What are your opinions on displaying Art in PG that are Nudes or portray the human form in a sensuous and sensitive way?
Should art collectors like myself be free to hang Nudes, graphic portrayals and genre paintings on our land in in PG SL (or even mature residential areas) - must we protect innocent over 18 year olds (even child avatars - who arent children really) from artwork here but that surrounds them in various formats in teh real world?
Should we be prevented from hanging certain works of art on PG sims? If so, are there implications for reality? How would you react if you could see posed nudes on my walls in my reality from a street? Is it the same reaction as if you flew passed my home in teh sl world?
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Jig Chippewa
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11-29-2008 10:09
the reason for PG lands is for those adults that prefer it over M, it has nothing to do with age of the av. Keep it PG pls.
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11-29-2008 10:21
I like the difference of PG and Mature,
but then enough ppls violate the PG, COZ ya know the shock value just never gets old ... But then I am torn, such as the case of Burning Life, last yr? of the very nice nude "sculpture" that got censored and seemed wrg to do. _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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11-29-2008 11:11
the reason for PG lands is for those adults that prefer it over M, it has nothing to do with age of the av. Keep it PG pls. But what is teh opinion on displaying art that depicts teh nude human form? I am interested because I support many artists in sl by buying their art - over 500 artworks so far. I buy art in real. Displaying art in sl is espcially interesting because it has a bearing on real galleries and the display of graphic arts. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-29-2008 11:15
Buy some Mature land and try find a more interesting topic to talk about.
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11-29-2008 11:18
Buy some Mature land and try find a more interesting topic to talk about. Yes Sir! eerr... ma'am. I wonder if you may be a teacher at a certain boarding school in UK that I ran away from on a regular basis 12 years ago? That is what she would comment in my offerings.  _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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11-29-2008 11:39
Hey if its legal* to be topless in public as long as there is no lewd connotation ..
Then you should be able to be topless in PG areas in SL as long as you do not hint at teh cybors. *(in much of the US I guess according to the SC anyhow) |
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11-29-2008 11:53
This gives *some* info about this topic:
http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2008/06/lls-5th-birthda.html "I went to the SL5B celebration the other day and witnessed Artfox Daviau's wooden sculpture of a lady, sans breasts in order to comply with the rules of the exhibition. Much to my surprise, only a few steps away was a sculpty rendering of the Statue of David, who was also missing his nipples; however, that was the only item missing! David was nekked as a jaybird - letting it all hang out - getting his freak on - swinging in the wind - au natural - in the kiddy park with an open raincoat - wearing his birthday suit - showing off his pingpong set - the man was butt-naked! Worst of all - this statue was being openly displayed on PG-rated land!!" _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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11-29-2008 11:56
This gives *some* info about this topic: http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2008/06/lls-5th-birthda.html "I went to the SL5B celebration the other day and witnessed Artfox Daviau's wooden sculpture of a lady, sans breasts in order to comply with the rules of the exhibition. Much to my surprise, only a few steps away was a sculpty rendering of the Statue of David, who was also missing his nipples; however, that was the only item missing! David was nekked as a jaybird - letting it all hang out - getting his freak on - swinging in the wind - au natural - in the kiddy park with an open raincoat - wearing his birthday suit - showing off his pingpong set - the man was butt-naked! Worst of all - this statue was being openly displayed on PG-rated land!!" Well at least you couldn't see David's nipples. |
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11-29-2008 12:01
Well at least you couldn't see David's nipples. _____________________
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11-29-2008 12:02
Strictly speaking you should not be seen naked in PG sims. In addition, the forums are PG and if someone is selling a shape or skin, they should cover the 'bits'.
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11-29-2008 12:03
I'm not prudish about nudity but PG regions, which seem to be less numerous than mature ones, are designated for less explicit content. So I'd say find a mature region for your display.
One thing I often wonder about regarding PG areas is the position relating to streaming music. Presumably people shouldn't stream music channels with lots of 'effing and blinding' or disturbing song lyrics in PG. _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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11-29-2008 12:27
Strictly speaking you should not be seen naked in PG sims. In addition, the forums are PG and if someone is selling a shape or skin, they should cover the 'bits'. As Suezanne says, buy some mature land if you want to show nudes. I have mature land. I am curious about the sensitivity to a painting or art work of a human form. I am genuinely interested as to why the human form should be deemed inappropriate for display. I would treat an explanation with respect since we ar eentitled to our beliefs. If the forums are "PG" rated what are the criteria for the ratings? Obviously only a relative handful of people use the forums - surely we can be trusted? If artists, critics, collectors and public don't ask questions like this, we don't grow as a community. Why would Michelangelo's "David" be considered offensive if I put it on display in my PG house? It's on public display in reality. Or why would so many sl artists whose work I buy also be considered offensive enough to be banned on certain sections? Are nudes by definition "sexual" in nature, even if teh artist intends only to portray the human figure and its connotative beauty? People dont have to answer a thread they feel is boring; their point is redundant. I am just curious about an issue I was considering in my real world for an artwork and thought I would use it as a springboard. _____________________
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Kira Cuddihy
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11-29-2008 12:36
It doesn't bother me one bit. In pg keep it in good taste, in mature do as you wish. I don't have to look at it if I don't want too. It's the same as changing the channel. After all we were born that way weren't we, unless of course something has changed since I came into this world.
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11-29-2008 12:40
But what is teh opinion on displaying art that depicts teh nude human form? I am interested because I support many artists in sl by buying their art - over 500 artworks so far. I buy art in real. Displaying art in sl is espcially interesting because it has a bearing on real galleries and the display of graphic arts. I wish only to keep PG land strictly PG land. There's overwhelmingly more M land than PG. If you find you must stare at the nude art do so on M land. There's no need to make PG land be the same as M. _____________________
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11-29-2008 12:50
I wonder if I belong on PG land at all. (^_^)y
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11-29-2008 13:04
I wonder if I belong on PG land at all. (^_^)y Prolly not. _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-29-2008 13:18
I have mature land. I am curious about the sensitivity to a painting or art work of a human form. I am genuinely interested as to why the human form should be deemed inappropriate for display. I would treat an explanation with respect since we ar eentitled to our beliefs. If the forums are "PG" rated what are the criteria for the ratings? Obviously only a relative handful of people use the forums - surely we can be trusted? If artists, critics, collectors and public don't ask questions like this, we don't grow as a community. Why would Michelangelo's "David" be considered offensive if I put it on display in my PG house? It's on public display in reality. Or why would so many sl artists whose work I buy also be considered offensive enough to be banned on certain sections? Are nudes by definition "sexual" in nature, even if teh artist intends only to portray the human figure and its connotative beauty? People dont have to answer a thread they feel is boring; their point is redundant. I am just curious about an issue I was considering in my real world for an artwork and thought I would use it as a springboard. Personally, I think we need a lot more nudity in public in order to counter so many people being ashamed of their bodies and/or always attaching a sexual connotation with a nude body. _____________________
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Kira Cuddihy
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11-29-2008 13:31
Because, unfortunately, many of us Americans are still ruled by our puritan origins - <sniped> /me nods her head. Burn that National Geographic and arrest all women feeding their babies in public. Just let them scream and cry. (kept that one pure but you get the idea) _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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11-29-2008 13:37
Because, unfortunately, many of us Americans are still ruled by our puritan origins - and those fools had really unhealthy views about their own bodies. Also, quite a few other countries hold similar (or even stricter) views. Hell, search the web and you'll find that there is not really a definitive answer on what is really PG and what is not -- it is totally subjective. LL has some stuff in the TOS, but not much is concrete. I think that LL would mostly call it based on 1) how many people complained and 2) how popular the offender was. Personally, I think we need a lot more nudity in public in order to counter so many people being ashamed of their bodies and/or always attaching a sexual connotation with a nude body. I think you have hit the nail on the head there LittleMe. I am not American but have lived and worked on the continent and its associated instilled puritan views are quite disconcerting to anyone brought up with a more liberal attitude to nudity, sex and opinions. In real I have depictions of nudes on my walls and I dont hide them from any visitor. I encourage freedom of expression as much as possible. In terms of sl and PG ratings, even in the care and delicacy in which we type and edit our thoughts on forum responses here in sl there is evidence of fear of offense being taken or reports being made about oneself. I think the forum may "scare off" many people who wish to avoid being "formulated on a pin". _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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11-29-2008 14:08
Because, unfortunately, many of us Americans are still ruled by our puritan origins - Which is absolutely hilarious since the puritans didn't even maintain their monopoly on NEW ENGLAND culture for all that long. They really made up such a small portion of the settlers of the colonies overall its laughable we constantly go back to them. Yet .. we never seem bring up the fact that Georgia was used partly as a penal colony. Score for American "History" Propaganda influencing American culture. |
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11-29-2008 14:13
Which is absolutely hilarious since the puritans didn't even maintain their monopoly on NEW ENGLAND culture for all that long. They really made up such a small portion of the settlers of the colonies overall its laughable we constantly go back to them. Yet .. we never seem bring up the fact that Georgia was used partly as a penal colony. Score for American "History" Propaganda influencing American culture. Whoa, huh huh, she just said "penal". _____________________
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11-29-2008 14:16
Aren't you asking "can I display nudes in areas where nudes are forbidden?" in which case the answer is surely obvious.
I personally wouldn't be bothered if there was no PG land at all, but since it's there, and there is plenty of mature land around, I don't see any reason or need not to respect the sensibilities of those for whom it is intended. |
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11-29-2008 14:17
They may not have made up a large proportion of the settlers, however their influence has been tremendous.
As has been already stated, nudes as art are shown in public in most of Europe, on prime time television in the UK, etc. In effect, they are considered PG, as they are purely to show the beauty of the human body in artistic representation and are not for sexual purposes. In the US well, this article says it all... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07163/793289-42.stm |
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11-29-2008 14:18
Whoa, huh huh, she just said "penal". Yeah yeah. she said "penal" heheheHehehe ne. |