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Derbor Torok
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10-29-2007 15:56
From: Wildefire Walcott
The best is the Gorean masters who insist on calling every female they meet, "girl," regardless of where they are and who the person is.


Damn!

And I thought it was my long hair that was confusing them...

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Ordinal Malaprop
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10-29-2007 16:03
From: Wildefire Walcott
The best is the Gorean masters who insist on calling every female they meet, "girl," regardless of where they are and who the person is.

I must admit that I have yet to encounter any who have addressed me in such a dismissive and insolent fashion.

Mind you, the terminology used by some jumped-up little twit is not really something I would take terribly seriously.
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10-29-2007 16:07
From: Hate Hastings
I hate to become defensive of the lifestyle, hobby, or whatever you want to call it, but I will say that it displeases me when I hear a feminist say that a woman can choose to do anything she wants, except willingly or even eagerly submit to a man.

It puts the feminist in a bit of contraction, IMHO. However, it is obviously your right to be annoyed by anything you want (even me, LOL). :)

Regardless of all that, thank you for the post (all of it, not just the quoted part).


Yes. I remember my Sister in Law's decision to leave her profession totally and become a fulltime Mom. Some of her colleagues where aghast that she was setting back "the movement" to cook, clean and do laundry while raising hr kids. She asked her friends how they did it and they all said they had maids and nannies. I guess those girls weren't part of "the movement".
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10-29-2007 16:09
From: Trout Recreant
It's just a stock car. They race them in every town in America with a dirt track. Man. You city folks just don't know how to have fun.


They actually have Cee-Ment tracks now. I know. I seen't one.
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Daisy Rimbaud
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10-29-2007 16:21
From: Wildefire Walcott
The best is the Gorean masters who insist on calling every female they meet, "girl," regardless of where they are and who the person is.


Oh, I have a happy memory of a Gorean "master" in SL ordering me to do some RL work for him, and when I (very politely given the circumstances and the temptation to smack him in the face) declined, he just deflated totally like a punctured balloon.
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10-29-2007 16:23
From: Trout Recreant
I'm already regretting asking this, but how can it be non-consensual in SL? All you have to do is leave. Take off the collar or shackles or ballgag or whatever you don't like, put on some clothes and tp out or log out. I was non-consensually orbitted and all I had to do was log off and relog back into my home location - no harm done.

Not sure if I mentioned this, but I meant role-playing that non-consensual stuff. It wasn't non-consensual, they were just role-playing it. Heck Trout, just look at your own group memberships to try to figure the difference out :) You know, the one involving a baby goat?
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10-29-2007 16:24
From: Kitty Barnett
Much the same way you can verbally or emotionally pressure someone into doing something they don't really want.

Depending on how intense they experience or perceive the relationship they could end up feeling violated or hurt. Whether it happens in person, on the phone, or text online doesn't really make much of a difference.

(Although that's far from being on the same level as rape, but it can definitely be abusive behaviour)

/me nods but refrains from elaborating.
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10-29-2007 16:30
From: Hate Hastings
There is a difference between RP'ing being violated and abused, and really being violated and abused. I still maintain that the girl was loving every second of it.

It's a kink, like any other. But like many others, it's difficult to understand if you don't share it.

Yes, I know, but she wasn't even doing it properly. She was clothed, she seemed to be on the verge of giggling, and seemed to keep making asides to the audience (oh poor me). I might have had a different opinion if she had at least been doing it right.
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10-29-2007 16:32
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Yes, I know, but she wasn't even doing it properly. She was clothed, she seemed to be on the verge of giggling, and seemed to keep making asides to the audience (oh poor me). I might have had a different opinion if she had at least been doing it right.


LOL, I know you know, but others reading the thread might not have, er, known. ;)

Hey, they were having fun, so good for them, however bad they were.
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10-29-2007 16:41
From: Trout Recreant
ok - I'm trying not to laugh, Bradley. That's just sad. He did something to PO his master and his master made him go stand in a public place with boobs? OK - that's just sad and lame. That's the BEST his master could do? That's SO weak. Someone needs to punch his master right in the mouth for that. I mean really. "Go stand in a club...wear these" "You're lucky I'm not REALLY mad or I'd have given you the saggy old-lady D-cups."

Weaksauce. Kids these days. Boobs.


I hate to get into this (oh, what the hell, I love it), but I have a couple of comments.

First, there's different types of punishments. Play punishments, which basically RP an excuse to do what people want to do anyway, and "real" punishments, where there is an intended lesson being taught.

Understand that the context of the later is one of lifestylers, where the participants don't view their actions as a "game". The dominant knows the submissive intimately (their mind, I mean), and tailors the punishment to have a psychological effect, to drive the lesson home. Well, the good ones do, anyway.

And for the former, it doesn't need to be that clever or original for the participants to have a ton of fun.

What this guy was doing, dunno.

My last thought is, you might make a lousy slave, and probably an even more lousy Master, but you could probably consult.
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You are definitely slutty in the best possible definitions of the word. Dirty, hot, and a little scary, but in a good way. I'd like do awful things to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd snap me in two like a twig and leave me cross-eyed, dizzy and confused. I'm giving you a 9.8, tied for the top rating ever given. Almost off-the charts slutty. Shame on you and congratulations. -- Trout
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10-29-2007 16:43
Last comment: I should have started this thread on a Friday...
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You are definitely slutty in the best possible definitions of the word. Dirty, hot, and a little scary, but in a good way. I'd like do awful things to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd snap me in two like a twig and leave me cross-eyed, dizzy and confused. I'm giving you a 9.8, tied for the top rating ever given. Almost off-the charts slutty. Shame on you and congratulations. -- Trout
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10-29-2007 17:19
From: Hate Hastings
I hate to get into this (oh, what the hell, I love it), but I have a couple of comments.

First, there's different types of punishments. Play punishments, which basically RP an excuse to do what people want to do anyway, and "real" punishments, where there is an intended lesson being taught.

Understand that the context of the later is one of lifestylers, where the participants don't view their actions as a "game". The dominant knows the submissive intimately (their mind, I mean), and tailors the punishment to have a psychological effect, to drive the lesson home. Well, the good ones do, anyway.

And for the former, it doesn't need to be that clever or original for the participants to have a ton of fun.

What this guy was doing, dunno.

My last thought is, you might make a lousy slave, and probably an even more lousy Master, but you could probably consult.


Consultant? Hate - I like you. You just gave me my latest get rich in SL scheme. BDSM and Dom/Sub Consultant. I could even do couples counselling on the side. I could have a couch for the dom and a nice pillow for the Sub to kneel on. We could work through their problems over a nice cup of tea.

And I wouldn't be purposely lousy as a slave or a master. I just don't have the attention span. I honestly try to do a good job of RP'ing when I do it, but I just can't keep on task. I swear I have some kind of adult onset ADD. My mind wanders and the next thing I know, the whole RP has gone totally sideways and everyone is mad at me.
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10-29-2007 17:21
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Yes, I know, but she wasn't even doing it properly. She was clothed, she seemed to be on the verge of giggling, and seemed to keep making asides to the audience (oh poor me). I might have had a different opinion if she had at least been doing it right.


lol -

Victim: Oh Help! I'm being attacked!
Lexxi: Yawn
Victim: Ahh! He's hurting me!
Lexxi:...Sigh...
Victim: Oh My God! He's going to rape me!
Lexxi: SHUT UP! You're doing it all wrong!
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10-29-2007 17:47
From: Trout Recreant
lol -

Victim: Oh Help! I'm being attacked!
Lexxi: Yawn
Victim: Ahh! He's hurting me!
Lexxi:...Sigh...
Victim: Oh My God! He's going to rape me!
Lexxi: SHUT UP! You're doing it all wrong!

Lexxi: Your clothes . . *shakes head* a weird pink top and bottom? wear a skirt, a ripped skirt, and a ripped shirt . . dang it
Victim: NOOO (oh poor me, heh) NOOOO
Lexxi: STOP THE ASIDES!


Heh
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10-29-2007 17:56
From: Trout Recreant
Consultant? Hate - I like you. You just gave me my latest get rich in SL scheme. BDSM and Dom/Sub Consultant. I could even do couples counselling on the side. I could have a couch for the dom and a nice pillow for the Sub to kneel on. We could work through their problems over a nice cup of tea.

And I wouldn't be purposely lousy as a slave or a master. I just don't have the attention span. I honestly try to do a good job of RP'ing when I do it, but I just can't keep on task. I swear I have some kind of adult onset ADD. My mind wanders and the next thing I know, the whole RP has gone totally sideways and everyone is mad at me.


I tried following this post, I really did, but my mind started to wander.

I must have adult onset ADD or something. Hmm I wonder if anyone ever came up with that concept before?
Har Fairweather
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10-29-2007 19:24
For those concerned about consensual non-consensual sex in SL -
How to know when they're doing it right:

Victim: Oh please don't attack me!
Victim: Oh please don't attack!
Victim: Oh please don't!
Victim: Oh, please!
Victim: Oh!

This was a public service announcement for the overly concerned.
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10-29-2007 19:24
From: Hate Hastings
I hate to become defensive of the lifestyle, hobby, or whatever you want to call it, but I will say that it displeases me when I hear a feminist say that a woman can choose to do anything she wants, except willingly or even eagerly submit to a man.


You know what Hate? This is a very good point. Thank you. I guess the whole purpose of the feminist movement was to make it possible for a woman to have the freedom to choose whatever she wants for her own life - even if it is submitting to another person.

I was told once by a friend who is a submissive in RL that she is the one who actually has the "power" so to speak, because she is the one who chose the relationship. I didn't get it then either. :o

I don't know. Maybe it's because I was raised in a family of amazon warrior women types who taught me that the most important thing was for a woman to be independent, strong and self sufficient. I guess that's why the whole slave thing doesn't compute for me. The women in my family would die before being submissive to a man. So I guess I'm a product of my environment. *shrug*

So, I may not 'get it', but I don't have to. There are many ways to live and I respect the choices others make. :)
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Chav Paderborn
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10-30-2007 00:41
From: Hate Hastings
I will say that it displeases me when I hear a feminist say that a woman can choose to do anything she wants, except willingly or even eagerly submit to a man.


You keep a woman as a slave and you want to tell others how to do feminism right?

But anyway, most people in SL will either not mind public slaveplay or not say anything, because we're told there's no harm in it and no one wants to judge as much as Goreans judge others. Even I usually don't say anything, just I have an instant negative appraisal of those involved because "omgwtfbbq?" Course, I could myself be rp'ing at that point, in which case my "character" is duty-bound to say something. (What, I can't RP an abolitionist?)

I was in Gor just the other day for a while. They wanted to kick me out for not wearing enough clothes. LOL, hypocrisy!
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10-30-2007 00:50
From: Chav Paderborn
You keep a woman as a slave and you want to tell others how to do feminism right?


Hey, I just pointed out a contradition in the reasoning. I have no SL slave.
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You are definitely slutty in the best possible definitions of the word. Dirty, hot, and a little scary, but in a good way. I'd like do awful things to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd snap me in two like a twig and leave me cross-eyed, dizzy and confused. I'm giving you a 9.8, tied for the top rating ever given. Almost off-the charts slutty. Shame on you and congratulations. -- Trout
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10-30-2007 00:54
From: Hate Hastings
Hey, I just pointed out a contradition in the reasoning. I have no SL slave.


Oops, my bad.
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10-30-2007 01:17
From: Chav Paderborn
Oops, my bad.


Hey, only because I wouldn't be able to dedicate the time I feel she would deserve. :)
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You are definitely slutty in the best possible definitions of the word. Dirty, hot, and a little scary, but in a good way. I'd like do awful things to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd snap me in two like a twig and leave me cross-eyed, dizzy and confused. I'm giving you a 9.8, tied for the top rating ever given. Almost off-the charts slutty. Shame on you and congratulations. -- Trout
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10-30-2007 01:17
From: Trout Recreant
I'm already regretting asking this, but how can it be non-consensual in SL? All you have to do is leave. Take off the collar or shackles or ballgag or whatever you don't like, put on some clothes and tp out or log out. I was non-consensually orbitted and all I had to do was log off and relog back into my home location - no harm done.

Hmm I guess I mean overly non-consensual realistic as in I suspected the perpetrator was one who was like that in RL, like playing out a wife beating type rape or something similar, yes I guess the victim could just TP out any time, but I wouldn't enjoy observing it at all, and would have to leave or do something. I guess an IM to the victim would satisfy me they were happy with things. Sure rapeplay is fun, when it's dramatised and far fetched from reality. But if the victim is happy, then I should probably just STFU and leave them to it.

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"These are police cuffs, put them on and we will go RP a court scene folowed by sitting in a small cage for a few years with a bot called bubba" :)
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10-30-2007 01:27
Yet another friggin bdsm/gor thread rehashing the same old, same old. Tho I found amusement in one post. The woman who decided kneeling for a job interview was a good idea. If her 'owner' tells her that she has to kneel for job interviews, than her owner is an idiot. When dealing with the 'outside' world, you dont go flaunting your kinks if you expect to get ahead. McDonalds wouldnt hire this girl. Sometimes the control freaks go too far. Their inflexibility is a demonstration of their own weakness. Those who feel the need to be in control are a real pain in the ass to those of us who simply...ARE ;)
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10-30-2007 03:01
I am big on 'live and let live'.

However, I can not deny that sometimes SL roleplay can be a little annoying - in some circumstances.

The gripe I have is when people contact me about BUSINESS matters. For example, asking me to make something for them, or with enquiries about a product. In those circumstances, when they are speaking in IM to me, and only me, I find it really annoying if they are using third person subbie-speak or (far far worse) baby talk.

I am not being something-ist. I have absolutely nothing against people using SL to explore whatever aspects of themselves they wish to explore - good luck to them. But if they want someone to help them, then what logic is there in something like...

'Hewo Egyyfu. Me wont to buy a biggie wiggie castle from oo peeze. Can oo tell me if oo can make da castle all purty and pink for me? Me pay oo extra. Tank oo and cuggles'

And yes - that was a REAL IM I received. Once my son and I had stopped laughing, I just replied 'sorry, I can only undertake business with adults. I am sorry.' The 'child' replied 'Me is 47in mes real life. Me is 6 here. Would oo like me to ask my mummy to ask oo if oo can help me peez?'

Er, no.
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10-30-2007 04:01
Continuing roleplay in non-roleplay areas is fine. Just don't be surprised if, when coming to one of the (very much non-slave-owning) areas I'm involved in, the slaves are told they are free, encouraged to seek liberation and employment, and the slave owners are chastised and told their money is not welcome there. Gotta tolerate my roleplay, y'know.

Toleration of roleplay only goes so far, I don't care if it makes me the big bad wolf to say it.
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