griefer rant

(waves to Tegg)

I do apologize. I should have obfuscated that. I will do so if the situation ever occurs again. You see, it was the first time in my life i was called that. I got called another classic UK-type name as well. the "t" word. I thought i was at the movies. I was disturbed, yet entertained at the same time.

Some greifers are kids. playing on the grid where they do not belong. Other greifers are against LL because of something that may have happened. Other griefers are your competition if you have a business. Some griefers also will come directly after a security firm has offered you service and you turned them down. So they send in the goons to create a sense of insecurity prompting you to pay for their service. The policing system on SL blows. But can you blame some of them? you payed $1600 for a region and runs great. for 1 month . then update comes and now the region performs worse than a mainland region with 40 users.
Submit tickets and get long periods of times with no answers. then your business is tossed out the door because everyone leaves. the lag is unbearable. . Hundreds of dollars spent and flushed down the drain .. wouldnt you feel like driving your truck thru all the data centers? Frustration and severe financial loss and no answers.. PRESTO! A GREIFER IS BORN!. Lol not that i am one but see how it ends up when people so severely pissed they won't take it lying down .. I know of some grefiers lately passing out copy bot to people doing their best to create severe financial problems and havoc for designers and builders among the grid.

For the most part people are good . untill you hurt them in some way then they lash out..

For every reaction there is an equal and oposite reaction.

thats just my 2 cents..

(i have edited and omitted some bad words as i was offending the wrong people - Court)


have you ever met a griefer in person?

They are amazingly pathetic. You know those engineer types that never get up off their desk, eat flat foods that can be pushed under their closed door, sitting in the dark with atiny halogen light on? Take the talent away, and leave the lonely masturbator at that desk, probably in their parent's house, and you have the griefer.

A griefer likes to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble, however some are so pathetic that they look for an excuse to justify it. Most griefers use scripts written by someone else--they aren't talented enough to come up with the griefing themselves. Often, theyll use "spell" scripts written by the wizard & warlock types in here, but they have no clue even where to start.

There are a few truly intelligent, truly antisocial types that can write malicious code from scratch, but theyre not typically griefers. Theyre not going to waste their time in SL doing this. Theyre too smart, so theyre busy writing worms for botnets and making money, albeit illegally. Griefers dont know how to make money because they spend all their time looking for ways to make life hard for others.

however, in the end, their life is more difficult. If someone grieved my land, i can get a rollback and move on. They have deeper problems, problems that cause them to sit there in their crusty underpants, full of spite because...not sure why, assuming they were beat up a lot in school, or their parents didnt give them enough love. Or maybe just for being dicks.

A griefer's intellect:

"I wasn't griefing, I was griefing a griefer, you f------ c---"

Yes, that was a response I got from a griefer who tried causing sh-- at my friends land. Why? Because he was a sh--ty DJ and couldnt play there again. Im still trying to figure out his logic, but did figure out his location by the colorful dialect.

Griefers dont scare me. They are (#^@%$). really. What good are they? None. Thats why they grief. Theyre trying to get attention in the only way they know how.

Working in network security, i have seen some nasty stuff. I'm currently amassing a dataset of IP addresses in a botnet that is thousands of nodes strong. Hijacked computers all over the world. As messed up as it is, I am impressed by the sheer brilliant code. We caught the code and have thus canceled the botnet, but impressive nonetheless. Griefers aren't capable of this. Griefers can rez particles. Wow.

another example:

"this working link is to a copy of the newest version of Cpybot courtesy of Dissention. We are releasing this in protest of Linen Labs continued ineptitude and overall bad decisions...from object, owner: Cymithia Orenberg"

what the hell????? LSL stays open so we can enjoy it. Same reasons you can write malicious software with JavaScript, Ruby, Python, PHP, C#, VBscript, etc. To blame this openness as a flaw just enforces the fact that the griefer is nothing more than a talentless (%@#$%). If the griefer left a message like "haha gotcha!", it would be another story of just some punk being the punk that punks are, but using LSL as an excuse to cause shit is pointless, unproductive and ultimately backfiring only to the griefer as they are the ones wasting their time.

In the end, i think griefers are jealous and envious, and thats why they do it. Theyre jealous because they couldnt come up with an idea, suchs as, say, makign a lot of money doing SL real estate, so they grief Anshe Chung instead What does she do? Probably logs off, then gets in her Mercedes. Im sure she thought twice about SL real estate after that griefing incident? Doubt it. I bet her and her friends had a good laugh over it at an expensive dinner.
Or in the other case, a guy in SL is a (%@$!*) DJ so he griefs the place so no one else can DJ. remedies for these 2 situations: get good in Business like Anshe did. Or, on a more casual situation, learn to DJ. They can both benefit you better than dropping self-rezzing particle boxes.

An even better situation: *Help fix something thats broken*, if you really think its broken, instead of bitching about it. Get a job at LL if it affects you so emotionally. Or better yet, realize that so much of the technology in SL is Open Source, so do what the talented programmers do: learn to program and help each other out! You'll get more respect than you will by showing people (who don't like you anyways) that you know how to make a particle.

I know this rant is subject to much opinion that probably doesn't agree with my own, but i felt the need to write it anyways. Thanks.

Umm, sorry this is Resident Answers, if you feel the absolute need a question try elsewhere.........
When we do get a General Forum as well I wonder if people will still jump on others for asking questions in a non-question forum.

well i am not a griefer, though i have been ared as such by a few tards. from what i gather that may be mentioned in answer to a general rant such as ur own.

THEY (griefers) did it for the lulz!

wtf is lulz? Well reading your rant could cause certain "griefers" to curl up in the fetal postion and laugh until their tummies hurt and they think that they are seconds away from death!

beacuse of your "butthurt" (general maudlin, whiny LONG rant while pretending not to be bothered by griefers as such and lookin for a zillion ways to insult them and belittle them because YOU WERE HURT by them

(EPIC LULZ?)

if your rant was designed to show us all how insignificant griefers are to you the result (FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!)

everybody "causin trouble on your friends land" is not a griefer. no beed to wine and wet ur pants cause some one yaps smack at ya. or turn rat fink snitch and hope the g-team will save ya. I mean have YOU kissed a griefer today. be nce to em
they'll laff less at ya!

Blah Blah Blah Bagglegaggle!

well i am not a griefer, though i have been ared as such by a few tards. from what i gather that may be mentioned in answer to a general rant such as ur own.

THEY (griefers) did it for the lulz!

wtf is lulz? Well reading your rant could cause certain "griefers" to curl up in the fetal postion and laugh until their tummies hurt and they think that they are seconds away from death!

beacuse of your "butthurt" (general maudlin, whiny LONG rant while pretending not to be bothered by griefers as such and lookin for a zillion ways to insult them and belittle them because YOU WERE HURT by them

(EPIC LULZ?)

if your rant was designed to show us all how insignificant griefers are to you the result (FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!)

everybody "causin trouble on your friends land" is not a griefer. no beed to wine and wet ur pants cause some one yaps smack at ya. or turn rat fink snitch and hope the g-team will save ya. I mean have YOU kissed a griefer today. be nce to em
they'll laff less at ya!

LULZ! (^_^) ... 4 or 7? There really was a /cake/. (^_^)y

Dude, is there really a reason for quoteing the long rant by the OP instead of just saying in response to OP ----
I find the waste of having to go through that long rant again, as annoying as the concept of griefers themselves....

At least I understood the OP's post

I have been griefed on several occasions. I don't think I would label the griefer as a specific type or age or cultural roots. I am not even sure if some of them are aware they are griefing. I am more concerned with the people who are NOT labelled as "griefers" who have a particularly nasty frame of mind and attitude - facist opinions and simplistic attitudes are just as dangerous in SL as a griefer's antics.
By the way did you (gentle reader) notice that most of the people posting on this thread are born pre-2007. We had to deal with many griefers in the past.

has anyone ever REALLY suffered GRIEF from the actions of others in sl? other that bruised ego?

Yes.

There have been evenings where I was unable to use SL at all due to replicating attacks sweeping around the edges of my mainland area. In a few cases I missed delivering on paying commitments as a result, so yes, there was a bit of anger, annoyance and griefage going on. (The target of the griefing attacks in those cases seemed to be LL, I was just an innocent bystander)

In the last year or so LL has gotten much MUCH better at slowing/stoping them when they crop up fortunately. Until this week, they've seemed pretty rare.

has anyone ever REALLY suffered GRIEF from the actions of others in sl? other that bruised ego?

Yes.

There have been evenings where I was unable to use SL at all due to replicating attacks sweeping around the edges of my mainland area. In a few cases I missed delivering on paying commitments as a result, so yes, there was a bit of anger, annoyance and griefage going on. (The target of the griefing attacks in those cases seemed to be LL, I was just an innocent bystander)

In the last year or so LL has gotten much MUCH better at slowing/stoping them when they crop up fortunately. Until this week, they've seemed pretty rare.

But the idiots who band together to punish LL or just see if they can break parts of the grid for their own sense of achievement are the ones that impact the most - you never see them, you can't mute them or report them, you just have to put up with a world of lag and outages. They don't care about anything except being seen to be a smart scripter.

One step LL should take is to immediately ban the groups they belong to - break up the networks, move them on. Most of them will give up as they are just hangers-on. The rest, the central core, should then be all the easier for LL to deal with.

However, it is certainly possible to identify a hacked client by a profile of characteristics and prevent these griefers from accessing the grid. If this were done, I would not be surprised if 80% of the griefing in Second Life disappeared almost overnight.

that's not true. it's possible to spoof your mac address a zillion different ways in all of five minutes and use LINDEN LAB'S client to acces the grid after being permabanned (or more precisely IP banned). no one needs to "hack" the client. The LONGEST part of those five minutes is rebooting ur cable modem.

There are several ways in which a person can be banned:
* The account can be forbidden from logging in (the griefers just get a new account and keep going).
* The account can be deleted (same problem as above)
* The hardware hash that describes the machine being used for the connection can be banned (easily spoofed)
* The MAC address (the unique identifier assigned to every networking device) can be banned (easily spoofed)
* The IP address from which the account normally connects can be banned (again, easily spoofed).

HOWEVER, despite all this, the sequence and timing of the protocols used when one of these hacked clients connects is as distinctive as a fingerprint, and clearly identifies it. No one feature of the hacked client can alter this connection fingerprint significantly enough to completely nullify this method of identification. This goes beyond the MAC address, IP address or hardware hash presented by the hacked client and/or proxy server to the Linden Lab servers.

Getting a reliable algorithm to sift this out is possible, but difficult.