Voice awareness for non-voice users

*stands and applauds*

Best summation of SL relationships I think I have seen yet.

We can never know what the RL of the person on the other end is (unless we meet them in RL), so why not just take them as they are? If it moves into RL, that's a different matter.

And yes, Colette, afaik, the bandwidth effect of Voice is only "felt" by those using it. From what I understand (and forgive me if I'm wrong as I don't use Voice), the Voice system uses a stand-alone server system to do the Voice. Slight integration with the Grid is, of course, needed on small things, but is no more sim-lag inducing than someone sending an IM.

The "lag" felt by clients using Voice would depend more on thier connection than their machine, or anything on SL's side. A 56k user is prolly gonna crash, while someone using a T1 line will prolly not even notice it.

As I haven't used Voice, it may also get worse with multiple persons on it at once. I'm not sure if it's "all talk" or "talk/listen" or if only one Voice comes over at a time. If "all talk", I would guess that 40 avatars all talking at once would be a major hit to bandwidth.

Again, that's up to the person(s) using it, and not a failing of the system. I have no beef with the Voice Feature other than LL could add a few tweaks to the interface. Then again, they could do that for almost ALL the interfaces *coughCommunicationUIcough*

~Jessy

I understand, but a lot of the time the problem is that often the other person does not realize you are _not_ putting on an act.



Yes, because women's and men's speech also differs in terms of sentence patterns, stress and word usage. Unless a voice changer could actually recognize and understand the sentence, and calculate the new appropriate stresses and wording, it would still be detectable - maybe not so easily (the gender differences in vocabulary are closing up IRL) but possible.

What does this have to do with what I said? I said people should not lie to people they are in relationships with. I was pretty clear.

I literally don't follow your comment at all.





This is also neither here nor there to my comment which you quoted. How convincing someone would be was irrelevant to anything I said.

This is your tangent, not mine Colette. I wasn't making ANY statement about intent. I was saying voice changers sound crap. I stand by that view.

If they ever manage to make something that sophisticated then I probably won't care so much because they won't sound crap. It won't be any time soon.

LOL. Same here tho Bradley. I dislike when people lie but that was in response to what Colette was saying. And drifting off topic, for which I apologise.

I was kind of saying this anyway - unless I am VERY intimately linked to someone then it's irrelevant.

Besides I know full well my man is a man <purr>. That aside, who cares.

@ Yumi - Yes, exactly. What gives away some guy playing at a girl has no bearing on what they say. They stand too close. They stare. They decide that they are in love at first sight.

LOL

Well Yes I suppose its my tangent - for my perspective you seemed to be saying that they shouldn't use voice changer because you don't like being lied to, and then because it sounds bad, and then both.

Perhaps you only meant because it sounds bad all the time, and I misunderstood you.

Yep.

K Jessy

Technically if you mic is live you talk, if you are not pressing the button/have it locked open then you can't be heard.

People can all talk at once.

And yes ... unless there's some RL input you can never truly know. That can be anything of course and I do know a fair amount of SL people RL.

What I mean is that many "role-playing" users will think that you are role-playing your side of the relationship too, and so as far as they're concerned they're not lying, just joining in with you.

Yes I've had role-players lie to me. Its completely wrong.

If a degree of RL feelings and self matters to one person in an online relationship then it matters in that relationship.

The role-player should respect that and seek companionship elsewhere.

No one should lie to perpetuate a relationship

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I see that a separate from the issue of whether people should use voice changers though.

I can totally understand people saying that no one should ever gender bend ever.

I can also understand people saying that people should be able to gender bend.

I just don't see saying Graphically gender bending is Okay by audibly its not.

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Are you SURE, Cherry? I mean...

Distance: In a previous thread on the subject, someone (Desmond, I think) said that one of HIS tells for a crossdressed av is that they stand farther away than a "real" woman would.

Stare: I stare all the time. It usually doesn't mean anything...in fact, I'm most likely camming around looking at something a hundred meters away.

Love at first sight: I could argue that one. I've felt instant attraction to other avs on several occasions. But I'll concede it, because I think you're referring to the "do you want to have sex now?" crowd.

After eight months in SL, the only thing that *I'M* sure of is that there IS no way to tell...and that it doesn't matter, unless you are in a VERY close relationship.

Ohh people love stereotypes on these forums (and in SL in general)



Its a damn video game - the presense isnt the same. You dont have the same sense of personal space. And even if you did it would be affected by how close or far you zoom.

And distance in SL is imprecise at best. My Av sure as heck doesn't walk one step for every time i click the arrow key.

and finally except for out of body experiences you dont live life from the 3rd person perpective.



Alt click on somone and you stare , thats all it takes. The Avatar movements are not tied to the users face through electrodes.

You can basically look AT a person, look near them, look down or look away. There is no where near a precision which is like RL.




There is a joke in the Lesbian community -
Q- What does a Lesbian bring to the second date?
A- A Uhaul

Its not the gender that falls too fast its the dating dynamics.

In "traditional" real life (in the US) it is usually the woman who pushes for commitment against a stubborn male. Online - less so.

But both genders are all over the map on this. Especially in SL.

I can only guess that stereotype comes from the old internet if they are desperate they must be men theory.

Plenty of desperate women out there.

And of course theres far less risk in SL - the consequences for trying at love or just sex are tiny - this changes all the dynamics a lot.

Ah but Lindal ... Desmond is a boy. I'm talking about girls and my own experience - which tends to mirror what men do. I dare say a lot of men playing girls in SL are not gay or bi or curious, just interested in watching a girl av getting it AWWWWWN ... and I am basing this on confessions from guys

By stare I can also confidently say you have never stood in front of me, immediately, with your cam on my ... well, very obviously and close range focussed on them, put it that way.

I'm up here, talk to my face! Bad as RL sometimes. LOL.

Attraction yes I'll admit that too, but I've not become instantly fixated.

That post was really meant light heartedly of course.

I've never encountered voice but then i dont even have it enabled so thats probably why

So its all good to me.

You sure worry about this a lot doncha?

I don't think it IS a game personally. It's a sandbox, it's a vast experiment, it's a work of art, it's what anyone wants it to be.

BUT it is not a game by the definition of rules, plot, level design overarching everything as given to you by a level designer etc.

Risk? Well all depends what you are looking for. If anything.

Stereotypes and assumptions are only as relevant as people wish to find them.

On which note I am out of the gender issues aspect which has crept in here.

worry ? No.

find stereotypes harmful? Yes.

I simply do not think a video game is a true indicator Body language, Nor online dating dynamics to be the same as RL ones.

I am also surprised you seem to expect the bi and lesbian women who might be interested in you to conform to traditional gender roles.

Its a game in that you control a 3D avatar in a virtual space. In the context of controlling said Avatar thats what it is.

The things unrelated to the moving/ virtual body language are different.

Wow...is SL really this boring for you guys that you STILL debate voice now that it's here and sealed in?

You should try stepping out of your boxes and checking out what's around you sometime...in RL and SL.

Colette if you are interested in why I don't consider this a game (given that I live with a computer game designer rl) I'm happy to expound in IM but I don't really want to bore everyone else with it.

I'm not debating whether SL is a game or not

Its controlled like a game - that is what I am saying.

The debate was on gender roles and the like ("what is the difference with someone "gender-bending" voice vs. someone "gender-bending" visually, oh and now the debate on "game or not a game). The thread, though, was on how to see if someone or a group is using Voice while you are sitting there wondering why no one is talking. An issue was raised about a desire to have some method other than having that white dot over their head as they do not wish to 1) speak; 2) hear; and/or 3) speak and hear - just want to know if people are using voice.

Tell you what Colette. Why don't you come inside my head via DCC, understand what I *AM* actually thinking, and stop making these massive assumptions which are incorrect.

No it wasn't originally. Originally it was a useful and sensible debate about the merits of people being able to see if someone was on voice and also that some people were feeling excluded or harassed. It's just veered massively off course.

/me shrugs, and goes off to voice with my baby!

Well, I came to SL to play with my best friend, who lives vv far away from me . So, instead of sitting on our respective couches and yakking on the phone, we sit at our pcs and yak using voice as we travel inworld. However, she's the only one I use it with, b/c I already knew her IRL. And also b/c we....um...are chatterboxes! It would take FOREVER to type. We'd never get anything done!

But I like really like texting, and have not found it to difficult at all in meeting/chatting with new friends. The thought of voice chats with so many diff peeps...eek.

I'm making conclusions based on the context of your posts. If they are the wrong ones, they are the wrong ones.

I was however trying to read what you write and understand it.

I have a problem with double standards and stereotypes - thats my pet peave as much as your not liking crappy audio.

Evidently none of your posts should have been construed as promoting either. My apologies.