- whats the point of zindra, now?

I can only assume that the people complaining about businesses with ban lines on Zindra aren't business owners themselves. It is perhaps they who are clueless Or maybe they don't mind being smacked on the head as prims are moved around

Ever tried building and setting up a store without them? Constant interruptions from curious people make building difficult. Not only that, vendors need to be properly setup, scripts reset so that people actually get what they paid for (in my case at least) and everything checked and double checked before opening.

I've built my store from scratch on Zindra twice now (I swapped parcels) and it would have taken twice as long without ban lines. Any business owner with half a brain takes them down asap so just be patient!

As for ban lines elsewhere, if people respected other people's privacy there'd be no need for them. Personally I don't use them (a moot point because I have my own sim) since there can be much fun had toying with invaders before teleporting them home

Wow! Does she ego-trip much? "OMGWTFBBQ!!! ALL OF SL WANTS TO COME SEE *ME*!! I MUST STOP THIS!!!111!!"

On a serious note: I wonder if she had considered a plot in a private estate? That's what they're there for - not Zindra! At least, not *this* early in the game!

Besides, her argument doesn't wash. Banlines aren't very effective for skyboxes... unless the skybox is at less than 50m in altitude.

Sheesh!

I generally tend to agree with this. In RL, when a store is being built, there's "ban lines" in the form of a fence surrounding the construction site, and the public is not allowed in until the store is completely set up. So a lot of banlines at the beginning, I can halfway understand, I think.

On the other hand:



...So these peoples' Extreme ADULT business qualified for the swap, but they're NOT setting up said Extreme ADULT business on their new land, instead simply building a skybox thousands of meters in the air? That's bad form. I was under the impression LL held the swap for people who wanted to put actual businesses in Zindra.

Actually, there might be an advantage to this: You can easily tell, as you are choosing which parcels you want, which of your neighbors might turn out to be complete assholes.

That might initially read as kinda egotistical. But, I remember a thread a while back in which somebody who uses a furry av described a visit to a club, where they found out that the club's rules prohibited furries. So they changed into a regular adult human avatar, but continued to be harrassed by other patrons via PM, proclaiming that "you're not fooling anyone, we KNOW you're really a furry". It was hands-down the funniest thing I ever read.

I could see somebody banning known child-av users, despite the fact that you or I, for instance, could don an adult av at any time and thus theoretically should be able to walk around all points of Zindra without the slightest bit of controversy.

hehe yeh, so true, I have a friend who hasn't bothered to submit a ticket yet for this very reason, he wants to have a look at what he just what he might be getting into.

So was I until I logged in today to find one of the Land Barons that managed to get a swap, now selling the entire (untouched) sim for L$1,000,000 (>L$15 sqm)

Can anyone tell me how LL can justify allowing that person to swap land in the first place??

The AV that asked for the swap should be banned and the Linden that allowed it severely disciplined - as far as I'm concered it's fraud - L$1,000,000 in RL money is over $3,500.

Gomez

The point is to make people buy new land because most wont ever get transfered there once they buy the land that have to pay tier... thats the point... to pay LL...

I disagree that the Linden should be disciplined. If this avatar owned a sim that was largely some kind of adult-content-heavy region, then the Linden approved the swap in good faith, and it's the avatar that should be disciplined.

Logic content: zero. This bit of hateful namecalling embodies a ideology which disallows totally the concept of private property/private ownership. I find it difficult ... impossible ... to believe that you are willing to practice that ideology in your FL.

I'm so shocked... NOT! I'd bet this butthat is just the tip of the ice burgh. They can justify it because they don’t give a rats backside about their customers! I agree it is fraud plain and simple!

Well I must be clueless then. For me having a business means that I really like people to visit me. I have a business in SL and in RL and I will NEVER put banlines around my place, like I will NEVER put a sign on my bureau door telling: "Stay out if you are not my friend."

Business means: I want customers to come and not show them a wall or a barbwire fence.



My solution is to build my stuff at a different place. So my business place looks good all the time and only in the half hour when I replace old by new.



They are more curious when I set up banlines.
It's just a sign telling: come and watch! something secret happening here.



Yeah, I like to set up vendors in the public with people around me. Sometimes I wait with rezzing the vendor till there is a crowd. If they start and ask me questions I have a real big chance to win a new customer.
It's so easy to interrupt vendor setup or script setup for a minute, talk to the potential new customer, give them a free demo or a nice freebie of my production and ask them to wait another 10 minutes to see the complete program in the new vendor.

Such a great chance to get new customers with so little efford.

As a business man I really LIKE people to come to my place and start talking to me. No matter what they ask, I can always introduce my service and products.

I would never dream to ban people from my business place by banlines.



In the same time the Lindens ask me to walk around on Zindra to find a new set of matching parcels. You might save time (though losing chances to promote your business) but I like many others who were not as lucky as you run into the banlines, have to fly higher or find a way around ... we lose time too.

You were lucky to have put in a ticket a few minutes before me. I get punished by having to wait 1 or 2 or 3 weeks while you can establish your business on Zindra. And I also get punished by you, cause I waste time finding parcels when I run into your banlines.
It would only be fair, if the lucky business people who got their land already would not only benefit of days, weeks or even months that they can establish their business before us unlucky one, but also support us just a little bit by not obstructing us in our search of land that we are asked to name in our tickets.



"Be patient!"
That is what the Lindens tell us.

Any business owner with more than half a brain would not ban people from his new land, as those coming along are the curious residents who will soon be customers or they might be business partners.
So as a business owner with hopefully more than a few working cells in my brain I welcome everyone coming, even when I concentrate on building. If I were lucky to have got my land already, I would NOW make sure to have a lot of fresh new contacts, cause it will last weeks till Zindra will be officially opened to the residents.
The time now is to stop building whenenver someone comes along and to talk to them, customers, partners, business opportunities for the future ... they run around on Zindra, but some tell them to stay out.

Funny.



That's what I tell.
I DO NOT set up banlines, and nobody is curious.

I do not get visits in my skybox. OK every other month someone comes along. OK, they might see some pixel sex, but who cares?
They do not see me nakkid, they see a heap of pixels with my avatar name on top. There is nothing they can see that takey anything from MY privacy.

OK, every other month someone visits me and as I don't have pixel sex 24/7, in 99% of the visits a nice chat developes and they either ask me for some money or I got a new customer.

I tried to set up banlines, just for a test. But the advanced functions showed me, that banlines only have the effect that much to often there are more cameras than avatars in my room. That drastically changes when I remove the banlines.

Do not claim that people should be more polite or not respectful. We have the residents in SL that we got. There is no way to get others.

If we don't like them, what can we do? Banlines are the wrong way to get what you call privacy.

But as we are both business people in the adult area, what are you complaining about? Our customers LIKE to see adult stuff. So I cannot blame them when I set up a banline and tell them: behind these red stripes adult action is going to happen. Come and watch!
That is, what banlines do.
Or they tell: I am not interested in new customers. Stay out.



I do not enjoy toying with people, cause those who control the avatars are human beings and not toys. They also are my customers (most of them develop to customers) so it's no real fun to tp them home.

Why not? Residents with LEGITIMATE adult builds have been rejected - at the office hours they even said they could check back on the historical use of the land if necessary - so how did someone that is a well known land baron manage to get the swap?

SOMEONE at LL was responsible for it and it should have been picked up on.

Of course - if the baron has had the build there for over 6 months, then fine - it's not LL's fault - but I doubt very much if this would be the case. In either case, LL should be taking action to prevent this land flipping happening before even the initial swap has finished - it just makes a bigger farce of an already cocked up system.

Gomez

If ban lines actually provided any privacy, that might be an excuse for them, but they don't so that isn't.

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I SO agree with all of the things you said.
I will feature your post, with your permission and direct every linden or spoiled land baron or ''lucky'' land owners to your post. Its VERY true and its exactly how I feel too.
THANK YOu.

Well if your banline makes my plane derez instead of let me fly past in the space of a second, I'm certainly going to be aware of your place, aren't I?

You want privacy? *points to Linden Estate Services*

That's your only true source for unconditional private land.



Ever try a sandbox? I've made every major build in sandboxes - experience takes you to ones where you build unhindered. I think most people use them for large builds. Many have grids on the floor. And along those lines: how about building out of sight in the sky if you dont want to be bothered? Mainland is about community and neighbors. Even on Zindra.

Thanks Proxima,

of course, what I write here is for everyone to read. It's my opinion and my perception, but it's also a bit of business experience.
Not everyone will agree, cause it's so easy to build up banlines and sit back and proudly say: "I am the good one" ... But banlines simply don't do what they might be thought for.

Well, what I write here is public, so you may direct anyone to my posts.

Just put Chris in your ignore list.

Maybe he doesn't care to have your plane buzz by at 50 meters or less altitude. Seems kind of low to me. I usually fly a bit higher so that I don't run into hills and buildings. Those kind of collisions can be traumatic for all involved.

Now sky boxes... don't notice all you flyer's complaining about that menace to the good old flight plan. And sailors, what about those big old mega prim "beaches" that protrude into the channels?

So, about building on sky platforms or in sandboxes: I do this often, but I've also gotten in the habit of building on land that is itself part of the build, with interesting challenges in terrain--and where terraforming within the limits is very much part of the building process.

That said, never once in my three-plus years of building in SL have I ever had a visitor while building who was a bothersome distraction. Sure, I've dropped megaprims on avatar's heads. Recovery is usually swift and complete.

Maybe Zindra is different at the moment, with a lot of "foot traffic" from people looking over the new continent. Honestly, I'd not notice: I've been building in the sky there because mine is a city parcel: no-terraform, no-subdivide, and with very simple terrain.

That's actually a point for those who haven't yet gotten their Zindra parcels: If you want to terraform or subdivide for rentals, etc., be sure the regions you choose allow it. (Most do, just not the ones colored orange on the map in the blog.)

Maybe he's taking off or landing at a neighbor's parcel?

Since Havok4 they don't cluster together any more.

I've actually posted a Jira asking for new water sims because of all the obstructions around the Eastern continent.

Exactly.

Neighbors have them and until I am right next to their property line (usually only happens if I'm flying around) I can't see the ban line at all. And I mean...big deal! Fly around or over the top of it.

The orb however - again, you don't even know where it's coming from half the time. It could be set badly and from a parcel you didn't even enter, or it could be one you flew past, or your av could've lagged into the parcel briefly...I hate those urgent messages to get off their land.

Which is more friendly? LOL (I just find it amusing that some who hate ban lines are trumpeting the virtue of orbs)

I was just flying around as my NPIOF alt and ran into the first "NPI" ban line I've seen in a while. On a parcel for sale, no less! That was really annoying, it wanted to send me to a web page, and you get the option of either saying "no" on the dialog box every time you hit it (and I was bouncing off the top of it because my plane had vanished) or having it pop up a web page every time you hit it.

A good orb can be configured to only work within the owned parcel, which is why the good ones need to be deeded to the group if land is group owned. I set mine to a 30 second ejection timer, which gives them plenty of time to either continue over my land or turn around, and after that it just nicely places them outside my property. I don't see why people are opposed to this. It does, in fact give people enough time to take a picture of themselves on my land or even rez an object (which I allow, but return when I check every couple of days), but that doesn't bother me. I just don't want them making themselves at home and watching my TV, using my toys etc.

Not if they're in a hot air balloon.