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Is that what is done though?

Im really curious.

For some reason I would guess not. But I may be wrong.

I mean if you sell an island thats ALL covenant land and sold - is it free? Or very cheap? Seems unlikely.

The new owner of an Island is free to do whatever they want with the entire Island. That is why they are buying it rather than a portion of a sim on the mainland. It's up to the previous owner to take care of his/her customers. IMO.

No they charge pretty much what a full island would cost minus a couple of hundred dollars, but the new owner is stealing land. No two ways about it.

However a second hand island is worth, full island price minus transfer fee ($100) - when tier is due - land that does not belong to the seller or existing tier fees paid.

If the new owner does not deduct these commitments, then they are stealing. It's barefaced robbery. It;s inexcusable to say it's the old owner's problem because they should find these facts out before they buy.

The only reason I don't mention Des as one of my recommendations is he has a waiting list as long as one RP's posts.

Stealing land?? NO, they are paying for a sim, and taking on the old owner's obligation. That the sim has RENTED plots on it is the old owner's problem and the old owner is the one who should be compensating for a new island owner's loss.

If I were to buy a sim with rentals, I would probably look about keeping the tenants. But if they don't like changes to the covenant, I am not going to pay out of my pocket when I didn't take the money in to begin with. That's ripping off the new owner, and it would be better to just clean house upon taking the island.

No it's not, this excuses the con. The new buyer should find out how the land lies and then pay a fee that is equitable to compensation of existing tenants. To excuse the new owner is making the scam legitimate, it is not legitimate to ripoff residents in this fashion. If a new owner can't be bothered to find out how many other residents own plots, then they are as guilty of conning residents as the old owner.

This is reason #3 why I would never buy someone's old island and would just order a new one from LL.

If they were taking on the old owner's obligation then existing sold plots and tier fees would be deducted from the purchase price.

Anything else is aiding and abetting theft.

course if the old owner doesn't disclose this information it could be the old owners fault, as well.

All the Island land belongs to the seller. No matter how many agreements he has made or how many people are living there. It's up to him not to cheat people when he sells. A buyer is buying the whole Island. This is according to how LL structures it. It would be great if they do honor someone else's covenant, but the buyer is under no obligation to do that, other than the law of "doing the right thing".

BS, they take on the bills as far as LL is concerned. That's the end of that.

The common denominator here is THE OLD OWNER. This is the person who shouldn't be getting off scot-free.

I've never thought about it in this sort of detail, and it's interesting.

I have to agree that it's wrong, in a moral sense, for someone to sell land that they've already sold to other people. I don't see any way round that conclusion, even if it means the new owner gets it for free.

I'd stop short of calling it theft, although that's what it is effectively. The reason I wouldn't call it that is because it's only (morally) theft if the person realises that it's not his/hers to selll again, and people can be excused for it, imo, because it's the norm. The same applies to new owners - imo.

Well we can argue until the cows come home / hell freezes over / all SL viewer bugs are fixed...

... but I would still argue that a system that lets person A buy an island, "sell" chunks of it, take the money and then potentially sell to his/her OWN alt and in the process kick all the tenants out, keeping all the money is fatally flawed and begging for abuse.

I wonder how many times this chain could be strung along before Linden consider the situation not unlike the SL banks?

really sounds like before you sell an island you should buy your tennants out at what they paid you (or something like that fair market w/e)

If they want to stay they can buy the land back off the new owner.

BS, anyone buying a second hand island knows how things work. Not doing your homework is no excuse, Anyone buying an island in this fashion is a con artist.

The buyer should find out these details, if they don't they are guilty in the scam. It's absolute hogwash to excuse the buyer as an innocent bystander.

I wouldn't say that. I recently considered buying an existing island, and these things never crossed my mind. If I'd bought one, and discovered these things afterwards, I would have felt conned, or dropped in it by the seller, but I certainly wouldn't have been a con artist.

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That's not to say that these things wouldn't have crossed my mind at some stage during the process of buying.

A new island costs $1675, if you're laying out that sort of money you should damn well do your homework. Buyers should not get off scot free, it's immoral not to check these sort of details.

If buyers actually bothered to check what they were buying, these sort of scams would be less prevalent.

A landbot taking land set to anyone by mistake and keeping it is also a "Scam". A person lowering the value of all the land around them with ad farms and extorting money to have their blight removed is also perpetuating a scam. And also fine to do according to LL. They even made search more advantageous for bots than real people clicking the search page. They are even turning unclaimed small parcels right over to ad farmers.

I agree that someone is being victimized in all these cases, but if you want to blame someone, blame the company who enforces certain things and lets other things go.

Maybe so, but it is the norm to sell islands for significant money. I only judge a person guilty of something if they knew that they shouldn't do it. The law sees guilt a little differently but, for me, it's what's in the heart that matters. To me, a person isn't morally guilty if s/he didn't know.

Why? I'm a strong believer in Economic Darwinism.

If you can't understand that "anyone" means "anyone" then perhaps you should lose the money.

Agreed 100%. Those who take land in such fashion are con artists and deserve exposing and Sarah Nerd exposes them well.



Again agreed 100%, Ad farmers who do this are extortionists and it needs to be addressed. There's a notorious one who sells parcels for near L$10,000, he should be stopped but the TOS doesn't currently allow it.



Again I agree that they turn a blind eye when it suits them, but buyers need to make themselves aware and buyers should be held responsible for what they buy. If buyers would actually point out that buying an island where existing agreements exist was conning existing tenants, then we'd see less people complaining which would be good for everyone, the buyer is complicit in the scam, they need to take responsibility for what they are buying and challenge the seller.

Yes, the only usual deductions are the transfer fee and when tier is due.



People buying second hand islands are generally experienced land dealers, they know how the land lies, they know what they are doing. It's not a small sum of money involved, the buyer has a responsibility and it's because we excuse the buyer that these scams continue.

I don't disgaree with that. It's judging them as thieves and con artists that I disagree with.

The problem lies in the assumption that "Anyone" is limited to the abilities to buy land that your normal non bot self has.


Where a landbot is under no such restrictions.