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Brenda Connolly
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01-12-2008 09:48
From: OneBeautiful Jewell
Great, his name is Raymond Figtree:)

Never heard of him. :rolleyes:
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Ciaran Laval
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01-12-2008 10:26
From: Sparkz Munro


I am still considering doing this. I'd be happy to break even and have a little play space for myself and possibly use space for some of the charitable groups in sl.



Don't look to break even, seriously, look to make profit and then reinvest it into those charitable groups you talk of because there will be periods when your rentals aren't full for one reason or another and you'll want to give yourself some wiggle room.
Sparkz Munro
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01-12-2008 11:58
a fair point and a bit of wiggle never did do any harm lol
Angelique LaFollette
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01-12-2008 12:13
From: Lotta Cochrane
LL have ignored our apeal. .
Does No One read the TOS at all? It's printed in language about as plain as it gets, Linden Lab does NOT get involved in Trade disputes between Players. When you "Buy" land on a non mainland Sim From the Sim owner, your "Ownership" is only as Good as the Sim owners Good Will, and Continued presence makes it. When he Sold the Sim, he sold the WHOLE thing. Whatever deal you had went out the Door with the Old owner, the new owner Bought a whole Sim and may do with it as he pleases and is under NO obligation to Carry over Subdivision Deals made by the previous owner, and there is no way to Force him to Honor agreements he was never a party to.

It's Unfortunate your World has Changed, But Unfortunately that is the Potential Outcome when you Buy Land in this fashion. You should have considered it Before you Committed.

Oh, BTW re the sale of Manhattan island, the popular Story places the sale price at about $21 worth of trade Goods. What is NOT common knowledge is, the Aboriginals striking the Deal were part of a raiding party from a neighboring region, and Not the tribe that actually owned the land.
Therefore, this amounts to the First new York Land swindle, and should rank higher than the Infamous "Sale of the Brooklyn Bridge" Swindle.

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Ciaran Laval
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01-12-2008 12:46
From: Angelique LaFollette
Does No One read the TOS at all? It's printed in language about as plain as it gets, Linden Lab does NOT get involved in Trade disputes between Players.


The banking ban quite clearly suggests otherwise. If it's good enough for them to do it for banking then surely they can implement a code of practice for island sales.

From: Angelique LaFollette
Whatever deal you had went out the Door with the Old owner, the new owner Bought a whole Sim and may do with it as he pleases and is under NO obligation to Carry over Subdivision Deals made by the previous owner, and there is no way to Force him to Honor agreements he was never a party to.



However the new person who purchased the island is complicit in the scam and ripoff of the existing residents. This needs to be addressed.
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01-12-2008 13:03
From: Ciaran Laval
The banking ban quite clearly suggests otherwise. If it's good enough for them to do it for banking then surely they can implement a code of practice for island sales.



However the new person who purchased the island is complicit in the scam and ripoff of the existing residents. This needs to be addressed.


these are good points.

It is simply not clear enough that you are not getting the same thing when you buy Covenant land as you do when you buy mainland.
Raymond Figtree
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01-12-2008 15:50
From: Blake Dwi
Someone go get Raymond..He has the ordained Official A-List Estate Owners Guide.
It's only ordained by me. Anyone can PM me for my recommendations of estate owners I would stake my own reputation on.

Big thanks to OneBeautiful for your kind words. We are blessed to have some of the best tenants in SL, with you leading the way. :)
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01-12-2008 16:06
From: Brenda Connolly
Count me in as a satisfied Island "renter" I paid an upfront fee too, but I have a beautiful plot on an island with a nice prim multiplier. My landlord is a dear, the covenant is very light, mainly just be nice and considerate, and I do have the ability to sell my plot.
Apart from the "landlord is a dear" bit, that's the same story that everyone who buys on islands has - right up until the landlord decides not to be a landlord any more, and sells the island. Remember that all those who have have bad luck stories preceded the stories with good ones.

There are good and bad people out there, and even the good ones may not be so good at the time they decide to sell; i.e. kept the money that they get for the island, as they have every right to do. That would be fine, of course, unless the next owner is a bad lot - and then the bad stories come out.
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01-12-2008 16:31
From: Phil Deakins
Apart from the "landlord is a dear" bit, that's the same story that everyone who buys on islands has - right up until the landlord decides not to be a landlord any more, and sells the island. Remember that all those who have have bad luck stories preceded the stories with good ones.

There are good and bad people out there, and even the good ones may not be so good at the time they decide to sell; i.e. kept the money that they get for the island, as they have every right to do. That would be fine, of course, unless the next owner is a bad lot - and then the bad stories come out.


Yes, Phil I know that. As I always said it's risk vs reward. I prefer where I am to the chaos of the mainland. If my landlord were to run off into the night with my money, C'est la vie. The money I put into SL is disposable, it is no different to me than renting a movie or going to a ball game. You've made it clear that SL is Big Serious Business, and your way is the way we all should play it.I'm a big girl, I can look after myself. Go piss in someone else's Wheaties. I think your camping bots may need an oil change.
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01-12-2008 16:31
i thought there was a sticky somewhere that explained in detail the difference between what to look for when buying mainland vs estate land.

if someone can post that link, that might raelly help these folks, as well as others who might read this later with same questions. i'd do it myself, but for the life of me i can't find it!

i'd like to read it too.
Brenda Connolly
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01-12-2008 16:34
From: 3Ring Binder
i thought there was a sticky somewhere that explained in detail the difference between what to look for when buying mainland vs estate land.

if someone can post that link, that might raelly help these folks, as well as others who might read this later with same questions. i'd do it myself, but for the life of me i can't find it!

i'd like to read it too.

Just listen to Phil He's the expert.
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01-12-2008 16:37
nothing personal against Phil, but i'd prefer to read the sticky.
Raymond Figtree
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01-12-2008 16:49
Sarah Nerd had a notecard with her writeup of the difference. Looking for another source for it...
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01-12-2008 16:50
it oughta be included in the land buying sticky above.
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01-12-2008 16:50
From: 3Ring Binder
nothing personal against Phil, but i'd prefer to read the sticky.


Phil's Post has a higher traffic count.
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01-12-2008 16:53
From: Colette Meiji
Phil's Post has a higher traffic count.

yeah, but it's gamed. that doesn't count.
Colette Meiji
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01-12-2008 16:54
From: 3Ring Binder
yeah, but it's gamed. that doesn't count.


Well yeah, but everybody is doing it.
Raymond Figtree
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01-12-2008 16:55
From: Colette Meiji
Phil's Post has a higher traffic count.
I have 20 alts camping on his post.
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01-12-2008 16:56
From: Raymond Figtree
I have 20 alts camping on his post.

you have 20 alts? :eek:

more importantly, how big is his post? :eek:
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01-12-2008 16:56
From: Raymond Figtree
I have 20 alts camping on his post.


with a security script? To keep the nosy people out?
Brenda Connolly
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01-12-2008 16:57
From: Raymond Figtree
I have 20 alts camping on his post.

Are they eating pizza and reading "Snowcrash?
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01-12-2008 16:57
From: Colette Meiji
with a security script? To keep the nosy people out?

except pinocchio. he las a long nose. might be needed so all those alts have a place to sit.
Ciaran Laval
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01-12-2008 18:39
From: Phil Deakins
Apart from the "landlord is a dear" bit, that's the same story that everyone who buys on islands has - right up until the landlord decides not to be a landlord any more, and sells the island. Remember that all those who have have bad luck stories preceded the stories with good ones.

There are good and bad people out there, and even the good ones may not be so good at the time they decide to sell; i.e. kept the money that they get for the island, as they have every right to do. That would be fine, of course, unless the next owner is a bad lot - and then the bad stories come out.


And how much is lost though lost delivery of items?
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01-12-2008 18:46
From: Brenda Connolly
You've made it clear that SL is Big Serious Business, and your way is the way we all should play it.I'm a big girl, I can look after myself. Go piss in someone else's Wheaties. I think your camping bots may need an oil change.
That was totally uncalled for, Brenda. I merely pointed out that all the stories are good, until some of them turn bad.
Phil Deakins
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01-12-2008 18:47
From: Ciaran Laval
And how much is lost though lost delivery of items?
Nothing is lost at my place. Are you trying to score points. or what?
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