Stolen business name?

You Sir, have finally shown yourself for the person you are. Piggyback rider.

/me laughs, waves at Couldbe. Yeah it's really powerful, getting stronger, chesting up. (Chesting up to each other is that thing boys do right, just before someone throws the first punch?)

To be quite honest, this is nice. I am not going to lie and say I think it's crap because I don't. It's a nice website, simple and clear with nice pics and information. (although that set on the first page, I bought in blue, nearly identical from Prim Savers, in 200 It was my first 'set' of furniture in SL.)

If you hadn't done what you did with the name thing, I'd probably be considering you viable and fair competition in the one prim SL furniture field. It slides down to tacky because of the name.

Now, I am talking to you like an adult (which your SL daughter said we should do, so I am). I am not calling you names or questioning your initial motive. I am just saying that my opinion is (yes, I understand you don't care about my opinion but this is a forum, we get to do that here.) your researching was poor and incomplete back when you were choosing your name. You should have easily and quickly found Prim Savers. This website only goes back to Nov. 2009, Phil's been in business since long before that. It's just, as they say, 'The principal of the thing'.

If you put everything in a row, I think that he did his research very well...

Are you serious????

This is a 1 prim set of couches... I sculpted it... I can't believe this... honestly...

Floyd, Fred, whatever your name is: ethically, you're in the wrong. Ethically, the right thing to do would be to change your business name.

On the other hand, after watching Phil ramble on about the only thing that mattered was whether his bots were against the ToS or not, I can't resist a touch of amusement at his predicament.

On the gripping hand, I think you're going to end up screwing the pooch by the numbers. And since you seem to be cut from the same cloth as Phil, I'm sure it will be amusing.

Unfortunately.....because of your choice in how to proceed.....this will be what you're up against. It was your choice, and it's how you will be perceived. You'll have to deal with it.

You had a fair sampling of opinions here. I participate in this forum a lot....and I can go back over the personalities that gave you an opinion....and I guarantee you that they rarely agree on anything. Rarely.

I disagree with you!

Floyd, I am a SL consumer. A shopper. A customer. I don't know from sculpties, to anything else how this stuff is made. I am not a content creator, or a scripter. I buy the stuff other people make, and I buy a lot of it, cause I like to shop, and because I can.

So to answer your question, all I am saying here, is that the set I bought from Phil, long time ago, to me looks like what you've got there on the website. I am not saying they are identical, or that you stole them or anything. I am just saying to me, they look very similar. I honestly don't remember the prim count in the set I bought from Phil, it's been nearly 2 years ago. That probably wasn't that important to me at the time, I wasn't really counting prims.

So don't take offense at that comment, because, to a shopper/consumer, a thing may look like another thing, but still not be the same. I know some people here have content creators paranoia, (understandable) because there's so much theft out there, but that isn't what I am saying at all. Just that your stuff looks something like what I got from Prim Savers, and so will probably further confuse yours and Phil's customers, because the stuff simply looks similar.

Ah, but there's a huge difference between someone using another person's tradename to trade in the same field and in the same place, and someone doing something in SL that some people don't like. The first is an infringement of RL law, but the second is only against some people's preferences.

ETA:
But I can understand your amusement

I agree with that! We disagree on every point!

Until it goes before a judge, it's a matter of opinion whether it's against the law or not. And if the judge is in Romania, who knows how it will turn out.

True, but I'm confident about an outcome - provided that Prim Savers is far enough removed from every day language that it could be registered as a trademark.

I blieve that he's part Romanian, but living in Canada.

The first might or might not be an infringement that could get a court order granted. If that happened, and the order were served on LL, then LL would take action.

In the second, remember that the "some people" includes LL. Their 'preference' that people not game search is very clearly stated by them.

And when LL stated that, we complied with their desires

uhmmm I havent read all the gumpf before the last 100 or so pages i read but i just looked at the web site from the guy in canada(?) www.primsavers.com..and it doesnt look that much to shout about really...unless the litle photos dont do it justice?

Maybe you need to see it close up...

I didn't like to say it myself, but the site does need some work on it - not least, you don't butt text up to pictures. It looks like some text and stuff in a decent website template.

Exactly, and as I warned several pages back, people who don't know the story are all likely to see the name, see the creator isn't Phil, and jump to the conclusion it's been copybotted. Floyd's likely to find he's spending a disproportionate amount of time explaining that Prim Savers and PrimSavers are two completely different things.

My dear chum and business partner, an animator, ruled out using her SL first name, Vesta (the Roman goddess of the hearth, and chosen before she'd ever heard of AOs, let alone thought of making them), as any part of her business name here because it's too similar to that of another, very well known, animator. That wasn't because of business ethics particularly, but because she just didn't want to waste loads of her and her near namesake's time with them both having to explain to people that no, they weren't looking for her store (or shouldn't be directing their questions and complaints to her) because the item in question was made by the other one.

She took the attitude she'd rather devote her energies to creating stuff and selling it, which seems just common sense to me.

Nope. You have said that you won't, for instance, stop keyword stuffing until it suits you. Even then you will only reduce it from massive level to some level that you determine to be a break-even point.
Yet is clear that they don't want people to stuff. It damages Search.

It is very clear what their intention is.
Their implementation is sub-optimal.
To take advantage of the flaws is to not comply with their desires.

Wrong again, Sling. I have said no such thing. Why don't you stick to the truth instead of making things up?

I think that covers the rest of your post.

Agreed. Floyd is following the "how to screw up by the numbers" playbook.

I'm sure it causes you great pain to say so now

Realistically: The domain was registered on the 11th. The site was most likely created in a rush. The thing would have been done in response to a posting in this thread. Give it a bit more time.
Isn't it bad form / saucer_of-milk to be commenting on the quality of competitor work?


Anyhoo, they got there first on the domain name in the 'classic' .com TLD
DotCom - people still relate to it.
I see that short domains like ThePrimSavers and BestPrimSavers are available.

But maybe primsavers.co.uk is more appropriate?

No, Sling. The idea of doing a website floated through my mind a very long time ago, and I decided against it. I'm not going to change my mind now.

Memory refresh:

So:



You said that you will do it when it suits you.



You said that you will reduce to a breakeven level.



Looks like I stuck to the truth, and you have memory issues.