"A fantasy world awash with sex and porn"
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Jig Chippewa
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11-15-2008 08:13
From: Conan Godwin If, like her, I were a professional porn star I would consider it to be an occupational hazard. I doubt that it would ruin her career, all things considered. If a person only refers to a career that is one thing; Once the front door is closed, then surely all of us can expect privacy for ourselves, our partners and our families? The modern Press seem to think that it is fair to indulge the titilation of the general population. Obviously in thi scase many peopel disapproved of teh actions of the two people "exposing" the personalities. I kid you not when I say the fear of exposure and reveal is a constant worry and a source of apprehension. It's no one's business who any of us sleep with, it's nobody elses business if we enter a rehab program, or if we simply want to be with our partners, our Mums and Dads, and for some, teh grans and grandads. I really feel for this young woman. I know what it feels like. People can be cynical but what interest can be satisfied by much of what i ssaid about teh many many people who entertain or are in teh public eye in one way or another. It's an age-old debate, I know, and to some extent its six of one and half a dozen of teh other, BUT, there is an assumption that it sall part o fteh job for teh "victim". Well, try telling that to the grandparent or your nephew. That kind of "press" and "humour" is really the pornography. Think of how we guard our privacy here in sl. Many of us are fanatical about separating the real from the virtual. Forgive my spellings I am typing fast.
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Weston Graves
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11-15-2008 11:36
From: Jig Chippewa That kind of "press" and "humour" is really the pornography.
Exactly. Well put. I've always questioned the old adage about there being no such thing as bad publicity. It is utterly none of my business what anyone else does, celebrity or otherwise.
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Conan Godwin
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11-15-2008 11:37
Having your sexuality thrust into the public eye is pretty much what you're signing up for when you become a porn star.
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Iain Sullivan
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Sex and Porn
11-15-2008 11:54
Thats what SL has become synonymous with and its why it will never be taken as a serious business platform over an entertainment one imo  but for those that run adult businesses then its all good  I wonder if the new influx of residents today was due to these sex and scandal stories in the press lol
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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11-15-2008 14:47
From: Iain Sullivan Thats what SL has become synonymous with and its why it will never be taken as a serious business platform over an entertainment one Thank God.
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Derbor Torok
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11-15-2008 15:21
From: Iain Sullivan Thats what SL has become synonymous with and its why it will never be taken as a serious business platform over an entertainment one imo  but for those that run adult businesses then its all good  I wonder if the new influx of residents today was due to these sex and scandal stories in the press lol Are you saying that sex is not serious business? I think those stories are written for YOU..  ) .d
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Chellonia Regent
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11-15-2008 16:00
From: Mango Birdbrain Picked up my once-decent Daily Mail today and was confronted with this...
Um... when was the Daily Mail decent? I've lived in Britain for 20 years. Must have missed the week when the weren't spewing reactionary bile to sell papers to the ignorant masses.
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Revi Ryba
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Tried everything else and nobody gave a Sh@T!!
11-15-2008 16:55
I have been in SL in one Avatar or another for almost 3 years now. I tried building houses, mall kiosks, furniture and a host of other things. I spent a long time learning things in order to make better than average products for people to buy. Nobody bought them, or at least not enough to justify the time I put into it. So I thought, Clothing! Make some cool Leather jackets, and so I did, and even tho I still get compliments when I wear them myself, they didn't sell even when I made franchise vendors to sell them. These are but 2 of the 10 things I've tried to make a few lindens to pay for my land tier etc. I built a giant 1/4 sim Sex Mall and Escort Area a couple of days ago and already the traffic is high and they rental booths are filling up. So forgive me for contributing to a Virtual World awash with sex and porn, but I played in bar bands for years and I learned the real golden rule. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!!
Revi Ryba The Sex Warehouse
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Surty Slok
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11-15-2008 17:21
From: Chellonia Regent Um... when was the Daily Mail decent? I've lived in Britain for 20 years. Must have missed the week when the weren't spewing reactionary bile to sell papers to the ignorant masses. Going back a bit further: http://tinyurl.com/676dyaTo be fair, the mail has shifted slightly since the 30s - mostly to the right .... best Surty ....
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Maya Remblai
The one with pink hair.
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11-15-2008 21:22
From: Revi Ryba I have been in SL in one Avatar or another for almost 3 years now. I tried building houses, mall kiosks, furniture and a host of other things. I spent a long time learning things in order to make better than average products for people to buy. Nobody bought them, or at least not enough to justify the time I put into it. So I thought, Clothing! Make some cool Leather jackets, and so I did, and even tho I still get compliments when I wear them myself, they didn't sell even when I made franchise vendors to sell them. These are but 2 of the 10 things I've tried to make a few lindens to pay for my land tier etc. I built a giant 1/4 sim Sex Mall and Escort Area a couple of days ago and already the traffic is high and they rental booths are filling up. So forgive me for contributing to a Virtual World awash with sex and porn, but I played in bar bands for years and I learned the real golden rule. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!!
Revi Ryba The Sex Warehouse Odd, I've always been strictly PG, and always will be, and yet I've gotten attention, traffic, and sales since the start. It's true that the people want what they want, but they don't all want sex  I'd probably lose quite a few customers if I started putting prim doodles on my avatars. In truth, even clothing, one of the big sellers, is only a big seller if it's new and different. There are too many creators catering to "human style" stuff (ie things you might see in real life) and not enough ways to do them differently, so it's hard to break into the market. On the other hand, do something that is both in demand and unique, and it's not so hard. That's one of the things I like about being in the animal avatar business - no two people will make the same thing, so there's room for everyone. But that's straying from the topic. My point is that yes, sex sells, but it's not the only thing that sells. Sometimes it's hit and miss, but most of the time it comes down to how different your stuff is.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-15-2008 21:34
From: Brenda Connolly Politicians. Oh god, please, not politicians.
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Ann Otoole
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11-15-2008 21:46
It is a tabloid. Nothing in that publication can be relied on for anything at all.
Like in the US we have the Weekly World News. With bat boy! (We need bat boy in SL too)
Only a complete idiot takes anything printed in that uk tabloid as factual or serious.
On the bright side it is all entertainment. So is Secondlife.
Secondlife is and will remain an entertainment platform. (Unless LL outlaws entertainment at which time they can lay everyone off and sell the building because it will end SL forever)
Stories such as this made it to the US. Debated on fox news for like 10 minutes during the prime morning time slot. Even on CNN.
Excellent advertising. This is what brings new curious residents.
Kudos to whatever advertising company concocted this advertising campaign.
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Adz Childs
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11-15-2008 23:02
From: Conan Godwin Having your sexuality thrust into the public eye is pretty much what you're signing up for when you become a porn star. Ow! my eye!
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Iain Sullivan
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11-16-2008 02:45
From: Chris Norse Thank God. One poster agrees 
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Iain Sullivan
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11-16-2008 02:47
From: Derbor Torok Are you saying that sex is not serious business? I think those stories are written for YOU..  ) .d Yes sex is a dam serious business it pays the bills from our website lol and long may the stories continue  I will give the reporter a ring and ask when the next story about the furry ageplaying Gors will be coming out, its so good for business lol
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
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11-16-2008 07:29
We seem to be going around in circles here. Maybe I am younger than many of you - then you are all under 30 then - but I really believe that I have been plonked down in a far more puritan age than parents and granparents who were my age now when they were living in central London in teh 1960s and 70s. I look at pics and magazines from then and they were WAY ahead of us in sexual freedom and morals. I was brought up on The Vagina Monologues, read Margaret Drabble and Erica Jong and other "thinking" women on being women (and men), and really hoped that my generation was as lucky as theirs. But it seems that we live in a dark age where sex is regarded as smut, and "sinners" are people who enjoy the touch of a human. However, violence, bloodsports videos, and war seem to be suitable themes for much of teh web and teh world. My God, they are even banning same-sex marriage again in parts of USA!!!! Please forgive if I ramble - I have just got up (without a partner!) and have made a coffee.
I'll just add that I think sl can play a small (but perhaps significant) role in subscribing to a liberal lifestyle and even defending itself in public statements, outlining its policies and its objectives. We dont decry cities or towns when we read about some sad people who crave only beauty and discover that once they have it they dont love each other. We recognize that at least the place they live has allowed them teh means to express themselves.
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Roisin Hotaling
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11-16-2008 14:31
From: Jig Chippewa We seem to be going around in circles here. Maybe I am younger than many of you - then you are all under 30 then - but I really believe that I have been plonked down in a far more puritan age than parents and granparents who were my age now when they were living in central London in teh 1960s and 70s. I look at pics and magazines from then and they were WAY ahead of us in sexual freedom and morals. Two things have risen considerably since the 1960s and 1970s: AIDS and fundamentalists. If anything can curtail sexual freedom, the risk of contracting a fatal disease with no cure in sight would do it (and has). I'm not analytical enough (or in the mood to do the research right now) to explain why fundamentalism seems to have increased in the past 40 years, but maybe someone else will tackle that.
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Brenda Connolly
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11-16-2008 15:01
From: Roisin Hotaling Two things have risen considerably since the 1960s and 1970s: AIDS and fundamentalists. If anything can curtail sexual freedom, the risk of contracting a fatal disease with no cure in sight would do it (and has). I'm not analytical enough (or in the mood to do the research right now) to explain why fundamentalism seems to have increased in the past 40 years, but maybe someone else will tackle that. For some, there is a direct corelation to the Aids epidemic.
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Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
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11-16-2008 15:34
I avoid the sex places in SL, not because I'm a prude but because I have zero interest in it. Even though I avoid it, I still seem to come across it a lot.......e.g. I recently rented a land parcel, nice sim, nice homes etc. Little did I know the people renting on the sim were some kind of lesbian cult, with strange alters around the place and they weren't adverse to roaming around with their penis hanging out in full view. Sorry but I don't wanna see chicks with dicks on my home island.......but that's just me!
Whilst I was and continue to be surprised (not shocked) at the amount of sex that goes on in SL, I think there is soooo much more to SL than the seedy side of things. There is so much more to report on and it's sad that this reporter seems to want insinuate that SL is all about sex, cos it's not.
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Jedi Quintessa
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11-16-2008 18:32
apart from the one pic which was obviously taken in the 1970s i can see why those desperatos resort to online sex, they are all somewat unfortunate looking!!!!! none of them would likely get laid irl
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FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
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11-16-2008 21:33
I am very liberal person, If you knew anything about first life or history I have explored and done my share of wild things in first and second life. I could mess around if I choose to do so here and I have but it just not that interesting for me, actually it was quite boring but that is just me. Everyone has different interest, morals and values. Even my partner and I share different opinions and values on things like Gay Marriage,etc. Sometimes his opinions bother me but he has the right to them just like anyone else I don't have to agree or convince him I am right. I do so out of love and tolerance. I don't need to prove I am right or convince others to be anything other then what they are but I don't always agree either. Personally being liberal minded person means to be fair, to allow others the freedom within whatever laws or their own personal ethics to choose. It also means what doesn't seem fair or just that respects all people regardless of who they are the same opportunities to enjoy life be it first or second I find personally offensive. It doesn't mean I put on my prim dick and wave it everyone's face expect everyone to to have a sexual romp with me and call it love. I love my friends in SL, they inspired, help, encouraged me, given me numerous wondrous emotional experiences and I love them deeply. What others do behind their closed prim or real life doors of their dungeon or bedroom or in public sex club I respect and have no problem with that. It is their right as human beings to express their sexuality as long as it isn't harming or intruding on others enjoyment here. But for me personally the free love movement of the 60's and 70's that started in 1800's wasn't about love for me, it was about exploitation, abuse and using children and anything or anyone else one could get into bed to get off sexually without acknowledging the consequences of this.. It had nothing do with love. It had in my opinion do with selfishness, but they have that right to do so but it has had very harmful effects on some people who grew up around that period. I don't care what others do they have their rights to do whatever, as long as it doesn't harm others. Yet there are other people who want other things and they have right to respected and not be objectified by any horny noobie or oldbie who thinks SL is just their sexual playground that they can do everything even if it disrespects others. It just isn't fair nor loving in my book.
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Chris Norse
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11-17-2008 07:37
From: Roisin Hotaling . I'm not analytical enough (or in the mood to do the research right now) to explain why fundamentalism seems to have increased in the past 40 years, but maybe someone else will tackle that. It hasn't but it makes a nice boogey man for the media and the left to attack. So it gets air play.
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Roisin Hotaling
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11-17-2008 09:49
From: Chris Norse It hasn't but it makes a nice boogey man for the media and the left to attack. So it gets air play. Well, that's why I said " seems to have increased." I don't have figures to indicate whether fundamentalism has actually increased (beyond what would be expected as correlated with population growth) or if they're just more vocal and well-publicized, or if they've just become more interested in applying their particular brand of morals to everyone else.
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Conan Godwin
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11-17-2008 11:54
From: Jig Chippewa they were WAY ahead of us in sexual freedom and morals. There are many that would call that a contradiction in terms and would argue that sexual freedom and morals are mutually exclusive.
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Chris Norse
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11-17-2008 12:34
From: Roisin Hotaling if they've just become more interested in applying their particular brand of morals to everyone else. Most people alive today want to apply their particular morals on everyone else. It is why we have elections and wars.
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