griefer rant

(i have edited and omitted some bad words as i was offending the wrong people - Court)


have you ever met a griefer in person?

They are amazingly pathetic. You know those engineer types that never get up off their desk, eat flat foods that can be pushed under their closed door, sitting in the dark with atiny halogen light on? Take the talent away, and leave the lonely masturbator at that desk, probably in their parent's house, and you have the griefer.

A griefer likes to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble, however some are so pathetic that they look for an excuse to justify it. Most griefers use scripts written by someone else--they aren't talented enough to come up with the griefing themselves. Often, theyll use "spell" scripts written by the wizard & warlock types in here, but they have no clue even where to start.

There are a few truly intelligent, truly antisocial types that can write malicious code from scratch, but theyre not typically griefers. Theyre not going to waste their time in SL doing this. Theyre too smart, so theyre busy writing worms for botnets and making money, albeit illegally. Griefers dont know how to make money because they spend all their time looking for ways to make life hard for others.

however, in the end, their life is more difficult. If someone grieved my land, i can get a rollback and move on. They have deeper problems, problems that cause them to sit there in their crusty underpants, full of spite because...not sure why, assuming they were beat up a lot in school, or their parents didnt give them enough love. Or maybe just for being dicks.

A griefer's intellect:

"I wasn't griefing, I was griefing a griefer, you f------ c---"

Yes, that was a response I got from a griefer who tried causing sh-- at my friends land. Why? Because he was a sh--ty DJ and couldnt play there again. Im still trying to figure out his logic, but did figure out his location by the colorful dialect.

Griefers dont scare me. They are (#^@%$). really. What good are they? None. Thats why they grief. Theyre trying to get attention in the only way they know how.

Working in network security, i have seen some nasty stuff. I'm currently amassing a dataset of IP addresses in a botnet that is thousands of nodes strong. Hijacked computers all over the world. As messed up as it is, I am impressed by the sheer brilliant code. We caught the code and have thus canceled the botnet, but impressive nonetheless. Griefers aren't capable of this. Griefers can rez particles. Wow.

another example:

"this working link is to a copy of the newest version of Cpybot courtesy of Dissention. We are releasing this in protest of Linen Labs continued ineptitude and overall bad decisions...from object, owner: Cymithia Orenberg"

what the hell????? LSL stays open so we can enjoy it. Same reasons you can write malicious software with JavaScript, Ruby, Python, PHP, C#, VBscript, etc. To blame this openness as a flaw just enforces the fact that the griefer is nothing more than a talentless (%@#$%). If the griefer left a message like "haha gotcha!", it would be another story of just some punk being the punk that punks are, but using LSL as an excuse to cause shit is pointless, unproductive and ultimately backfiring only to the griefer as they are the ones wasting their time.

In the end, i think griefers are jealous and envious, and thats why they do it. Theyre jealous because they couldnt come up with an idea, suchs as, say, makign a lot of money doing SL real estate, so they grief Anshe Chung instead What does she do? Probably logs off, then gets in her Mercedes. Im sure she thought twice about SL real estate after that griefing incident? Doubt it. I bet her and her friends had a good laugh over it at an expensive dinner.
Or in the other case, a guy in SL is a (%@$!*) DJ so he griefs the place so no one else can DJ. remedies for these 2 situations: get good in Business like Anshe did. Or, on a more casual situation, learn to DJ. They can both benefit you better than dropping self-rezzing particle boxes.

An even better situation: *Help fix something thats broken*, if you really think its broken, instead of bitching about it. Get a job at LL if it affects you so emotionally. Or better yet, realize that so much of the technology in SL is Open Source, so do what the talented programmers do: learn to program and help each other out! You'll get more respect than you will by showing people (who don't like you anyways) that you know how to make a particle.

I know this rant is subject to much opinion that probably doesn't agree with my own, but i felt the need to write it anyways. Thanks.

Hello - thankfully I have never been griefed. Let me invite you over to the Whine thread- not 'cause you're whining - but because it has become a hot bed of rants taken with a grain of salt - it lets off steam, everyone makes fun- you join in poking fun and in the end you feel better. Nope- nothing gets RESOLVED - hehe - but it won't here either and you will still feel miserable. So come read the whine thread and feel free to join us in a little glass of Whine

- Seriously though- sorry it happened- damned griefers -

And the question was?

Here ya go.. lol

Hi... (^_^) ... Nice to meet ... (^_^)y

Please edit for language.

*Blushes* My bad. Didn't read the opening line.

/me slinks off to get more caffeine

Yes, this board is

im on my 5th cup, as it might be noticeable on the above rant

Ive met a griefer in person. In this part of thye world, theyre usually at that awkward age between 18 & 21 when you become an adult, but are too young to drink. Admittedly, that can cause some extreme frustration.

But ive never been griefed myself, both ofthe above incidents happened at land belonging to freinds. The worst grief i ever got was a server screwup that resulted in a rollback that lost 2 days of work. Probably worse than any griefing. haha

Now i'll probably get griefed.

/me Shakes her head, This was so unnecessary!

"I wasn't griefing, I was griefing a griefer, you ******* ****!"

*tisk* Not all griefers are basement dwellers, least they cry,
some are well to do w/ inet rage issues

THANK YOU!

Wait, I mean.. yeah, you are probably right.

Please vote for:

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3558

To draw more attention to fixing one of the annoying exploits used by this latest griefing attack.


There will always be a few who lash out destructively and for the most random of reasons.

"WHY?" doesn't matter.

Next week it will be someone else with a different agenda. Then it will be someone griefing in protest of the griefers..... etc.

All that matters is fixing the exploits they use to cause disruption.

I have been griefed on several occasions. I don't think I would label the griefer as a specific type or age or cultural roots. I am not even sure if some of them are aware they are griefing. I am more concerned with the people who are NOT labelled as "griefers" who have a particularly nasty frame of mind and attitude - facist opinions and simplistic attitudes are just as dangerous in SL as a griefer's antics.
By the way did you (gentle reader) notice that most of the people posting on this thread are born pre-2007. We had to deal with many griefers in the past.

My dad was a sailor in the United States Navy.

Circa world war two.

Were he alive today, his parental guidance with regard to forum civility would be colorful and blunt.

But I do agree, it would be recommended!

i admit its hard to even define a griefer. I suppose i locked them all into the Idiot category. I do see a difference between the person who notices exploits, and the person who uses them. The person who notices exploits and demonstrates them in a humorous, yet painfully noticeable way is important, if not necessary, to have present in a network like this. Its the ones that use these tools they create on innocent people. Forcing someone to lose a couple hours of time is enough to throw them off the grid completely with a loss of interest.

I'm almost 2 myself! And never was directly griefed. But help friends clean up all the crap afterwards, and perhaps a griefer ended up getting what s/he wanted after all huh? And honestly, was afraid of getting ripped on with a post like this. Thanks for allowing me to be a bit of a nuisance

I do apologize. I should have obfuscated that. I will do so if the situation ever occurs again. You see, it was the first time in my life i was called that. I got called another classic UK-type name as well. the "t" word. I thought i was at the movies. I was disturbed, yet entertained at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Griefing

Reasons for griefing

There are as many motivations for griefing as there are griefers, but common causes are:

* Emotional immaturity and/or instability
* Adolescent rebellion against authority. A desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt
* Sociopathic behavior
* Boredom. Some griefers feel that they want something to do, and if they're not interested in participating in a constructive manner, they will generate their "fun" by antagonizing other

As too the griefing, I have not been griefed unles it was during that period when i was so new I wouldn't have recognize dit ... uhm, what does it feel like?

The way I see things with the above in mind, is I cam eto SL out of curiosity, I stayed because of the wonderful people and environment.

If griefing is a problem here, I had much more problems on internet gaming societies with people using cheats and hacks to get ahead and harrass lesser levelled players just because they could.

The fact that there is no outside scoring system ends a lot of that. But you will always find people who want ot disrupt orderly fin, because they fele powerful by doing it. These rants just serve it inspire their deriliction.

Yes I agree it is very inconvenient to be at a sponsored event having fun and sudenly someone is griefing and causing havoc. I am just lucky enough that while several place I go have ad griefers, it was never when I was there..


Be well, and enjoy each other

They want to be programmers, and think they can be, but see no need to actually work for anyone because they are kewl.

The same people who speak slang at job interviews for big corps where homeboy lingo does not cut it, but it is kewl and unfair.

Truth is, you can easily find attack software to obliterate anyone if you simply look for it, and someone actually wrote it already. Or defense software to obliterate an attacker, which someone also already wrote. And they are in fact using parts of that coding.

Griefers are children. Yeah, hit me kid and see what happens. Grow up and get a life, you are gonna need one to pay the thing people call "bills".

(edit : not aimed at the OP)

Posts like this are candy to griefer types. Regardless of how clever what you say may be... it only proves to them they succeeded in annoying you, making them feel victorious.

Clearly not the impression you wanted to leave them with.

But they are not annoying me, I actually think it is funny. I don't think I am so clever, I simply said what I was thinking. They can feel victorious, I will instead make more more money and do their performance evaluations.

That's just the way it is. ; )

Umm, sorry this is Resident Answers, if you feel the absolute need a question try elsewhere.........
When we do get a General Forum as well I wonder if people will still jump on others for asking questions in a non-question forum.

(waves to Tegg)

Griefers amuse me.

I take it as this: Gee! I'm nothing but a bunch of pixels. Lil' Skippy here thinks he's a man by annoying me. Grow some balls, Skippy, be a man, do some REAL Griefing in REAL Life. Give up playing childish video games & go out, try kicking someone's ass in Real Life.

It's plain & simple. Most griefers are total pussies in Real Life. Couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Odds are, most of us would smear their faces into the pavement like a skid mark on old underwear.

And THIS is why I find them amusing. I'd probably hurt 'em in Real Life.