Sl Land

This has gotten out of hand guys. This thread has nothing to do with camping bots and whether someone chooses to use them. A few jabs are okay but now let's all take a deep breath and get back on track here.

Yes, let's get back to praising SL's stellar landlords.

No I'm trying to point out that people lose money in plenty of places.

Welcome to SL.

There are literally hundreds of small-time private sim owners who are only in SL to make a buck and won't hesitate to screw people over for a quick ellbuck. If you go for a private sim, first make sure that the landlord is well established, actually ads value to the sim, and has some sort of community behind the development idea- otherwise you are just getting generic land, and you are better off with mainland.

Let's not forget the estate managers.

/me forgot I am too shy to post...

Edit to add: thanks OneBeautiful! You can tint or untint my windows anytime!

Was there a particular one you had in mind?

Thank you Rosie, you are the bestest estate manager ever

xoxo

Fair Enough. I may have read more into that than was there.

Yes, Sarah Nerd. And Wildefire Walcott. And Darien Caldwell. And Kandee Herrey. And Stephen Zenith. And...

Quoted for truth times a million!

Id never buy land from a private owner. They are as bad as landlords . Most dont give a hoot about you and theres nothing you can do about it unfortunately.

Friggin' landlords. They are greedy evil bastards. Hang em all from a flourescent rotating ad farm sign!

...well, there's this guy named Raymond that I know.

I can quite understand this point of view, but in that case how could an "honest" landlord even get started?

Then you would have no good landlords, only "well established" ones that prey on people who dont know what to look for.

Offer the right product at a fair price and they will come, regardless of reputation. Then all you need to do is not screw anyone over and you can have a long career in SL land renting.

Three things should be made clear to ANY new resident:

- You CAN own land with all rights without being premium, even without payment info.
- If you do own land like that, you rent it, you don't buy.
- You don't have any warranties, right for reimbursement or anything, nor will LL intervene if anything goes wrong.

I think many people just don't know. If I wasn't told by a friend I wouldn't have known either.

Renting from a private sim owner is a great thing. But only if you pay for a small amount of time only, and, most important, if you can trust the owner. Make friends with them first, ask around, look how they behave.

I was extremely lucky. I have a great landlord who is also a friend. I started with a small 512 plot, the last one on the island (now there are 3 islands). Buying prize was L$0. When they built a mall my home was moved to another place on the estate. To compensate me he gave me 2 weeks for free and doubled both my plot's size and its prims without raising my rent. I have a nice small home now for an extremely low rent.

Uh oh. I'm in trouble.

Life in a DISCLAIMER universe.

This is garbage.

To the OP and the other person who lost the $800.00.

SUE them, sue Linden. Ignore what amateur attorneys have to say.

It's time this crap stopped. They can't hide behind this BS anymore! It's no different from the Bank Situation and any of the other examples of theft in SL. It's a Scam and Linden Labs is a willing conspirator. Thery can't hide behind their disclaimers. It's no different from fake investment companies sucking people in with good pitch while they obscure the fine print.

They OWE you the refunds and they need to reimburse and permanently BAN the scammers and if they don't do that, then they are just as crooked and are compllcit with the theft.

This "buy at you own risk thing," is being carried to far. Its crap.

Doesn't matter if there are honest estate owners---the system is flawed and it will just get worse.

This is a game that is the property of Linden Labs. They can print as many Linden as they wish and even sell them too on the exchange and I bet they do.

It's absurd they don"t protect their residents, who come trusting into this GAME, with their sparkling little pitch of "your imagination."

Whose "regulating" LL? Certainly not the residents on the forums.

It's like the spider enticing the fly, or those Angler Fish that trick unsuspecting fish to take the bait.

"OH it's a business , they are allowed to make money", "it's not their responsibility to educate you to the dangers...." "Didn't you read the fine print?"

Its a shell game. And there are naive dupes sitting around minimizing it and preaching 'free market."

I don't want to hear any BS ..."Oh you are just stupid for putting money in that bank." These "real estate" scams are just as idiotic. Is the pat line in the forums in the future, going to transmute to include "buying " estate land too anytime soon?

Therefore. Ban the renting of land in SL, by "estate owners." It's a fake racket, lining LL's pockets and the pockets of the people at the top of the Pyramid just like any othe ponzi scam.

We all know it's a scam. Face facts. It's not "buying" anything when you get estate land. Its a scam and lie from the very beginning. IT ISN'T EVEN A LEASE!!!

But LL allows the use of the word "buying"

It's out of control and LL sits there raking in the dough, while poor fools come in and get suckered, by crooks that LL in effect supports with their looking the other way.

And while I am at it, the mainland thing is no different, because when they wheel Philip Linden etc. away in handcufts we are all left holding the bag, with NO land or sim on our own personal computer. Its a con job all the way around.

If it's game money----then fine. but this is real money being pillfered.

And to top it off the GAME itself doesn't even work. And poor Grandma's come into the game and are considered nuts on the forum, when they are showing concern about pedophiles.

Rob me Linden.

Other than that, how is your day going?

Wow

So you agree with me then?

(Thats the "no buy just rent per week" thing btw.....

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sorry posted this in the wrong order, I meant to say that I was looking around and decided that paying for estate land was a mistake I wasn't going to make /laugh

Spooky, if you dont find anything you like IM in world and tell me why cos this is my point from earlier!

*wonders if I should put the island order in right now LOL

Right and where do you propose everyone moves to, because the vast majority of the landscape is estate land.

Yes there are something like 11,000 islands I understand.

Rather than ban renting, perhaps a ban on the initial "sale" of the parcel as this has no real value apart from what you may con (sorry sell) it on for.

If LL can ban all the other stuff most recently banks for should we say "accepting money for no guarantee of return" then surely this practise is rather similar?

Not trying to flame anyone, I just believe that if you pay over hard earned you should get something better than morning mist for it.

Of course, you take a risk with any landlord - whether you rent land, or just a bit of apartment space. That is the nature of dealing with human beings.

The estate business and landlords in general get a bad rap because of a few who are really bad and try to scam people out of their money. And there are plenty more, often unnamed in here, who work hard to give people what they pay for and more, for comparatively little return on the investment, especially when other landlords seek to undercut and drive market prices down to the point that it'll take years to get your investment back. The landlord business isn't a cakewalk, especially as business gets bigger. Nice tenants (hi Brann! and formerly, if you are reading, Apollo!) make it far more rewarding and pleasant. But most want to make an honest go at it and will treat you well.

Mileage is going to vary, here, based on people's threshold for risk aversion. There is no one size fit all answer, because for many, the convenience and freedom of renting is worth the risk of a bad landlord. For others, it's not. Especially when you are on a tight budget, renting can often give you more than you would be able to enjoy if you owned land yourself, due to the constraints of the primmage of the house, such as a neighborhood with great community facilities and the ability to buy a few extra prims without having to tier up by doubling your land holdings. But for some people, this isn't worth the risk, and that's fine. You just have to take care when selecting a place to live.