RP In Areas Not Designated For That Sort of Thing...

I'm waiting for the response to this. Am I correct in recalling that someone in the forums stated they were raped on in SL also?

/me shakes head

If someone's lifestyle involved being a nudist, you'd still expect that person to get dressed to go shopping at ETD, it's simply polite and considerate towards others.

If that person went shopping in the nude in shops on the outskirts of a nude beach then it's "outsiders" who should be considerate and polite.

If I met someone in a BDSM themed area, I'd address that person properly for a BDSM setting. If I later ran into that same person at an infohub I'd use my normal "Hey-ies again, (name)" for that setting, anything different would - to me personally, everyone's different - be impolite to anyone else around. If it would happen to evolve into a BDSM relationship I'd still insist on acting to whatever "social norm" is appliable for a public place out of respect for the people there.

Much the same way you can verbally or emotionally pressure someone into doing something they don't really want.

Depending on how intense they experience or perceive the relationship they could end up feeling violated or hurt. Whether it happens in person, on the phone, or text online doesn't really make much of a difference.

(Although that's far from being on the same level as rape, but it can definitely be abusive behaviour)

It squicks me bigtime. I hate it when folk do that in my presence, and often wind up leaving rather than being around that sort of RP. But I'm also a big believer in tolerance, and so I figure it's at least in part my problem. So I don't say anything or give them a hard time about it. I just withdraw.

I do feel that there's an element of "dragging others into their own kink/scene" going on often, and that does bug me. But I also know that my rather strong aversion to the whole rping-women-as-slaves thing is to some degree my issue, and I try not to foist it on other residents unless asked what I think about it. :-7 Live and let live, you know? But since you asked..... I wish they'd stick to doing it in private.

Selfish Bastards

I agree with what you write, and edited my earlier post to clarify the situation. When in Rome... show a little respect for the Romans.

FREE THE SLAVES!!!

I friend, when she first discovered SL and encountered Gorean sims, put alot of energy into trying to organize an expedition to Ar with a ship load of pirates all for the purpose of "Freeing the slaves".

Until I explained to here that they were slaves only because they wanted to be, there was no way in SL for anyone to be enslaved except voluntarily.

Don't regret this question at all. What can appear to be non-consensual can still be consensual. Some people want to be abiused and humiliated, as I found to my cost when I tried to intervene in what looked to me like a heavily abusive situation.
And when you ask - after having been insulted vociferously by the damsel in distress and her abuser - why they can't keep this private, they inform you in outraged tones that the abuse and humiliation has to be public.
But this public? Yes, the more general the public the better.
What can you do, but retreat with hero cape between your legs, sighing and shaking your head.
It takes all sorts. And this is SL, right?

What I hate is when Goreans and other roleplayers believe they can impose their rules outside their roleplaying areas, and a lot of serious Goreans are similarly outraged.

Reminds me of when I was at a club and a man was there with boobs. Whenever someone asked why he informed them his Master was subjecting him to humiliation because he deserved it. At one point someone asked him "What kind of slave are you?" and his response was "A disgraceful slave, Sir."

I had to laugh but at the same time was disgusted. It just did not seem the place to me and I didn't appreciate being involved in their degrading roleplay.

LISTENING is involvement.

The big problem is that some real submissives get a certain level of satisfaction from the submission itself and may have a hard time getting away from damaging situations... It gets even worse when a sub submits to a dom/master that is just role-playing and has no clue about his/her responsibilities. It can get very ugly if the role player has an abusive and cruel streak, this situation can lead a lot of emotional and psychological damage.

.d

Hmmmm....so they can pretend they "are" their avatars. Why not pretend their IMs are in open chat? Frankly I'd just steer clear, but it seems, oh, never mind. Live and let live. I've actually become more comfortable with the fact that reason doesn't play the same role in SL as it does in RL.

Exactly.

ok - I'm trying not to laugh, Bradley. That's just sad. He did something to PO his master and his master made him go stand in a public place with boobs? OK - that's just sad and lame. That's the BEST his master could do? That's SO weak. Someone needs to punch his master right in the mouth for that. I mean really. "Go stand in a club...wear these" "You're lucky I'm not REALLY mad or I'd have given you the saggy old-lady D-cups."

Weaksauce. Kids these days. Boobs.

So now Reason is into RolePlay in SL? Maybe Logic is RPing something else too which explains why I'm so frequently befuddled by it all....


-Atashi

Honestly, I'm not convinced it does in RL very often, either, but it's certainly much more obvious and entertaining in SL.

Apparently that's exactly what happened. It was entertaining to hear all the comments as people were asking him what the deal was. I guess in SL it's really hard to come up with a creative way to humiliate someone.

I'm not even going to try. Honestly, I'm not. But I guarantee I could do WAY better than that. I'm offended at the general lack of effort this guy's master was displaying.

Edit: If someone told me I had to do something like that, I'd do it and then make a point of playing with them the entire time. I'm convinced I'd be the worst slave in the history of SL. I'm terrible with authority. I'd spend my entire time playing with my boobs and trying to convince the other slaves to sneak out and go stock car racing with me, or I'd try to organize a slave labor union or something. It would be just awful.

Ok now you made me spray my afternoon tea and my coworkers are wondering why I'm giggling and coughing at the same time

I hate to become defensive of the lifestyle, hobby, or whatever you want to call it, but I will say that it displeases me when I hear a feminist say that a woman can choose to do anything she wants, except willingly or even eagerly submit to a man.

It puts the feminist in a bit of contraction, IMHO. However, it is obviously your right to be annoyed by anything you want (even me, LOL).

Regardless of all that, thank you for the post (all of it, not just the quoted part).

There is a difference between RP'ing being violated and abused, and really being violated and abused. I still maintain that the girl was loving every second of it.

It's a kink, like any other. But like many others, it's difficult to understand if you don't share it.

Personally, I sort of enjoy it when folks in RP walk into non-themed places. But then I don't at all mind being invited into other people's kink

But I would not do it myself.

Most particularly I avoid doing D/S in non-themed areas. /me nods in the direction of those lifestylers who do D/S in a non-sexual way. It's a short nod because there must be fewer than 10 of you in SL. OK, I exaggerate, but the overwhelming majority of D/S players in SL are involved sexually. For these subs, the act of kneeling, particularly on leash with the master/mistress, has an undeniable sexual charge to it. So when I see this in, like, ETD, I grin to myself because I know the various tingles that just the act of being there must give them.

But personally, I don't like to involve innocent strangers in my own kink. I would feel like I'm immersing them, against their will, in my sex life. I worry about odd things. E.g, what if the woman behind the avatar standing next to me was raped yesterday? If she had been, she would never be in a sexually themed RP sim. I guess I feel I don't want to run the risk of dragging such a person into it at ETD.

I know some others feel the same way, having run into Gorean couples dressed and behaving non-themed at nightclubs.

The best is the Gorean masters who insist on calling every female they meet, "girl," regardless of where they are and who the person is.

I'm trying desperately to shake the imagery from my brain.

Exactly!

It's just a stock car. They race them in every town in America with a dirt track. Man. You city folks just don't know how to have fun.