community standards.

The lindens now have an abuse report to investigate.

It is the attitude that stops my buying from a resident.

Like what was shown in this thread.

Yoohoo! *raises hand and waves at Phil*

I too hate bots...vehemently! It would seem that there are a large majority of people who do. Check the groups, there are many people in SL that are banding together to do something about them, be it ARing, announcing stores that use them, passing notecards to people on the offending parcels and even yes, some seek to disrupt and destroy them.
There are anti-bot bots. These are bots that find bot farms and take them out. Even to temporarily disrupt them can be a good thing. It causes the bot runner a little inconvenience. If you join one of these groups, hide it. You want to be in stealth mode because the bot runners are becoming paranoid. Never let them see you coming.

Eventually, we can only hope, that LL will do something about this. In the meantime, look forward to seeing more of these threads and groups and blogs oh my!

*My name is MoxZ and I approve this message*

As I said, you're not the first, and you're wasting your time. Allow me to enlighten you...

Not long ago, I submitted a ticket, stating that I run traffic bots, and asking if it was ok. A Linden live helper pushed the ticket through so that I would get the answer quickly, and I did. The answer was, "As long as the bot accounts do not prevent residents from entering a region, negatively impact the region in any other way, or cause distress or harassment to other residents, then the bot accounts would be acceptable under the current Terms of Service."

So you see, the bots are acceptable to LL, and you wasted your time. If you don't want your time to be wasted, a better use of it would be to press LL to get rid of the Places search, although you may still be wasting your time. However, it worked for ad farms, and it might work for traffic. You never know.

It can if Roland has friends who feel the same way, and they decide not to buy from "Joe Avatar, who uses bots" maybe they get a few more people to do the same. It usually doesn't happen, we know. But I just think itis plain stupid for any business owner, especially if they claim SL is their livlihood, to show that kind of sneering condescention publicly toward ANY potential customers, especially at a time where many businesses are complaining of declines in sales.

I'm a "Professional Consumer " in RL. The list of companies I refuse to patronize is long, for a variety of reasons. And I do the same here. I take note of these types of conversations, how business owners respond. The most succesful RL Companies have PR departments that can spin almost any negative situation. too many Business owners in SL claim how serious they are about their business, yet seem to show nothing but contempt for the people patronizing them, and I include LL themselves at times. Sure Roland may be a lone crank, but it only takes a few at the right time to get something started.

Sorry for preaching. It's been raining all week and my head has become a High Pressure Front. Here's hoping a Friday thread will pop up, providing they haven't been marked as part of the Great Forum Purge.

Phil Linden used to support SL Banking ..

too many moaning whingers on this forum. any excuse to raise an A&R

sticking their noses into other peoples buisness out of jelousy becuase they are loosingout to someone smarter than them