Shut Your Eyes Rupert! That's a Nude in PG!

Hello Beavis!



Oh, and hello Butthead!

(there was the famous "nekkid a$$ on TV" scene....)

I agree with the idea that nude art does not belong in an easily-viewed place in a PG sim. If it is in a private house on such a sim, and the only way to see the art would be to enter the house or cam in, then I think that would be OK. But displayed so that a passerby can't help but see it? No.

Just as there are places in Sl for those who prefer to be around dragons, or tinies, or furries, or vampires, etc., the PG sims are places for those residents who are not comfortable with or otherwise do not choose to see nudity. Although those of you who have stated that more public nudity would be healthier may be correct, I do not think it is the place of residents to "correct" the preferences of other residents. To each his (or her) own--nude beaches for those who want 'em, and nudity-free zones for those who want 'em.

It's a big grid. Surely we can make room to be respectful to all preferences.

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp (T_T)

I could counter that with http://www.bbfc.org.uk/classification/c_pg.php

And that is the point. PG means different things in different countries.

LL should be specific.

I live on PG land I even have problems keeping it PG sometimes but I do have mature place I can go if I do. I bought the land for reason.
Unfortunately PG means I can't take off my clothes to study a skin I am working on.
It means here is hoping no one in listening range is going to AR my friends if a friend tells
slightly suggestive joke.
And sadly it means no nude art but I rarely do nudes or graphically violent nude art that
I must display on my home lot, if I must I can put it on my blog if I want to share it publicly so it's no big deal for me.
One of my friends had problems last year too because his sculpted lady had nipples.
I personally think there is difference between art and porn personally but LL doesn't but
I got neighbors on PG land that have bdsm dungeon up in sky.
I never knew bdsm could be PG.
This is adult grid somethings depending on the owner of land even on PG land should be allowed, including bathing in nude, undressing to try on skins and Nude artwork in the privacy of your skybox behind closed prim doors.
LL obviously only enforces their rules when it effects their own events. if no one files a AR LL has no clue it seems.

Your comments are interesting. It's good to hear your "take" on stuff. As FD suggests, do you think we may be going just a leeeetle bit "over the top" if we cant display a nipple? undress? say a mildly suggestive joke? This type of moral stigmatizing reminds me of other places on teh real globe. Lucky I can read and write, eh, gentlemen?
I'll stick to mature land; I'll just shake my head over the foibles of man and woman. Oh, and I'll tweak my left and right n**p*e to honour that fact that somewhere someone still finds the human form - male or female - offensive in any way.

So what you're saying is that tolerance only runs one way. Other people should be tolerant of your "art" but you should not be tolerant of their beliefs? Having morals and a moral code is "wrong", but "anything" goes is perfectly acceptable in your book? That seems to be the entire tone of your post.

TY Chris

No Chris, you know that is NOT what I am saying. I don't care what other people do. I have never been a person who forbids or bans anyone. I encourage people to experiment and decide for themselvs. I agree with Canada's prime minister of teh 1960's and 70's, Pierre Trudeau, who declared (for Canada at least) that what people do in the sanctuary of their homes and behind closed doors is up to them. I also think that good fences make good neighbours and I (for one) dont poke around in other people's land. Sl can mimic the real world in many many ways; I have never complained about anyone except one griefer who was a neo nazi and who attacked my partner because he had taken a "Jewish" name in Sl. Other than that, you can be my guest to do just abou what you like. If you want offense and somethign to wanna make a change about, try the CNN, CBS, ABC, BBC, CBC, ABS news tonight.

So, if you want to dress as a rabbit, marry a goblin, become a child again, follow a Neko code, climb every mountain and follow every rainbow, well, be my guest.

Pushing your morals or moral code on others is wrong: Granted, things like murder and rape should be morally wrong everywhere.

When it comes to "PG' Vs. "M" however .... It should be up to the individual: If your neighbor finds the display of non-sexually explicit nude art work in a public area to be PG .... Leave them alone and don't visit their home (or their part of the Sim for that matter).

There is absolutely nothing at all wrong about the display of non-sexually explicit nude art work in a public or semi-public place: There is something wrong with those who see such a thing as something to be denounced or prohibited however - The thought that such a display is somehow sexual or will otherwise corrupt people is an absurd mental issue that needs to be looked into.

Hey I'm all for being intolerant of people imposing their moral code on others.

No one should have the right to tell a SL landowner they have to let others to walk around naked on their land ..

But if someone wants to be nude on their own PG land (Not having sex, Just being Nude) .. Or displaying nude artwork .. Why does that have an instant Sexual Connotation?


Maybe "PG" should be changed to "G"?


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An interesting aside is that LL refuses to define HOW NUDE equals officially Nude.

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And finally .. I think that PG is G and M is actually PG if you read the knowledge base ..

Since supposedly public displays of a sexual nature are verboten in ALL of Second Life.

give me a break... denounced? juast follow the rules put down by LL, this isnt canada or any other government, it is SL. yet anyone who preffers PG rules should allow M rules simply because its what some want? I avoid M land for the reason Im a child av. I only go to M land that I ask the owner about. Its called common curtesy, ever hear of it? I dont care if you want to masterbate on your lawn as long as its on M land.

Thank you Solar. In my real world, I am a member of an arts committee that has a clear mandate to follow and I have NEVER seen/been aproached/or had comments by members of the public with the same "rules" that teh artworks, performances, displays, literary contributions, or any other artistic endeavour must follow here in PG land. I am not opposing a modulated and carefully balanced set of tenets - Sexually explicit art displayed where real children can observe it is not suitable for real 5 year olds. (though I vote in agreement for ALL displays where it can be safely monitored). A lovely nude painting by Modigliani or the intensity of a Rodin bronze are joys we must all share. A naked man is lovely, a nude woman is a gift to the universe - celebrate them.

I moved to PG land personally because my rl boyfriend has lot in PG land and I wanted to be near him.
We both really have little to no interest in SL being around hardcore gore or sexual nor want to be around mature content.
Personally I don't care either way but it is nice to live in place where PG activities are
expected yet also I just didn't realize when I bought land how hard it would be to restrict
things like humor, not being able to just take off my clothes when working on skins or outfits.
When I was living in Mature land it had its own host of issues and problems too.
I can still go to Mature land, do mature activities if I want but issue with Mature land
is often it seems like certain pre-mature idiotic types showing up too with all their dangly bits and porn to share with whomever they run into.
I personally wouldn't tell others what to do, some things because of my own reality wiring I don't truly get and bothered by some things at times but I have also lived in Mature communities where residents there got into arguments over certain content, and the arguments got pretty ridiculous being that it was mature land.
Yet saying all that I have been places most wouldn't want to go.
And I have done hardcore very violent nude cartoon artwork sometimes but its not going to be something i rezz on my land but there are places if I want to show it can and fully aware that some of my gory stuff is very disturbing and I don't go sharing it just anywhere, I don't need too, it is too personal.
House of avatars being beheaded doesn't belong on PG land yet those places have their
place in fantasies on mature land and if I get the craving to go torment my avatar I know where to find them but I haven't found yet place to drown myself like in The Sims. LOL.
Yet I get why some want PG land be it for similar reasons my boyfriend wants it or
because they don't want exposed to mature content due to trauma, religious or other
personally reasons.
Yet I still think human body can be work of Art and not porn but LL doesn't think that way.
They have their reasons for not wanting nude sculptures and art, I don't know exactly why but it is nice to have places too that are PG personally.

Toy, with all respect, I am not posting about masturbation, I am referring to artwork. Yes, SOME people are happy with adult nudity - obviously YOU are not. But frankly, Toy, YOU are a minority. Child avatars are rare - I have only met three or four since I have been in sl. And, yes, I avoid them just like they avoid me BUT I would not impose my feelings or sensitivities regarding them on any of them or anyone else if they were my neighbours. There are many people who don't feel imposed upon by neighbours (or general trolling around sl) who display artworks with T&A or wanna do their building bare-naked. I am curious as to WHY a painting or sculpture should be deemed offesive because it represents a nipple. Is breast-feeding in public also offensive? Uhoh, don't go there, Jig!

How about you give the rest of the user base a break and just pack it in?

The 'rules' put down by Linden Lab are vague and do not clearly define a single thing: Therefore it should be left to the individual user to decide what they want to do on their own parcel: Don't like it? Don't log in.

Have a Child AV? Avoid parcels where people have decided to use their own 'guidelines' as to what 'PG' means.

"Common courtesy" also means respecting other people's views and NOT pushing such a narrow minded view as your own on others.

Try actually READING a person's post next time, hmm? Nowhere in my post does it mention SEXUAL acts OR images: IF you have a problem with NON-SEXUAL images ... seek help to clear your mind of this need to associate a nude image with sex.

maybe this is the awnser.

pls dont be facetious, I know what your talking about but why are you trying to force your ideas on people who like PG for being PG? And whats the next step, someone calling something purely obscene, art? The M far out numbers why must some try to make it all M land, give me a break.... this comes up every few months, nothing is gonna change. I personally dont give a rats a** what people do but there's a reaason why LL made PG, think about it.

simple buy a island, make it the way you want it. Saying I have a problem may be true in your mind but, why cant you, among others accept PG? Your having the narrow views, wanting it all be the same, you simply cant accept that everyone doesnt agree. Discuss it with LL. Im through trying to help people see that there are different views.

Wow.

Toy, please read Solar's response carefully - and mine. We totally agree that people should have an opportunity to express themselves. Obviously, we will never agree on certain points. I think teh issue could well be that the majority of global users of SL who are adults (and, let's face it, we are ALL adults) balk or reject or ignore the PG label As you are well-aware, it means "Parental Guidance". By removing it we dont license "porn", we simply accept that adults should be allowed to exercise mature judgement. Much land is being used as mature so it is not as if porn or nudity is banned throughout sl. - maybe teh pg label and its rules are out-moded? I am NOT being facetious when I say that you follow a different role-play life style from me in sl. I follow my actual life-style for teh most part; for all I know I am probably considered immoral or amoral by many people. I accept perhaps you wish to explore the inner-child; I freely admit I dont understand it. I think many of us are scared to ask about it because we end up in a shouting match and it appears politically incorrect to even ask questions about child avatars. But that is a question for another time. An your choice of avatar has nothing to do with art depicting nudes - My mum took me to the Tate Gallery in a push chair when I was 3 so I was exposed to that genre at an early age and I certainly dont think art should be "licensed". Surely you agree with me on that principle?

I have already asked, what is PG? It varies from country to country. In the UK, nudity (as long as there is no sexual meaning to it) IS PG according to the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) Rules. Thus by LL's OWN description, Nude art IS PG for UK residents.

see, http://www.bbfc.org.uk/classification/c_pg.php

YOUR definition of PG seems to be U in bbfc terms.

There will probably never be a definitive answer on this. However, it is *generally* accepted that simple nudity is not pornographic, even for children. Inappropriate sometimes? Perhaps, but if no sexual activity is portrayed, it in generally OK in the U.S. There is a long body of legal cases and most have defended the artist and cases against artists have usually resulted in acquittal and dismissal. This is not *always* the case, depending on the exact portrayal.

With that said, LL is still allowed to make their own rules and call it as they see fit. The biggest problem is that they do not give a solid definition on it, but make comments that are subjective.

Quoted for truth.

like most LL rules, vague as hell.